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Report: Pacers offered to trade Roy Hibbert to Suns in exchange for Goran Dragic

Aug 10, 2014, 6:30 PM EDT

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A report surfaced in the early days of free agency that the Pacers were trying to trade for Suns guard Goran Dragic, but that’s all we heard from the traditionally reliable sources.

There was no mention of who Indiana was willing to part with, and the details remained undiscovered.

But with Dragic overseas preparing to play with the Slovenian national team in the FIBA World Cup that tips off later this month, we got some additional information on how far the Pacers were willing to go — and if the reports are to be believed, Roy Hibbert was part of the offer that was ultimately rejected by Phoenix.

From Ekipa24 (via HoopsHype):

Among other things, the Phoenix for Dragic offered Roy Hibbert and Chris Copeland . “And some money,” says Dragic, who he’s interest in Indiana, a transfer from probably nothing will : “According to my information, in Phoenix say they will not accept offer. “

As always, we recommend using extreme caution when taking into consideration reports from foreign websites that were translated into English. And of course, Hibbert’s contract is almost double that of Dragic’s, so other pieces would have needed to be included for a deal like this to take place.

But the short answer as to why Phoenix said no if in fact this was actually discussed is that Dragic is a better player, on a better contract.

Hibbert didn’t do the Pacers any favors in the second half of last season in terms of his trade value, when he struggled mightily and looked like a shell of the dominant player he was the season before.

As far as this particular trade offer, it’s worth noting that teams have conversations all the time involving a variety of assets, and those talks rarely get to the formal offer stage. But simply looking at the money owed to each player along with how they performed last season, it’s easy to see why the Suns were far less motivated to execute a trade like this.

  1. jvw1982 - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    Have the Suns stopped laughing yet?

    • 00maltliquor - Aug 10, 2014 at 9:18 PM

      I don’t even think they laughed. They hung the phone up thinking it was a crank call.

  2. mnsadsportsfan - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    Phoenix would be idiots to take that deal. Pacers will find the market for “softy” Hibbert is bleak.

    • 88heatnation - Aug 10, 2014 at 9:38 PM

      So do you think he lost his skill? Or was it a loss of focus? I don’t get it explain it to me

      • marsh025 - Aug 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

        There was never any skill to lose.
        Hibbert had a few good games against 6’8″ Miami heat centers and looked like Kareem due to the height advantage.
        When has he played good against other centers his height?
        The dude has problems walking and chewing gum at the same time.
        He picks himself off the floor more than the ball hits the floor.
        Kareem probably has resigned from coaching him by now as he’s seen that it’s a lost cause.

  3. montrealknowledge - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    I always thought Hibbert was not being used properly… But it seems like he wasn’t being used, because he is not very good. Such a disappointment.

  4. mungman69 - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    That trade can’t happen.

  5. csbanter - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    The Pacers have gone from the penthouse to basement too fast. George is out for year, Stephenson is in Charlotte, Hibbert is on the block with no interest in return. I see why they are going for it in Cleveland, things happen.

  6. antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    Remember how this guy was supposed to be the bane of the Miami Heat? It’s ironic that the team that finally beat Miami was one that executed small ball better than they did.

    My point is that size and rim protection is a little bit overrated, especially in today’s game. I’m saying that in regards to the team LeBron is building in Cleveland.

    • zoomy123 - Aug 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

      You’re taking this “you don’t need rim protection” way too far. The only way a team can survive without rim protection is if they have VERY strong perimeter defense. Miami did this with Bosh playing the 5. They knew they didn’t have a rim protector so they played a hyper-aggressive, attacking trap defense. And it makes sense: If you can’t defend the paint, don’t let people into the paint. However, you have to have the right personnel to pull this off, which Miami did in Chalmers, D-Wade, and LBJ. And as soon as D-Wade’s knees broke down their defense suffered tremendously.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

        Yeah, their defense suffered “tremendously” as they slipped from 9th in 2013 to 11th in 2014.

        No.

        There is more than one way to skin a cat. You don’t have to use Miami’s defensive style if you don’t have rim protection. A lot of teams don’t have rim protection and they aren’t anywhere near as aggressive as Miami’s pick and roll defense was.

        The Heat were beat by small ball threes in the Finals. Big teams could not beat Miami playing big. So I’m just not really that concerned about rim protection. If rebounding is locked down they should be fine.

      • zoomy123 - Aug 10, 2014 at 10:25 PM

        Did they win a title in 2013? Did they get crushed in 2014? Point proven.

        Name a championship contender with no protection. I’ll wait with baited breath…

        Miami didn’t just get beat by small ball 3’s have you looked at San Antonio’s points in the paint in that series?

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 11:14 PM

        The Heat, obviously. They had no rebounding and no rim protection and won two titles.

      • zoomy123 - Aug 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM

        Did you even read my comment? I already explained why the Heat could do that. I specifically said the only way you win with no rim protection is if you have a ridiculously good perimeter defense. Furthermore, Miami was able to win because LBJ is the best player since MJ and made the Heat so efficient that they broke the NBA record for offensive efficiency in back-to-back years.

        Now, let’s try this again: Name a championship contender with no rim protection. I’ll wait with baited breath…

      • antistratfordian - Aug 11, 2014 at 12:05 AM

        You keep asking a question you already answered. LeBron proved that you don’t need rim protection and you don’t even need rebounding to win titles – you can, in fact, win multiple titles without both.

        And the Heat didn’t even have a “ridiculously” good perimeter defense. Last year their defense wasn’t even in the top 10 and not only did they make it to the Finals, but they were the best team in the Finals after two games in San Antonio.

        With LeBron on your team your defense is going to be championship caliber. It’s going to be at least enough to win a title or two.

      • zoomy123 - Aug 11, 2014 at 1:41 AM

        I keep asking the question in order to prove a point: Unless you have LBJ on your team AND very strong perimeter defense AND record breaking offensive efficiency, you need some form of rim protection. And even then Miami had to go out and get Birdman in 2013.

        Furthermore, you’re proving my point because Miami got smashed in the 2014 Finals. Why? Because of defense. Once D-Wade lost his knees, their perimeter defense wasn’t good enough to make up for their lack of rim protection. And I’ve already explained on another article why Miami was NOT a championship contending team. Teams that don’t rank in the top 10 in defensive rating almost never win a championship; it’s happened 3x in the last 37 years.

        Not only that, but you can’t seriously be arguing that Miami was the better team after 2 Finals games. That’s what we call a small sample size. Plus, Miami needed LBJ to put up 35 and 10, San Antonio to miss free throws, and a last second shot from Bosh in order to win. Then they got demolished by the largest point differential in Finals history.

        What happened to LBJ guaranteeing championship caliber defense? You yourself said Miami wasn’t even in the top 10 in defensive rating, and it’s a fact that championship defense requires you to be in the top 10. You’re contradicting yourself. San Antonio had the second most points per game in NBA Finals history. Where was that championship caliber defense you keep talking about?

        I know it’s hard to do this, but you’re completely overrating LBJ’s defense. Everybody saw how much he slipped on defense this year. That’s why he only made All-Defensive Second team, that’s why his defensive rating was 105 (the highest it’s ever been) and that’s why his defensive win shares last year was 3.7 (the lowest it’s been since his rookie season). What, do you think LBJ is some kind of defensive superman? Stop it.

        I’m starting to think you don’t know that much about basketball and defense. Individual defense is considerably less important than team defense. Why? Defensive schemes can be used to cover up individual players’ defensive deficiencies, while individual defense can’t. LBJ can’t cover all 5 positions simultaneously, lol. Defensive schemes are the reason why you can have a front court with Bogut + Lee and a backcourt with Klay + Curry and still have a top 4 defense. Defensive schemes are the reason you can have a front court with Jefferson + McBob and still have a top 6 defense.

        I’m telling you this now, and the stats prove it: If Cleveland doesn’t get rim protection and their defense is not in the top 10 they will get smashed in the paint by OKC, LAC, or SAS just like Miami got smashed. I would bet money on that.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 11, 2014 at 2:49 AM

        “Unless you have LBJ on your team AND very strong perimeter defense AND record breaking offensive efficiency, you need some form of rim protection.”

        Ha. You went from needing a “ridiculously good” perimeter defense to a “very strong” perimeter defense. Well go back a few months and the Heat had neither and yet there they were dominating the first two games of the Finals. If Miami met any other team in the West they would’ve won in the Finals with no rim protection, no rebounding and with nothing “ridiculously good” about their perimeter defense, which was their weakest link.

        So what you’re saying just isn’t true, as the Heat have proven. And every team has “some form” of rim protection, so that isn’t an issue either.

        Any other questions?

  7. ravenswhat - Aug 10, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    Wait, you mean to tell me the Suns don’t want a guy who put up 0 points and 0 rebounds in a pivotal playoff series? What a laughable trade proposal. Larry must be losing it.

    • 88heatnation - Aug 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

      My question to you is if it was’nt a knee injury or age this past playoffs. What do you think would prevent Hibbert from being as effective as he was before? 13pts 8rbs and 3blks

  8. 88heatnation - Aug 10, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    To be honest you people just forget everything. Do you honestly believe in your heart that it wasn’t a mental lapse during these past playoffs, what you think he just out of a sudden lost his skill set like Thunderstruck. The potential DPOY a year ago, the Kryptonite for the Heat past few years, a All-Star. Well the point is a 7ft Rim protecting Center in this league is not easy to find. However, a above average PG is (ex. Jrue Holiday, Kyle Lowry). So a new scenary and locker room presence would definetly change that. A lineup consisting Hibbert, Bledsoe, Tucker would be a defensive force in the league say what you want.

  9. clevelandrox - Aug 10, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    yeah, hate to agree with heatnation but the suns shouldve jumped all on that, he got his heart broke by one of his teammates and was never the same. he checked out and the longer he is in the same enviroment the longer itll take him to recover, besides dont Phx have enough point guards?…

    • sonnysuave - Aug 11, 2014 at 10:32 AM

      The last thing anyone would want on their team, is someone who mentally checks out & produces ZERO stats. Things are going to happen in life… and you’re not going to invest MILLIONS on someone, who can’t be mentally strong.

  10. acdc84 - Aug 11, 2014 at 1:28 AM

    “the Phoenix for Dragic offered Roy Hibbert and Chris Copeland . “And some money,” says Dragic, who he’s interest in Indiana, a transfer from probably nothing will”

    Are those not two of the worst attempts at coherent sentences ever????

  11. mungman69 - Aug 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM

    Yes, how many NBA titles will the Cavs win?
    A–2?
    B–1?
    C–0?
    D–4?
    E–3?

    • sonnysuave - Aug 11, 2014 at 10:28 AM

      Are those negative numbers? If so… all answers are correct!

  12. mungman69 - Aug 13, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Roy Hibbert can help some teams but who would trade one of their stars for him?

  13. klinickal - Sep 10, 2014 at 6:55 AM

    The trade should have been Hill for Isaiah Thomas. Not as defensive as Lance but he would replace Stephenson’s offensive numbers and more.

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