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Cavaliers officially sign Andrew Wiggins, putting 30-day hold on him being traded

Jul 24, 2014, 4:19 PM EDT

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If Kevin Love is being traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers, it’s not happening until late August at the earliest.

The Cleveland Cavaliers announced they have formally signed Andrew Wiggins to his rookie contract. This was expected to come this week.

This is a standard No. 1 pick rookie deal, which starts at $5.5 million. The Cavaliers (or whatever team has his rights) can offer an extension after his third season but it would not kick in until his fifth — he will play at least four years on rookie scale.

Under the terms of the Collective Bargaining agreement once a player signs his deal he cannot be traded for 30 days. That doesn’t mean the two sides cannot continue to talk or even come to an agreement, but nothing can be executed.

Wiggins has been at the heart of trade talks between the Cavaliers and Timberwolves that would send Love to Cleveland for a package that would include Wiggins, Anthony Bennett (or maybe Dion Waiters), at least one future first round pick and maybe some other pieces. The trade likely will be more involved than that, with the Cavaliers taking on Kevin Martin or J.J. Barea’s contract as well and sending expiring deals back to Minnesota. Working out the exact form of the deal has been part of the issue in why talks have dragged out.

Still, multiple reports have said the Cavaliers’ Wiggins offer is the best and leading offer right now, but the Cavaliers can use the next 30 days or longer to leverage a deal. The Chicago Bulls have tried to get in a deal and Minnesota President Flip Saunders has tried to leverage Klay Thompson out of Golden State, but to no avail. (Love has some leverage here as he doesn’t have to re-sign where he is traded, teams that cannot keep him wouldn’t give up as many quality assets to get Love.)

Wiggins told ProBasketballTalk at Summer League he’s just trying to keep his head down through all of this.

“I let my agent and my support system handle that, I just love playing the game of basketball and I know the NBA is a business…” Wiggins said. “ I just play basketball man wherever I go.”

The Cavaliers also signed second-round pick Joe Harris to a contract Thursday, a three-year, $2.3 million deal with the first two years fully guaranteed, reports Brian Windhorst of ESPN.

  1. sonnysuave - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    Hope this gives the Bulls a leg up on the KLove sweepstakes! Not likely tho. Flip is gonna take his sweet precious time & let everyone sweat.

    • jeffkx - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:34 PM

      It is only July. If I were Flip I’d wait my sweet time too.

      • 4thquartermagic - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM

        K-Love could get injured again at any moment.

      • jeffkx - Jul 24, 2014 at 7:17 PM

        Ha that’s actually a really good point.

  2. jeffkx - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    Does anyone else think the Cavs will get Love without giving up Wiggins but will have to take on Kevin Martin’s contract? Tristan, Dion + salary filler + two 1sts for Love and Martin?

    • kinggw - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:43 PM

      I believe without Wiggins, there is no deal for Love.

      • kopy - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM

        If the rumors are true, Chicago’s deal is better than anything the Cavs can offer without Wiggins.

      • casualcommenter - Jul 24, 2014 at 6:04 PM

        Agreed with kinggw.

        The Wolves have made it clear that they want players back, not just future draft picks, which is why the draft pick-rich Celtics have reportedly resigned themselves to not being able to get Love.

        The Cavaliers do have several players that other teams would want. However, LeBron and Kyrie are untouchable for obvious reasons, and Varejao is untouchable because he’s a favorite of LeBron and the team’s best option at center. So, at this point, you’re down to Wiggins, Bennett, Waiters, and Thompson. Thompson is nearing the end of his rookie deal and has developed into a solid but not elite player. Waiters is intriguing but inconsistent. Bennett is coming off a poor rookie year.

        So the only Cavs player that is both coveted and potentially available in a trade is Wiggins.

      • jeffkx - Jul 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

        I get that..but GSW won’t give Klay and I don’t think the Chicago offer is even real. I think it’s Flip leaking that to try and get Cleveland to offer Wiggins.

      • jeffkx - Jul 24, 2014 at 7:19 PM

        That’s the thing Kopy..I don;t think the Chicago offer is even real.

    • conradtwin1 - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM

      No way Jeff!! Wiggins is the centerpiece of the trade and Minnesota will demand him since he won’t cost alot of $$ and his upside is huge!! The rest is just matching up salaries as the Cavs will have to take back Martin or Barea for sure to clear cap room for Minny. The only issue for the CAvs is this really straps them cap wise but they are going for the title the next few years with LeBron they don’t care!!

      • jeffkx - Jul 24, 2014 at 7:16 PM

        I think in the end you’re right. But I would not be surprised if the Cavs get Love without Wiggins.

  3. ProBasketballPundit - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    Everybody acts like Wiggins is an unknown vs. Love who we all know is a superstar. Let me interject: Wiggins will be a defensive star in this league. His offense & shooting is the question. With Kyrie Irving being a defensive liability I would do everything I could to keep Wiggins. At the very least start the season with him and see what you have. I don’t think Kevin Love is going anywhere for now.

    • bougin89 - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:54 PM

      Couldn’t agree more.

      And to expand on what you said. Is there a better player to put alongside Lebron that can carry some of the defensive responsibilities Lebron currently has? Having another shutdown defensive 6’8 wing could mean a fresher Lebron come playoff time.

      Offensively Lebron and Kyrie are proven stars and will be able to carry the bulk of the load with some help from Wiggins as he improves, Tristan and some of the bench guys their adding like Mike Miller and Ray Allen(if that ends up happening).

    • antistratfordian - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      No. Wiggins is in fact an unknown.

      And Wiggins can only be so good defensively as a rookie. Teams are smart. They will confuse him and he’ll get lost and burned at times just like any other rookie. He has a lot of natural individual ability so he will make his fair share of defensive plays – but there’s more to defense than individual defense. Everyone needs to be on a string and it’s ridiculously easy for a rook to get out of position in the NBA.

      • sportsfan18 - Jul 24, 2014 at 6:08 PM

        tis true Anti

        good team defense, with all 5 guys on a string knowing what to do, knowing the opposition tendencies, where they were told to force him to go in film study etc…

        just one guy messing up for a second allows a player to breakdown the teams D on that possession and score.

        and there are players who simply don’t care to really play D. they are lazy and don’t give a flip about the concept of team D.

        The Spurs play great team D. 5 guys working together are much better than 5 strangers with great individual talent that aren’t working together.

        Rooks gotta learn

    • tcstunner - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM

      Wiggins is the literal definition of unknown. You know, considering he hasn’t played one minute in the NBA and nobody can predict with absolute certainty, how rookies are gonna pan out.

    • zoomy123 - Jul 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM

      No matter how many times people make the “defensive star” argument it will always be a terrible argument. If the best you can tell me is that Wiggins is a more athletic version of Tony Allen, then I’d give him up for K-Love in a heart beat.

      And while I understand the defense will be a major issue without Wiggins’ perimeter defense, it’s David Griffin’s job to find the right complementary pieces and David Blatt’s job to find the defensive schemes that work. I hear NYK has Shumpert on the trade block, go out and get him. He would be a perfect 3-and-D guy.

      • ProBasketballPundit - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:00 PM

        That’s a pretty good argument, but then you also have the issue of Love only giving you one guaranteed season. Or maybe two if they can work out a verbal agreement to opt-in. Wiggins gives Cleveland a guaranteed 4 seasons at a great price meaning the team can actually go after free agents. With Kyrie’s extension kicking in next year and LeBron & Love’s near-max deals the team would have zero flexibility. Personally, I’d rather just wait & see. Start the season and see how everybody meshes or doesn’t… maybe Anthony Bennett adds to his trade value by showing something early on and you can move him for a defensive center or power forward. Or maybe Wiggins struggles and it becomes clear that he’s a project so THEN you deal him to Minnesota. Kevin Love will still be there. Nobody wants to give up anything for one year of Love.

      • zoomy123 - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:13 PM

        No way Cleveland does the deal if K-Love doesn’t guarantee he’ll opt in for the last year of his contract.

        I subscribe to the Pat Riley school of “Put together the best team possible and don’t worry about the cap.” The name of the game is winning championships not creating cap flexibility. Furthermore, you also have to factor in the “win now” aspect of this. There has never been an NBA team that had an all-time great player and told them we will forego surrounding you with the talent needed to win a championship so we can build for the future. That’s insane. If you have an all-time great your future is NOW. You don’t waste the prime of an all-time great by surrounding him with unproven rookies.

        I’ve been saying the same thing since this debate started: There’s almost no situation in the NBA where potential talent/production outweighs actual talent/production. The last 25 years, with only 1 exception (Detroit in 2004), proves that the NBA is a superstar league. Unless something catastrophic happens, if you have 3 on your team that almost guarantees a championship within 1-2 years.

      • ProBasketballPundit - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:20 PM

        I agree that winning a championship nearly always requires a couple star players or as many as a team can pile up. I might argue that the 2014 Spurs are right up there with 2004 Pistons as a star-less team. I mean… Kawhi Leonard won the finals MVP! He may have looked like a star games 3-5 but that was about the only time of the season he did.

        I just want to see Cleveland play a month or two with their current roster. LeBron wrote in his letter that he didn’t think the Cavaliers would contend for a title this season and that he’s excited to grow with the young guys on the team… so I suppose I just want to see them give it a go before moving mountains to get another star. This K-Love hype machine is out of control right now and it kind of feels like 2010 in Miami all over again. But you’re probably right… getting Love on a team with Kyrie Irving and LeBron would probably get them the closest to title contention.

      • zoomy123 - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:30 PM

        True, but Parker, Ginobili and Duncan is still one heck of a core, lol.

        I’m also conflicted. I want to see LBJ take Wiggins under his wing; going from “I’m going to be LBJ’s student!!!” to “I’m going to Minnesota?” is cruel for anybody, lol. I have no doubt that Wiggins would become LBJ’s wing man, and if LBJ was 27 I would be willing to wait. But LBJ will be 30 this season and Father Time is undefeated. Waiting for Wiggins to develop means you would have to be willing to allow your championship window to close by 2+ years. And anybody who intentionally allows their championship window to close is mismanaging the team by definition. Because that means they’re not maximizing their potential to win.

      • ProBasketballPundit - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:36 PM

        Parker/Manu/Duncan are definitely a great core, but what I mean is that this year’s Spurs team was one of the most balanced in league history. San Antonio didn’t have a single player average over 30 minutes per game which I believe is the first such occurrence in NBA history. Even in the playoffs they didn’t have a man over 32mpg. You could argue that if they played the finals several times over that a different guy would be MVP each time… but they’d certainly win every time. And honestly, at this point is their careers is that trio better than Rasheed Wallace, Chauncey Billups, and Ben Wallace were in 2004?

      • zoomy123 - Jul 25, 2014 at 12:19 AM

        I definitely see your point, and now that I’ve seen your argument I’m convinced that you’re right. But I think that just proves my overall point, which is that these types of occurrences are extremely rare. Twice in 25+ years going all the way back to 1989 is rare indeed. Even 1 superstar teams are pretty rare: Hakeem in ’94, Wade in ’06 and Nowitzki in ’11.

  4. seasickcecil - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    @ericj_d: Duh RT @ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say that, as things stand, Minnesota likes the Wiggins-led offer better than anything else on the table

  5. conradtwin1 - Jul 24, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    If I were the T-Wolves start considering the offer from the Bulls of Gibson, Butler, McDermott and a few picks for Love. If I’m the Bulls try to get rid of Dunleavy for McDermott and keep Mirotic too if you can!!

    • twinfan24 - Jul 24, 2014 at 7:46 PM

      Yeah, because the Wolves just want the Bulls garbage without getting any good players back. They’d be better to keep Love all year and let him walk for nothing.

  6. davidly - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    The win now with Love is not only overstated and overrated, but far from the kind of guarantee that would warrant giving up the potential of developing a perennial powerhouse with the youth they have. If the Cavs give up anything more than a sign and trade with Waiters or Irving, ie. one player, no draft picks, then they are chumps. The T-Wolves have got no leverage and I don’t know why anyone would give it to them.

    • antistratfordian - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:08 PM

      Well that’s a matter of opinion. I don’t think it’s overrated – if anything it’s underrated because Love has become incredibly underrated over the last few weeks for whatever reason (lots of I-Dont-Want-LeBrons-Team-To-Be-Too-Good sentiment out there). But LeBron with Love … you couldn’t pair two stars together that fit as perfectly as they do. They would easily be the #1 duo in the NBA and a title or two should follow.

      • fanofthegame79 - Jul 24, 2014 at 6:13 PM

        I totally agree, anti. It would be almost as synergetic as the Pierce-Garnett-Allen trio was because there is no overlap of skill sets. LeBron and Love compliment each other amazingly. To put it this way: the Heat with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh were a yearly lock for the Finals as long as they stayed healthy…I think that Wade and Irving might be a wash (slight edge to Wade) and Love is better than Bosh in both scoring and rebounding (Bosh did not average 26-12 as a Raptor). So the trio of LeBron, Irving, and Love would be better and younger than what the Heat had/have.

      • davidly - Jul 25, 2014 at 8:25 AM

        I’m not questioning the potential potency of a James/Love combo. I’m questioning allowing the Wolves to dictate the terms.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 25, 2014 at 3:20 PM

        Well in this case I don’t see an issue there. The trade – with the parts as reported – is unbalanced any way you slice it. Whoever lands Love is going to be the big winner.

      • bougin89 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM

        This is where you are getting off track with the Love trade.

        If Wiggins and the other young guys the Cavs were including in this (potential) trade weren’t on rookie deals or at least very team friendly deals I’d say go after Love because Love is a very good player.

        Doing so though cripples the Cavs financially and just like the Heat are one poor playoff performance from Love or Kyrie away from not winning a ring. Depth is very key, maybe not so much in the East during the playoffs but in the finals it will be.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 25, 2014 at 3:31 PM

        This is where you’re missing the boat. The Heat model is exactly where Cleveland needs to go because they only have about 4 years to get this done. It would be ridiculous for the Cavs to try to plan for a 8-10 year run – which is what Cavs fans think they’re doing – because that isn’t something you can plan.

        Cleveland would be very fortunate if, after 4 years and a ring or two, they are left only with a 30 year old Love, 27 year old Kyrie, and a 34 year old LeBron, and nothing else. That’s still a good deal. They would still be a better team then than they were the last 4 years, with more great players than the majority of franchises.

        In other words, every Love option is a win for Cleveland except for one. The one that isn’t is the one where he bolts after one season – so they have to find a way to remove that option before any trade.

      • bougin89 - Jul 28, 2014 at 9:18 AM

        The only problem with this is Kyrie isn’t as good as Wade was (especially in the first two Lebron, Heat seasons). Love, at least offensively, is better than Bosh but he’s still average at best defensively. So basically with a Kyrie, Lebron, Love big three with scrap parts around it the Cavs won’t be anywhere near the Heat team defensively. and offensively they should be better if healthy.

        If they keep Wiggins and don’t get Love they have the flexibility to actually add more pieces next year and the year after, something that the Heat didn’t have the luxury of.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 28, 2014 at 1:13 PM

        Kyrie doesn’t need to be as good as Wade to fit better with LeBron. I think Wade was holding LeBron back in a few ways because he was afraid to shoot threes.

        Love is way better than Bosh.

      • bougin89 - Jul 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

        Getting Love while downgrading the rest of your roster significantly won’t help Lebron get rings. They have a chance to be a complete team right now with young talent. You’ve watched these last 4 years, it’s the best teams that win(except for one all time choke job by the Spurs two years ago).

      • antistratfordian - Jul 29, 2014 at 2:29 PM

        The Cavs have no chance to be a “complete” team right now by keeping the young talent around. The young talent is not yet good enough, and won’t be for a few seasons.

        Adding Love is a roster upgrade regardless of who they lose (aside from LeBron). They could throw Kyrie Irving in and the Cavs would still be better off.

      • bougin89 - Jul 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM

        I guess you are really, really high on Kevin Love. Higher than I even thought.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 29, 2014 at 3:49 PM

        No, it isn’t that. You’ve always been low on Kevin Love. I think Love would be monstrous next to LeBron. That duo would be earth shattering. LeBron with rebounding… watch out…

      • bougin89 - Jul 29, 2014 at 4:30 PM


        Hopefully Lebron is willing to take a pay cut when it’s time to re-up. He shouldn’t have to but will if they get Love.

        That’s why the trade, IMO, wouldn’t be worth it unless Lebron himself has said he’ll take a pay cut to resign with the Cavs+Love. Clearly Love is a good fit next to Lebron, you keep ignoring what I’m saying and playing it off as I’m low on Kevin Love. Maybe you think Lebron wants a pay cut either next year or the year after?

      • antistratfordian - Jul 29, 2014 at 4:34 PM

        I don’t care about LeBron’s salary. That isn’t my problem. Those guys can figure that out.

        You’re only saying what a whole horde of Cavs fans are saying. But Bucks fans and Cavs fans don’t really know anything about winning, do they? As Coach K said, there should be absolutely no hesitation in trading Wiggins and Bennett for Love. Same applies to Golden State and Thompson.

      • bougin89 - Jul 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

        Ha, nice attempt at a dig. I’m sure you’re more qualified at knowing about winning since you only follow around the best player.

        Kind of like all your comments during the playoffs, which were wrong. Especially the ones before and during the first few Spurs/Heat games.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM

        My comments were right. The Heat were on their way to winning the Finals after two games. Pop threw that curveball with Diaw though, and no one knew what impact that would have. Pop didn’t even know. If Pop knew starting Diaw was going to be so effective he would’ve done it in Game 1.

        But based on everything that happened up until Game 2 of the Finals, I was absolutely correct.

        People don’t realize this, but the Heat entered the Finals as the better team, which is why they controlled most of the first two games IN San Antonio.

        I do know a bit about winning. I’ve seen the teams I follow win 8 championships. So I know what it looks like from the inside.

      • bougin89 - Jul 29, 2014 at 5:14 PM

        Actually you were wrong. You’ve never admitted to being wrong before and I won’t hold my breath on you doing so now.

        I watched MJ win 6 rings, I know all about winning. *in my squeaky antistratfordian voice*

        It’s one thing to disagree, it’s another to turn the conversation to this, which is what you’ve done.

        I’m out

      • antistratfordian - Jul 29, 2014 at 5:20 PM

        I didn’t turn it to that. You did. You brought up the playoffs, not me. But I will defend myself if you take a jab at me.

        In any case, this is about Love being better for the Cavs than Wiggins and Bennet – which is self evident.

      • bougin89 - Jul 29, 2014 at 5:29 PM

        “I didn’t turn it to that. You did. You brought up the playoffs, not me. But I will defend myself if you take a jab at me.” You’re not that dense, Anti, right?

        But back to the point:

        Except to NBA GM’s which aren’t willing to give up role players for Kevin Love.

        It’s not as simple as Love for Wiggins and Bennett, which is self evident.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 29, 2014 at 6:08 PM

        It IS that simple. It’s not complicated. You can give up Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson and two #1s and it still wouldn’t cover the value of a player like Kevin Love. But, of course, the game being played right now is in the haggling. It’s like trying to buy tchotchkes in Hong Kong. As an American you can afford to pay sticker price for any of it – and you’d be willing to do so if you absolutely had to – but you’re still going to try to talk it down.

        And I wouldn’t put too much stock into GM decisions. You and I have sharper basketball instincts than several of them. A lot of them shouldn’t even be working in this field.

      • bougin89 - Jul 30, 2014 at 2:44 PM

        “You and I have sharper basketball instincts than several of them. A lot of them shouldn’t even be working in this field.”

        Now this I will agree with you on.

      • davidly - Jul 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

        Wrong. Financially Cleveland would be at a disadvantage, having to pay him right away and strapping their cash, and in a few years when everyone is talking about Wiggins, well, we’ll see.

        As it is, they can hold off and get a better idea what their rook can do with the best on the court with him. They’d be silly to give that up. Irving, on the other hand…

      • antistratfordian - Jul 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        There is no disadvantage for Cleveland if they have LeBron and Love. Only advantages.

    • jazz11001 - Jul 24, 2014 at 10:26 PM

      How do the Wolves have no leverage??? They have ALL the leverage! Wiggins hasn’t played against anyone and Love is a 25 yr old double double machine. You don’t trade proven NBA talent for a rookie with a high school body based on “potential”. Keep your guys and Wolves will trade with Chitown and you can remain what Cleveland always has been… Potential. Go post in hardball cuz your comment is horrible.

      • davidly - Jul 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM

        They’re leverage amounts to having a guy who if he’s not traded walks, and he’s gonna be expensive either way. Offering too much for him would be a mistake. Let Minnesota sweat until Christmas, then you’d see how much leverage they have.

  7. rymurphy617 - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Twolves have tons of leverage. They will run away with solid players from any of the three major suitors. I think you roll the dice with Wiggins and company. Who ever that may be (Bennett, Waiters, Thompson ect). Wiggins will give the twolves scoring if anything. You can’t get the same scoringing from taj and mcbuckets (amazing shooter but not a potential #1 option). Second option I’d pull the trigger on the gsw even if they don’t throw in klay. Barnes and Lee are starters now. And if they can steal some picks its not a huge loss. The bulls have nice players on the trade market but in my opinion the worst of the three options. Also wtf are the bulls going to do with pau and love? Same position not enought minutes. Sure pau can take some of Noah’s mins at center but I like Chicago as is. They have a very strong team even without love. Giving away too many role players (taj mcbuckets mitotic and butler plus picks) obviously not all but some combination of those guys is a lot of roles players to give up without stellar backup to take their place.

    Best bet hope for klay in a deal, if not pull the trigger on wiggins who is hopefully your new franchise star.

    • rosloe62 - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:26 PM

      I agree. The Bull’s should stay away. Either get him next year as a FA, or don’t get him at all.

  8. rosloe62 - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    If I’m the Bull’s, Cavs, and GS, don’t disrupt your teams and let Love play out his year in Minnesota, then go after him as a FA next year without giving up anything. He’s definitely not signing in Minnesota. If someone else wants to rent him for the year, let them.

    • tcstunner - Jul 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM

      Yet another unintelligent post. First most of these teams don’t have the cap space to sign Love. They have to trade for him. Second the Wolves are not just going to let Love walk for nothing. He’s never reaching free agency. They’ll trade him to one of the teams Love has said he’ll resign with. So for the millionth time, NONE of these teams are getting Love without trading for him.

      • 00maltliquor - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:26 PM


        God, I swear some of you guys on here man…..

      • tcstunner - Jul 25, 2014 at 6:24 PM

        and you do know if they just straight up sign him, they have to dump way more salary than if they trade for him, right?

      • tcstunner - Jul 25, 2014 at 6:26 PM

        So basically you think it makes more sense to have to dump a ton of guys and gut the team, than trading Wiggins (a complete unknown) and Bennett (a total bust up until this point)?

  9. csbanter - Jul 24, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Memo to PBT this trade can happen after 30 days is up as well. I guess this will get censored too.

  10. seasickcecil - Jul 24, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    @SamAmicoFSO: Continue to hear, despite Andrew Wiggins’ name likely coming up in talks, Cavs have not offered him in any trade proposal.

  11. campcouch - Jul 24, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    There is the possibility that Love WANTS to play with James. He may be patient enough to just ride it out in Minnesota for a basketball season or even agree to a rental elsewhere. Come free agency, he’ll have an opportunity to sign in Cleveland. Cap space can be cleared during that time, say Love does commit to the Cavs then, a sign and trade could be worked out along with a third team. So this upcoming season the Cavs start Irving,James,Waiters ,Thompson and Verejao. Wiggins and Bennett are rotation players, giving James a rest throughout the season. Wiggins gets some development time and during next offseason the team can decide on packaging Waiters or Wiggins. James knows they won’t win the title now and basically fielding the same team (except you actually have 2 bigs who’ll rebound and play inside) by sending a chunk of your roster off doesn’t make sense. They will be successful this season with or without Love, and any form of the team with the trade proposal or without is not winning a title, but Love with the current squad and a year of Wiggins tutelage might be a different story the following season.

    • 00maltliquor - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:33 PM

      Can decide on packaging Waiters OR Wiggins….

      Thanks for the laugh friend! Hehehe
      Let’s look back at this comment April 2015, yes?

  12. seasickcecil - Jul 24, 2014 at 10:21 PM

  13. seasickcecil - Jul 24, 2014 at 10:44 PM

    What’s it going to be Flip. Go into rebuild or keep fighting for a 7 or 8 seed?

  14. seasickcecil - Jul 24, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    And by he way Jazz. Just what have Doug McDermott and Nikola Mirotic done in the NBA?

  15. seasickcecil - Jul 24, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    Timberwolves president/coach Flip Saunders has liked Wiggins since before the NBA draft, when the Cavs selected Wiggins with the No. 1 overall pick. Saunders wanted Wiggins then, and he wants him now. If Saunders is going to give up a guy such as Love, he wants a promising player such as Wiggins as part of the package in return.

  16. pukpokito - Jul 25, 2014 at 3:26 AM

    I would keep Wiggins if i was the Cavs.This player was anticipated by many teams.Even making an effort to tank.He is still Wiggins who has unlimited ceiling.I would trade Bennet, Waiters and the first rounder to Philly for Thaddeus Young or to Detroit for Monroe instead. As good as Kevin Love is, his defense is inferior and he hasn’t exactly been durable. The Cavs can win without Love and with Wiggins.You just have to find that 4 who can help you outside of Love.

  17. DonRSD - Jul 25, 2014 at 7:57 AM

    Let Love play the season out, then keep your prospects and just sign Love.

    We all see how if Melo waited 3 months the Knicks could’ve kept everyone they traded.


  18. elcapitan1019 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    I have read where Love’s #1 priority is to hit free agency. Think about it. By opting in, he’d be giving up at least $3 million next summer. So, is it worth it for ANY of the teams involved to give up a Wiggins, Klay Thompson or Taj Gibson for what could be a one year rental, two at the most?? No Way, Jose.

  19. elcapitan1019 - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    Here’s the thing I don’t understand about why Cleveland is now considered one of the favorites to win it all.

    1. Who is the center, the rim protecting defensive presence? Varejao? You’ve got to be kidding.
    2. Does anyone realize how poorly Tristan Thompson and Kyrie Irving play defense?
    3. LeBron is human, he can’t will his teammates to improve their team defense. It takes more than effort to do that, it actually takes some talent.
    4. By adding Love, the defense declines even further. Imagine a lineup of Varejao, Love, Thompson, Irving and LeBron. The only real defender in that lineup is LeBron.
    5. Get ready for a lot of high scoring games, Cavs fans. It will be fun to watch. But come playoff time, it’s another story, when only the top teams get in, and all of them ratchet up the defense, have the talent defensively, and can stop a great offense. Look at what SA did to Miami last season.

    This team is woefully shy at the 5. Don’t forget, Varejao is declining. The only thing he still does well is FLOP. And he was not the center in LBJ’s first go round, it was Ilgauskas. So, who is going to play the 5?

  20. seasickcecil - Jul 25, 2014 at 9:53 AM

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