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Report: Ray Allen will forego retirement to play in NBA next season

Aug 9, 2014, 8:00 PM EST

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Ray Allen seemed content with the totality of his basketball career if in fact he decided that it was time for it to come to a close, and appeared more ready to justify a decision to hang ‘em up than he did ready to choose a new team to play with next season.

But there’s a finality to retirement that makes it tough for players to come to those terms, especially if they’re physically healthy enough to contribute meaningful minutes on an NBA roster.

Allen can still play, and has reportedly decided to do so for at least one more season.

From Chris Broussard of ESPN.com:

Ray Allen has told people close to him that he will play in the NBA next season instead of retiring, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

While the Cleveland Cavaliers are the frontrunner for Allen, the source said the 10-time All-Star has not completely decided where he will play. Cleveland is the favorite due to the return of LeBron James, with whom Allen played with on the Miami Heat the past two seasons. …

At 39 years old, Allen’s goal is to win a third NBA championship so he will only consider playing for title contenders. It is not clear what other clubs are on Allen’s radar, but nearly every contender would be interested in adding him to its roster.

The Cavaliers would indeed seem to be the obvious choice, considering the team’s ability to contend for a title with LeBron (and soon Kevin Love) already in place. Mike Miller and James Jones have also signed in Cleveland for next season, making the familiarity factor even stronger should Allen decide that Cleveland is his best option.

There will likely be other suitors, however, and Allen will undoubtedly weigh all of his options carefully before committing to a destination to play his 19th NBA season.

Allen averaged a career-low 9.6 points per game with the Heat last season, and shot just 37.5 percent from three-point distance — the worst in any of his past four seasons.

But there’s no questioning his clutch credentials, and Allen is a consummate professional who would be a fantastic addition to any team with championship aspirations.

  1. zoomy123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    If Allen wants to contend for a championship, then there are only 4 teams to consider: Spurs, Thunder, Clippers or Bulls. Cleveland has defensive problems stopping it from being a contender. However, if Cleveland can manage to put together a package for Mazgov, then I don’t see how he doesn’t team up with LBJ.

    • antistratfordian - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:17 PM

      Cleveland doesn’t have defensive problems anymore. They have two All-Defensive players in LeBron and Varejao and Love’s metrics has him an above-average defender. And if Marion signs on… self explanatory. According to Neil Paine and Nate Silver this Cleveland team could be LeBron’s best team yet – they’re projected to win 65 games giving them a 60% chance to win the title.

      Allen is probably going to Cleveland.

      • ecnuob51 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM

        Yea I think loves defense is underrated. He’s guarding players like Aldridge, Duncan and griffin every night while trying to carry an offense with no help.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

        The Wolves were an average defensive team. The way people talk about Love you’d think the Wolves were terrible defensively. And they were average despite starting Love with Pek – both below average rim protectors – so they were making up for that somewhere else. According to Kevin Pelton, Love was one of those guys making up for that by playing above-average defense overall.

      • zoomy123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:55 PM

        This is a joke right? Varejao made 1 All-Defensive Second team 4 years ago and now he’s an All-Defensive player? No. Plus, Varejao has played an average of 36.5 games over the last 4 seasons. Of the 10 seasons he’s been in the league he’s only played more than 65 games in a season 3 times. Varejao is a lock to miss at least 20% of the season almost every year. Not only that, but he’s never been considered a rim protector. Of the bottom 5 worst rim protectors in the NBA, 2 of them are on the Cavs: Love + TT. Of players who faced at least 5 shot attempts at the rim Love gave up 57.5% shooting and TT gave up 59% shooting. These guys will be eaten alive by KD, Russ, Duncan, Parker, Griffin, Rose, etc. It will be like MJ dropping a ball through a hoop that’s 3 feet off the ground.

        Furthermore, I don’t know where you’re getting your information but Love is not an above average defender. He’s an excellent post defender (only giving up .71 points per possession) but that’s where the good news stops. His lack of athleticism and mobility severely limits his defensive effectiveness: 1) He can’t follow through on multiple defensive rotations; 2) He becomes a turnstile while defending the P&R; 3) He’s a terrible help defender; 4) He’s a terrible rim protector.

        As for those projections, you’re clearly taking things out of context. I read that 538 article as well and it specifically pointed out that there could be myriad of reasons why the Cavs never win 65 games: injury (Varejao is that you?), these models tend to overestimate the RPM of players since their usage rate will inevitably decline, chemistry issues, etc.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 2:16 AM

        Well Varejao has made more All-Defensive teams than Chris Bosh – who has made none – but Bosh is all of a sudden a great defender now. It’s not easy to make an All-Defensive team, guy. Most players never do. And I would not be surprised if Varejao made another one within the next 2 seasons. Believe it or not, Varejao does not have the reputation in the league of being a bad defender.

        And now you’re saying Love is, “an excellent post defender”? That’s funny. Hilarious actually.

        My information about Love’s defense comes from Kevin Pelton:

        ”Numbers don’t support Love as a defensive liability.

        Even the biggest Love skeptic would concede his prowess as a scorer and rebounder — right before bringing up the defensive end. Here’s the thing: It’s hard to find statistical support for the widespread notion that Love is a defensive turnstile…

        …add it up and ESPN’s real plus-minus shows Love as an above-average defensive player, even for a big man. (Post players rate better on defense in plus-minus metrics as compared to perimeter players.) And despite playing Love with another poor rim protector in center Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota was average defensively last season.”

        I think the Cavs could very well win 65 games. That team should be insanely good.

      • tomtravis76 - Aug 9, 2014 at 11:07 PM

        Chris Bosh was a top ten NBA player before joining Miami. Kevin Love might get a shot at rings,but the development of his game will decline being a role player in Lebrons offense.

        After watching how LeBron has manipulated the media and basketball fans, how can anyone outside of the Cavs fanbase even slightly pull for him to succeed?

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 2:18 AM

        Kevin Love should be better playing with LeBron, in my opinion. Love is far better than Chris Bosh ever was.

        And nost people are pulling for LeBron to succeed. Where have you been the past few weeks, under a rock? I’ve even seen Bulls fans and Celtics fans say they’re rooting for Cleveland to win a ring! It’s the feel good story of the year.

      • urodaddy07 - Aug 10, 2014 at 1:11 AM

        Neither of you (anti and Zoomy) knows how the defence for the Cavs will look, so we will all have to wait and see. What we can say now is you have to be a little concerned that they may have a few issues, not the least of which is finding chemistry defensively, which is not so easy. I personally don’t think they will be great on defence. Will they suck? I don”t know. I expect they will get better as the year goes on

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 2:19 AM

        No, I do know how it will look because LeBron is on that team so it won’t look bad.

        Besides, like I said, the Cavs didn’t have a terrible defense before LeBron showed up, so they’re definitely not going to have a terrible defense now.

      • miamboy - Aug 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM

        funny how everyone jumps ship the one year out of the last three they don’t win a title!LEBRON JAMES needs to change his twitter name to #ungreatful #ringchaser #witless!he did the same thing to Miami fans as he did to Cleveland fans!jumped ship when things got a little bad!he has NEVER said thank you to the fans ,coaching staff, and everyone else that got him two rings! he would still be known as #ringlessincleveland!

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:51 PM

        Didn’t Heat fans leave their team hanging when the going got tough in Game 6? Don’t be a hypocrite now – just let it be. He won you two rings and gave you 4 years where you could claim fan superiority over other fans because he was on your team – so you should be a little more grateful. He’s the one that had to do all the hard work, not you. All you had to do was show up and watch, and Heat fans barely even cared to do that.

      • turkbox420 - Aug 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM

        I love that Wade dunk over Varejao back in `09-10. Wade killed him.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM

        Yeah, that was an all-time cla.ssic. But that’s what happens when you prioritize defense – you get dunked on sometimes. Look at Wade getting posterized by Taj Gibson for the same reason. Wade and Varejao could’ve been like Bargnani and just stepped out of the way – but that’s not what defenders are supposed to do.

      • tontoepstein - Aug 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM

        Since when is Varejao an “All-Defensive Player.” Earth to oblivious Cleveland Cavaliers bandwagon fan: he’s not. The head coaches have voted him to one All-Defensive team in his entire career, way back in 2009. And that’s it. Half the time last season, he was barely even trying to play defense. And James can’t guard five guys at once anymore.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 6:56 PM

        Since he made an All-Defensive team in 2010.

        Hey, that’s more All-Defensive selections than Chris Bosh who is supposed to be a good defender, right? Andy actually has a defensive reputation among coaches (ask George Karl). But you think it’s easy to make an All-Defensive team? It isn’t.

      • tontoepstein - Aug 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

        I should have read the comments before I posted. Looks like Zoomy beat me to it.

    • ecnuob51 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:31 PM

      Yea because the 4 teams on your list are perfect and have no flaws. Actually think Cleveland has less problems than the thunder and clippers. Ray Allen’s best option is Cleveland. He could get the most minutes there, play with someone he’s accustomed to and have the easiest road to the finals

      • 88heatnation - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:37 PM

        I agreed with you up until the most minutes

      • zoomy123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:51 PM

        Cleveland’s apparent defensive flaws are so bad that as they are currently constructed they will not win a championship or have a great probability of doing so. Defensive efficiency/rating is a great predictor of championship success, and if you’re outside the top 10 you almost never win (it’s happened 3x in 37 years), and Cleveland will almost certainly be outside the top 10. No team I mentioned has such a significant flaw. But like I said, if Cleveland gets Mozgov and Marion then they immediately become the prohibitive favorite.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

        @zoomy123

        “Cleveland’s apparent defensive flaws are so bad that as they are currently constructed they will not win a championship or have a great probability of doing so.”

        You are only saying that, and just saying it isn’t good enough. You cannot prove that because the available data does not indicate that the Cavs will be a bad defensive team. They weren’t even that bad last year when they didn’t have LeBron! They were as good defensively as Portland who won 54 games.

      • ecnuob51 - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:14 PM

        @88heatnation
        He won’t get more minutes on the spurs, bulls or clippers. Maybe the thunder but I don’t see him there.
        @zoomy
        You can’t say how bad they will be defensively until you actually see it. I can almost guarantee that their defense will be better than the clippers.

      • zoomy123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM

        @antistratfordian

        I’ve already responded to you previously, but I’ll do so again. First, Cleveland was not as good a defensive team as Portland. In terms of defensive rating the Cavs were ranked 19th and Portland was ranked 16th. In terms of defensive efficiency the Cavs were ranked 17th and Portland was ranked 16th. At first that sounds good, but then you realize that Portland had Robin Lopez who was a defensive stud. His advanced metrics put him on par with Hibbert and Noah. Take a look: http://hoopshabit.com/2014/04/20/nba-making-robin-lopezs-case-2014-defensive-team/ Cleveland has no player like Lopez.

        Furthermore, using Portland as an example is obviously not a good idea. Why? Because they got absolutely eviscerated by the Spurs in the WCSF. If you think being as good as Portland is gonna make the Cavs a championship contender, you should rethink that.

        Finally, the metrics show that winning a lot of games doesn’t matter, it’s how you win the games that matter. The 2005 and 2007 Phoenix Suns both won 60+ games but their defense was so terrible they could never break through. In fact, the mid-2000’s Suns are a perfect example of what I’m talking about. In ’05 they won 62 games and had a #1 offensive rating but a #17 defensive rating. In ’06, however, they dropped 8 wins off their total. Why? Because even though their defense moved up from 17th to 16th, they were so reliant on their offense that slipping from 1st to 2nd in offensive rating doomed them. And the cycle repeated itself. In ’07 they won 61 games and had a #1 offensive rating but a #13 defensive rating. But in ’08 they dropped 6 wins off their total. They only slipped from 1st to 2nd in offensive rating but slipped from 13th to 16th in defensive rating.

        The metrics show that having a high probability of winning a championship is predicted by 3 things: 1) Having a defensive efficiency/rating inside the top 10 (only 3 teams have won a championship ranked outside the top 10 in the last 37 years); 2) Have at least 1 superstar and 1 all-star caliber player who can create their own shot; and 3) Win at least 60+ games. But the most important metrics are defensive ranking and having a superstar + 1 other all-star because teams that win 60 games almost always have both.

        Over the past 26 years there have only been 5 teams that have not met 1 of these qualifications and still won: 1) the ’95 Rockets had a 12th ranked defensive rating; 2) the ’01 Lakers surprisingly had a 21st ranked defensive rating; 3) the ’94 Rockets only had 1 superstar; 4) the ’04 Pistons had no superstars; and 5) the 2014 Spurs had no superstars. You could include the 2011 Mavericks but Jason Terry fulfilled that all-star caliber role throughout the playoffs. So, if I wanted to be generous I would say that if you don’t either have a superstar + an all-star or a top 10 defensive rating then you’ve got a 6/26 chance, which = a 23% chance of winning a title if you become a conference champion.

        Moral of the story? Cleveland better get a top 10 defensive rating if they wanna win a championship. Miami showed how slipping from 9th in defensive rating to 11th was the difference between barely winning and title and getting demolished by the same team a year later.

    • genericcommenter - Aug 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM

      No.

      • zoomy123 - Aug 11, 2014 at 2:38 PM

        Yes. Yes. Yes. I wrote “yes” more times than you wrote “no,” therefore, I win.

  2. progress2011 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    What a ridiculous comment!

    The Cavs are gonna beat the Bulls EVERYTIME they play this year….ahahahahah!!!

    Spend a little time and review the rosters and productivity…..then throw in the Best Player in the League!

  3. jbeagles23 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    Talks about Cleveland’s defence then mentions the clippers as a contender.

    • 88heatnation - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

      *defense

    • zoomy123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM

      The Clippers had a 9th ranked defensive rating even while CP3, one of their best perimeter defenders, missed 20 games.

  4. csbanter - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    Allen is a chump. Playing with Lebron and possibly winning another title will do what for Allen. People will see Ray in the same light as they do today.

    • antistratfordian - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:07 PM

      Can never have too many rings. No one ever said, “man, this extra ring wasn’t worth it – I wish I had one less.”

  5. kingperk123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    500 hundred buks he goes to Cleveland

  6. canucks30 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Who needs defence when your scoring 100+ points every night and you’re raining 3’s from outside and dropping the hammer inside with the like of James, Love, Irving, Waiters, Marion, Miller, Allen, Thompson, Varejao, Jones, etc?

    • zoomy123 - Aug 9, 2014 at 11:00 PM

      I’m sorry, how many championships did the mid-2000’s Phoenix Suns win? Oh, thats right, NONE.

    • urodaddy07 - Aug 10, 2014 at 1:15 AM

      The canucks are a hockey team right?

  7. tampajoey - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Once the Cavs land Shawn Marion their defensive problems are over with. Shawn Marion will sign with the Cavs by the end of next week. With Kevin Love, this will be the best team Lebron has ever played on.

    • antistratfordian - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:13 PM

      The Cavs ranked 17th last year defensively. That’s not that bad. Why are people acting like the Cavs were a terrible defensive team last year? They weren’t.

      Add LeBron and their defense improves dramatically. They should be better defensively this year than Miami was last year. The rebounding should be the difference. If Miami could rebound they would’ve been a much better defensive team.

      There’s a correlation between Defensive Rebounding Rate and good defense and last year the Cavs were 6th in Defensive Rebounding Rate. They should be even better this year. Miami was 24th in that metric.

      • savvybynature - Aug 10, 2014 at 3:35 AM

        17th isn’t bad?
        That’s below league average, and that was playing mostly teams from a historically bad conference.
        It certainly isn’t good.

      • antistratfordian - Aug 10, 2014 at 4:26 AM

        The difference between “above average” and “below average” is an additional 0.7 points per 100 possessions.

        The Cavs defense wasn’t that bad. They weren’t the Knicks.

  8. cantonbound13 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Bandwagon Ray

  9. moseskkim - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Hed look good spacin the floor for KD and Westbrook

  10. jman2020 - Aug 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    Middle finger to all lebron fans how can you salute and respect what he’s doing dude is not a competitor at all if you gota play with 3 to 4 allstars just to get a ring dats not a leader or a sign of greatness

    • bkbell3 - Aug 9, 2014 at 11:03 PM

      magic,jabbar worthy and a host of great role players-3 hall of famers. Bird,the chief,mchale and dennis johnson=4 hall of famers. jorden,pippin and rodman and a host of shooters and great role players=3 hall of famers, not just all-stars. Bill russell’s teams had 5 hall of famers on them. Again hall of famers not just allstars. I could go on but by now you should get the point that you don’t win a chip alone and apparently a bunch of all time greats need multiple HALL OF FAMERS not just allstars to win their chips.smh

      • tomtravis76 - Aug 9, 2014 at 11:12 PM

        Take out deep bench names, how about that first 3peat in Chicago?

      • bkbell3 - Aug 9, 2014 at 11:20 PM

        Still never won till he got pippin and the first 3 chip teams had good role players also. But you are nit picking if you don’t get my over all point to the guy i responded to about lbj needing 3 or 4 alstars to win a chip. i think i made my point very clear with many examples and could of added many more.

  11. jman2020 - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Screw all lebron fans how can you salute and respect what he’s doing dude is not a competitor at all if you gota play with 3 to 4 allstars just to get a ring dats not a leader or a sign of greatness

  12. 88heatnation - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    Cavs will be a pretty talented deep team, Lebron will lead the way of course and Kyrie and Love are better scoring options in my opinion then a declining Wade and streaky CB. The key would be the bench, Marion and Thompson are long athletic and will defend well. Miller and possibly Ray would provide the scoring. Expect Waiters getting more run at the point with the second unit to create plays and provide that punch.

    • tontoepstein - Aug 10, 2014 at 1:28 PM

      Tristan Thompson can’t defend his own dog, let alone defend an NBA player. It’s astonishing to me that Rich Paul is coercing them to give Thompson a salary cap-crushing contract for at least twice of what he’s worth as a kind of LeBron Tax. “You want LeBron to stay? Then pay my other man.”

  13. themagicfanguy - Aug 9, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    @anti except that Love is NOT an above average defender by the metrics, and Marion was pretty bad defensively by all metrics. Why do you even bother to comment? You clearly don’t pay any attention outside of your favorite flavor of the month team.

  14. mungman69 - Aug 10, 2014 at 4:10 AM

    It’s almost impossible to project what the Cavs defense will end up looking like. Hell, we don’t even know their coach or what he will do.
    Gotta love this chatter

  15. turkbox420 - Aug 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    He`s going to play for the Thunder….KD needs some shooters and Ray misses playing for Seattle, oops OKC .

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