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Report: Knicks made (ridiculous) offer to trade for Kevin Love

Jul 25, 2014, 8:45 PM EDT

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Kevin Love will almost certainly be traded by the Timberwolves, if not sometime this summer than before the mid-season trade deadline for sure.

As the Cavaliers remain in the lead to land Love, both due to the package they can offer as well as Love’s willingness to re-up with a team that has LeBron James firmly in place, other teams are scrambling to make last-ditch pitches to try to get in on a sweepstakes to land one of the league’s premier offensive players.

The Bulls have made a push or two to get into the mix, and their offers were worth considering. The Knicks, however, lack the assets to be taken seriously when entering the conversation — which is something they apparently tried to do pretty recently.

From Chris Herring of the Wall Street Journal:

The Knicks recently attempted to make a trade for Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Love, offering forward Amar’e Stoudemire and his enormous expiring contract, second-year guard Tim Hardaway, Jr. and swingman Iman Shumpert, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

But the longshot offer, made in the past week, was declined and never stood much of a chance, particularly since the Timberwolves could potentially strike a richer deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers involving No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins. The Chicago Bulls, who have a bevy of intriguing assets to trade, have reportedly had conversations with Minnesota about Love in recent weeks since failing to sign Knicks star Carmelo Anthony in free agency. …

Team president Phil Jackson and the Knicks were likely aware that they had little to no chance of landing Love with their proposal, which might have been more of a formality since several teams have called Minnesota to gauge what it would take for the Timberwolves to pull the trigger. But knowing that Love has quietly expressed an interest in playing in New York, the Knicks went ahead with an offer.

Phil Jackson is aged, but he’s not yet delusional.

He knew that New York had little chance of appealing to the Timberwolves here, and nothing would make the Knicks more immediately ready to build some semblance of a decent team than to unload the uninsurable final year of Stoudemire’s deal in trade; getting an All-Star back in exchange for doing so is so far beyond the realm of possibility that Jackson likely couldn’t get through pitching such a proposal with a straight face.

New York’s market size will always have the Knicks at least initially in the conversation to land All-Stars like Love. But until the team can assemble some legitimate assets, most stars are going to pass up the bright lights for a more readily available winning situation.

  1. cantonb0und13 - Jul 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM


    • asimonetti88 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:19 PM

      It’s not the worst offer in all honesty. Obviously the Klay Thompson and Andrew Wiggins offers are better, but this isn’t that bad. Only issue is the cap space doesn’t really mean a whole lot. Free agents don’t want to sign in Minnesota or they would to be in this position to begin with.

      • casualcommenter - Jul 25, 2014 at 10:00 PM

        Amar’e is being paid more than Love and, given Amar’e’s decline due to injuries, he’s an inferior player than Love. Amar’e has negative trade value when he’s being traded in exchange for a fellow expiring contract.

        Shumpert is a good wing defender but inconsistent and limited on offense.
        Hardaway Jr. had a nice rookie season shooting the ball but was very poor defensively.

        It is the worst offer we’ve heard because it includes an attempt to dump Amar’e, which benefits the Knicks far more than the Wolves.

      • casualcommenter - Jul 25, 2014 at 10:03 PM

        Put another way, if I were the Timberwolves, I would rather have JUST Hardaway Jr and Shumpert in exchange for Love than those 2 plus Amar’e, who is getting paid $8 million more than Love this year.

        However, the Knicks can’t afford to take on Kevin Love without dumping Amar’e, which is why they were forced to include him in the deal. But again, unless Amar’e is being traded for a guy who has several years left on his deal, Amar’e has negative trade value because of how high his salary is. There aren’t many expiring contracts worth more than his.

      • 1friendofthepeople - Jul 26, 2014 at 2:50 AM

        Actually in all honesty it is a horrendous offer.

        I would take Bennett and a 1st–no Wiggins or Waiters–before I would take that deal.

        This is why that offer is horrendous:

        They could let Love walk for nothing and with that salary cap space go out this summer and sign guys comparable to Hardaway and Shumpert, because guys with their skill and upside are FREQUENTLY available every free agency. It would only be slightly better to make that trade with NY than let Love walk for nothing–which won’t happen because they have at least received some offers that are superior to ”slightly better than letting him walk”.

        If you look at from the T-Wolves’s point of view that offer is garbage.

      • fanofthegame1 - Jul 26, 2014 at 2:55 AM

        It was the best offer they could throw out there, which is pretty scary. They can’t even trade a pick for like 3-4 more years. Maybe add Early, Larkin. There is not much talent on the Knicks right now.

      • chicagosports2014 - Jul 26, 2014 at 6:31 AM

        We don’t want Love, just driving up the price. hahahahahehe

      • asimonetti88 - Jul 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM

        Yes obviously the Cavs and Warriors offers are better, which is why I noted it in my original comment. Looking at it on its own separate from the other offers, it is not that bad. $20 million of cap space would be quite attractive, if free agents wanted to go to Minnesota.

    • zerole00 - Jul 26, 2014 at 12:55 AM

      I wonder if PJ slapped Saunders before or after he made the offer.

    • duhwighthoward - Jul 27, 2014 at 12:59 PM

      This article stated that Love is willing to be traded to a team that has LeBron firmly in place.

      “Firmly in place?”

      He can “opt-out” at the end of the season.

      Since PBT writers write about this ten times a day, shouldn’t they know what they’re talking about?

  2. jzone954 - Jul 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Man this would’ve been a nice move for the Knicks

    • sumkat - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:06 PM

      it would of. Plus, once it was done, they could of traded Felton to the Clippers for Paul and Griffin! Then they’d be in good shape

      • oslo23 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:35 PM

        Felton? Read the news…

      • muhangis - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:42 PM

        It was still funny.

      • fanofthegame1 - Jul 26, 2014 at 2:58 AM

        No it wasn’t. Shumpert and Hardaway are way better than Felton.

  3. cantonb0und13 - Jul 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM


  4. mackcarrington - Jul 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    Everyone understands that Phil did this just to show New York fans that they are “making an effort”.
    I guess it’s like asking out the girl that’s out of your league. The worst that can happen is she says “no”.

    • goraidersgospurs - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM

      If you got the right size tool no girl is out of your league!!!

      • fanofthegame79 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:14 PM

        Unless one were to pull down their pants for every chick they meet, how would the girls know??

      • mackcarrington - Jul 25, 2014 at 10:26 PM

        Wear skinny jeans?

      • Lujah - Jul 26, 2014 at 10:21 PM

        “wear skinny jeans” I thought you were trying to pick up a Girl?

    • casualcommenter - Jul 25, 2014 at 10:08 PM

      Agreed. Jokes aside, there’s literally no harm in asking.

  5. RavenzGunnerz - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    So, the Knicks thought the Timberwolves were the Knicks?

  6. sumkat - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    I mean, I got half a pack of newports, an almost full Gatorade, a used copy of nba 2k14 for the ps4, half a jar of moon shine and 2 nestle crunch thin mint bars. Oh, and $46.25 in my pocket

    If you ask me, my package would have a better chance of landing Love

    • asimonetti88 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:18 PM

      Newports? Are you 12 years old?

      • tigglathewiggla6 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:31 PM

        Omar would hunt you down for saying that

      • jimeejohnson - Jul 26, 2014 at 5:20 AM

        A little judge mental lately.

      • asimonetti88 - Jul 28, 2014 at 10:45 AM

        Newports are what teenagers trying to look cool smoke.

  7. favrewillplay4ever - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Has a better shot of happening than a trade with the Cav’s that doesn’t include Wiggins.

    That’s Flip’s terms. Give us Wiggy or we will trade him to NY and make your path to the finals harder. If something like that happened, I can only imagine how mad Lebron would be at management:-)

    • fanofthegame1 - Jul 26, 2014 at 3:02 AM

      I agree on the premise that Flip isn’t building a dynasty in Cleveland, like most fans dream about. If Cavs are smart, they will trade Wiggins str8 up for Love and see if Flip bites.

  8. Mr. Wright 212 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Ridiculous how? A productive player whose contract gives you cap space, an emerging 20 PPG scorer and a perimeter defender is ridiculous?

    • 88heatnation - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:24 PM

      Sorry Mr. Wright but your Mr. Wrong right now.

      • jimeejohnson - Jul 26, 2014 at 5:23 AM

        Mr. Wrong.

    • oslo23 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:36 PM

      Cap space is good if you are a place free agents want to go. Unfortunately for the wolves, Minneapolis is not one of those places

      • go2themike - Jul 29, 2014 at 10:23 PM

        The Knick offer is no worse than the Bulls offer. Really, the only good deal is the Warrier deal if Klay Thompson is in. The Cav’s deal is a bunch of ?’s. I see why Minnesota is waiting for something better,

  9. jorgegnz787 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Honestly I know Flip is waiting for a good deal and taking his time but this is ridiculous. I would have traded before the season started to start building that chemistry I honestly think the deals he has on the table are fair enough to pull the trigger.

  10. sportsfan18 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    You’re 9th or 10th place in the weak Eastern conference folks…

    • jimeejohnson - Jul 26, 2014 at 5:25 AM

      Which means you the Knicks suck!

  11. ranoversquarells - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    Use tampons …

  12. ranoversquarells - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    Used tampons …

    • jimeejohnson - Jul 26, 2014 at 5:27 AM

      Orlando and Tampa.

  13. hartdaddy - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Hell, can

  14. muhangis - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    What about World Peace, Bargnani, & Shane Larkin to OKC for Durant and Westbrook?

  15. andreboy1 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    Instead they should just trade Iman Shumpert for Anthony Davis and then flip Hardaway Jr. for Lillard.

  16. adoombray - Jul 25, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    The last of the clout from the Lakers championships is with Phil. Dr. Buss is gone now, and his kid had nothing to do with it – but Phil did. That team will matter as long as he is there and his rings will attract talent as much as this Boston fan hates to admit it

    • jimeejohnson - Jul 26, 2014 at 5:30 AM

      Boston fans know what the rest of the league knows: Knicks don’t matter one bit.

  17. muhangis - Jul 25, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    They couldn’t trade Amare Stoudemire for even Earl Clark right now if they wanted.

  18. chrisswitzer2189 - Jul 26, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    Amare for hibbert?

    • fanofthegame1 - Jul 26, 2014 at 3:04 AM

      I would rather have Amare, his overpaid contract lasts only 1 year.

      • chrisswitzer2189 - Jul 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM

        Exactly because you know hibbert is gonna use his player option next year because if he didn’t at best he might get 50% of what he makes now on the open market

  19. realfootballfan - Jul 26, 2014 at 1:57 AM

    That’s considered a “huge” offer? Sounds like the Knicks were basically trying to unload the bad Stoudemire contract and get something back for it, lol.

    • fanofthegame1 - Jul 26, 2014 at 3:06 AM

      Huh? That was to afford Love. You don’t seriously think A’mare has any trade value? His expiring contract is not near worse deal in League, at least it is expiring. Rose hasn’t played in years.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 26, 2014 at 5:35 AM

        They could have done that with Bargnani. That they tried to peddle off Stoudemire, and didn’t even offer to pick up Kevin Martin, is laughable.

  20. wwwocls - Aug 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Jackson just succeeded in pissing off two guys on his team (Hardaway Jr. and Shumpert.)

  21. klinickal - Aug 11, 2014 at 5:39 AM

    Love how writers always go out of their way to prove Jackson’s genius. If they got Love that would be great but this trade would be no different than the Melo trade that brought an all star to NY but gave away their better players.

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