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Warriors’ Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green joining USA Select team, too

Jul 22, 2014, 12:01 AM EDT

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Does Harrison Barnes or Draymond Green hold more trade value?

Barnes, a hyped recruit who left North Carolina after two seasons, was the No. 7 pick in the 2012 NBA draft. He’s had some impressive moments with the Warriors, but he’s mostly failed to live up to his elite billing.

Green spent four seasons developing at Michigan State and went to Golden State in the second round of the same draft. He has greatly exceeded, admittedly lower, expectations.

In the NBA, Green has honestly played better than Barnes, even if he doesn’t get the recognition. But Barnes still get credit for having a higher perceived ceiling.

Role factors, too. Green hasn’t been asked to do too much. Maybe Barnes has.

There are a lot of considerations, and I’ve often wondered which of two the Warriors – and other teams around the league – value more.

This won’t do much to separate them.

Rusty Simmons of the San Francisco Chronicle:

Marcus Smart, Doug McDermott, Victor Oladipo, Tobias Harris, Miles Plumlee, Mason Plumlee and Trey Burke are also on the select team. Certainly, more names will be revealed soon.

Golden State joins the Magic (Oladipo and Harris) as the only NBA teams with multiple known select teamers, and both Warriors are reserves. This is an excellent way to develop a bench.

In the process, maybe Mike Krzyzewski and Jerry Colangelo will develop an opinion on the Barnes-Green debate.

  1. moseskkim - Jul 22, 2014 at 12:08 AM

    Draymond green is a beast! Jack of all trades. Much rarer breed than a harrison Barnes type

    • casualcommenter - Jul 22, 2014 at 1:21 AM

      He was a jack of all trades in college, but he hasn’t done much playmaking at the NBA level, and he doesn’t score many points or shoot effectively (6.2 on 40% FG, 33% 3pt last year).

      He’s a great defender and solid rebounder and having those 2 skills makes him a very good role player, which is a great result for a former second round pick.
      However, he doesn’t bring much as a scorer or floor spacer or playmaker, so I wouldn’t call him a jack of all trades in the NBA yet.

      • tardyman - Jul 22, 2014 at 3:04 AM

        Those numbers really don’t reflect his impact on the floor, especially recently….

        Yes, he still has many areas he can improve on offensively, but towards the second half of the season, he’s started to make his outside shots more consistently.

        Defensively is where he really shines. He sometimes has a knack of getting into foul trouble but when he’s on the floor he’ll force turnovers and hustle and rebound. He’s someone that any coach would love to have because he’ll give 100% every time he’s in the game.

  2. casualcommenter - Jul 22, 2014 at 1:17 AM

    If I’m looking to win a lot of games this year, I would prefer Green. He’s a role player who is good at his role – he’s become a very good defender, especially this past season after he dropped weight last offseason. He doesn’t bring much else to the table – decent rebounder but not a good shooter and hasn’t become a playmaker on offense at the NBA level. However, he does one thing very well – defend.

    If I’m a rebuilding team not expecting to make a playoff run any time soon, I might prefer Barnes due to the upside argument. He was very good in the playoffs as a rookie but hasn’t done much since then to impress. However, the fact that he’s more physically talented and has flashed a more versatile skillset than Green does give him an edge over Green in terms of ceiling. However, today, Green is the better player.

  3. campcouch - Jul 22, 2014 at 3:33 AM

    Shouldn’t expect Barnes to develop quickly with Lee, Curry and Thompson dominating the ball. Even Iguodala has regressed to being a spot scorer and facilitator. Unless HB is on a team where he can get more touches or more involved in the offense, we’ll never know.

  4. muathjam21 - Jul 22, 2014 at 4:01 AM

    Harrison Barnes has not been put into a great situation to succeed. For one, he’s just not able to ever get into a scoring rhythm because of how much Curry, Thompson and Lee demand the ball. There just isn’t enough ball to go around scoring wise for the Warriors.

    Another reason why he’d been hampered is most of the time he’s thrust onto the floor with the 2nd unit, and doesn’t get the space he needs to do his best work. This year we should be able to get a much clearer picture on Barnes, who is also not a slouch on the defensive end.

    Draymond Green is what he is. His strength, hustle and high energy always will make him a rebounding terror and his tremendous on the defensive end. But flash forward 5 years, and that Draymond Green won’t be much different than this Draymond Green. Not a slight, but it is what it is. Tremendous role player, limited potentially.

  5. mintberrycrunch1 - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    A lot of people are sleeping on Draymond Green and his potential.

    The guy is doing exactly what he did at Michigan State…improving his game every single year.

    He was bad offensively his rookie year, as he was adjusting to the game like many rookies.

    Per36min:
    40% True Shooting Percentage
    7.7 pts
    8.8 reb
    1.8 ast
    1.4 stl
    0.8 blk
    5.4 fouls

    Year 2:
    Per36min:
    50% True Shooting Percentage
    10.2 pts
    8.2 rebs
    3.0 ast
    2.0 stl
    1.4 blk
    4.6 fouls

    And my favorite quality of his is that he steps it up in big games. He has that winning mentality.

    Playoff Per36min Rookie Season:
    55% True Shooting Percentage
    11.3 pts
    8.2 rebs
    3.1 ast
    1.0 stl
    1.6 blk

    Playoff Per36min Year 2:
    59% True Shooting Percentage
    13.1 pts
    9.2 rebs
    3.2 ast
    1.9 stl
    1.9 blk

    He went from playing 22 minutes per game during the regular season this past year to 33 minutes per game in the playoffs, and was consistently put in games at the end of the fourth quarter, which says something about the trust he has from coaches. When you watch him play he does a lot of the small things that help you win but don’t show up in the stat sheets. Bogut recently stated on the radio that Green is one of the team leaders already after just his second season.

    He’s one of those guys whose game isn’t based on athleticism, but on basketball IQ and savvy, so I expect him to continue improving his game (especially his shot) as he learns the NBA game, and he should be a valuable player for 10+ years in the NBA. I would take him over Barnes every time, and I still think Barnes can become a quality NBA player.

    He gets tagged with that “low ceiling, high floor” thing because he was a four year college player, but after watching him develop the last 2 years, I don’t think that’s the case with him. He has the ability to guard players both on the perimeter and in the post, so once his offense catches up to his defense he’s going to be very good.

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