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Cavaliers trade with Jazz, gain pieces for Kevin Love deal

Jul 22, 2014, 7:22 PM EDT

LeBron James is one step closer to teaming up with Kevin Love.

The Cavaliers were looking for players with unguaranteed contracts to send the Timberwolves in a Love trade .

Players found.

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:

Lucas, Thomas and Murphy combine for $3,364,645 in unguaranteed salary. That could be useful in matching salaries with a team that, in addition to dealing Love’s max contract, wants to unload the overpaid Kevin Martin and J.J. Barea.

The Cavaliers can acquire Thomas and Murphy through minimum-salary exceptions, and by dealing Felix – who was on the books for a guaranteed minimum salary – they have enough cap room to absorb Lucas first.

This trade worked only because Cleveland waited to sign No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins. Now the Cavaliers can sign Wiggins to the standard 120 percent of the rookie scale and start the 30-day clock until he can be traded. His full salary – rather than the $0 he’d count for unsigned – will also likely be essential to any Love trade

For the Jazz, they get a draft pick and a little cash for being at the right place at the right time. This was advantage of claiming Erik Murphy off waivers late last season.

Murphy’s contract becomes $100,000 guaranteed Aug. 2 and $200,000 guaranteed Nov. 2, according to Wiggins is untradable until after Murphy’s contract becomes partially guaranteed, so the Timberwolves would just eat $100,000 if they dealt for Murphy and waived him. That’s not so bad, but eating an additional $100,000 in November when a deal might be workable 30 days from now seems pointless.

Today’s trade sets up two clocks for a Love-to-Cleveland deal – 30 days after Wiggins signs (which could happen today now that the Cavaliers have used their cap room) and before Nov. 2.

  1. seasickcecil - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    As much as anything, three non-guaranteed contracts give Cavs what one source calls, “Buying power,” whether used on Love or elsewhere.

  2. antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    Griffin is proving to be quite crafty. LeBron-the-GM is not the guy swinging these deals, trying to make the pieces fit – he’s on vacation.

    • illogic87 - Jul 23, 2014 at 8:48 AM

      Yeah, except noone wants those trash players

      • antistratfordian - Jul 23, 2014 at 3:54 PM

        It’s not about the players – it’s about their contracts.

  3. mcjon22 - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    So the Bulls will get John Lucas III back for nothing after he is released

    • fanofthegame79 - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:36 PM

      Cool, then LeBron can dunk over him again!

  4. loubearkane - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    Flip should call the Cavs and say ” Yeahhhhhhh , those were the wrong guys”

  5. RavenzGunnerz - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    I never thought leaving CLE was a sad thing… but this is. Instead of chance to play with LBJ, now Wiggins goes to Minny… where KG & Love failed to develop. Ouch.

    Keep your heads high Andrew…

    • jebdamone - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:54 PM

      failed to develop? id say they developed pretty well! KG will go down as a top five PF of all time and Klove put up over 26 and 12 last year at 25. pups are a perfect place to develop players, they just never win anything. wiggins will have a great opportunity to develop with the wolves and in another 4-5 years he’ll go to another team and probably win some rings.

    • purple4life2 - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:56 PM

      Failed to develop? 26/12 isn’t developed? KG didn’t “develop” until he hit Boston? WTF are you talking about? MN doesn’t have a development problem. Their problem has been added the correct pieces of a supporting cast to the Kevin’s.

      Wiggins will be no less in ability in MN. He may be in a similar position if Flip can’t add the correct cast. But this has nothing to do about development.

    • duhwighthoward - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:00 PM

      “Keep your heads high Andrew…”


    • furedmccombs - Jul 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM

      If my memory serves me correctly KG won league MVP while he was in Minny. Wally flipping Szczerbiak was an All-Star while he was in Minny, and never again. In my opinion the main reason that it would suck to play for the Timberpups is because free agents almost always do not want to sign there, in part due to the weather, and in part because there is little talent on the roster when they actually have money to spend…not to mention McHale and Kahn were horrible GMs. But to say that talent isn’t developed or stunted by being there is absurd…you must be thinking about their baseball team.

  6. RavenzGunnerz - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    2016, LeBron goes to NYK. Love goes to LA. The last 2yrs have been disappointing…

    • kindasporty - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:58 PM

      And Wiggins leads the league in scoring.

      • money2long - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:12 PM

        i see people missed the joke

    • loubearkane - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM

      # KD2DC 2016

      • antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:23 PM

        Isn’t 2016 an election year? Lots of photoshopping going down in 2 years.

  7. canucks30 - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    LeBron, Love, and Irving will be dropping 70+ points combined on a nightly basis.

    • scorp16 - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:16 PM

      No they won’t.

      • zoomy123 - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:32 PM

        Once chemistry issues are sorted out, I can’t see it being anything less than 60.

      • scorp16 - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:45 PM

        It might be. Bosh, Wade, and James averaged right around 65. The difference is Bosh shot 52% vs Love’s 45% and Wade was 54% vs Irving’s 44%. If they are putting up a combined 65 Pts per game that is going to be awful lot of shots. Don’t expect to have good bench.

      • elcapitanfiscal - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:23 PM

        Expect Kevin Love and Kyrie to give up a ton of points as well. LeBron better get them straight on defense or they arent winning anything.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:37 PM

        @scorp16 – Bosh and Love have about the same TS%. Love shoots more threes than Bosh – he made about 3 threes a game, which is a lot. So Love’s 45% is a little misleading when his TS% was 59% just like Bosh. Love and Irving’s three point shooting ability gives the trio of LeBron, Love and Irving more scoring potential than LeBron, Bosh and Wade, I would think.

        Wade and Bosh have been hesitant three point shooters for most of the last 4 years.

        Irving made more threes last year (123) than Wade did in the last 4 years combined (104).

      • sportsfan18 - Jul 23, 2014 at 1:11 AM


        please tell me you know that K Love’s and Bosh’s true shooting percentages are basically the same.

        this past season, Bosh was .597% which was outstanding. K Love’s was .591% which is also outstanding.

        talking about their overall FG% is like talking about a baseball players batting average now and disregarding their on base percentage and their slugging percentage.

        Love and Bosh are basically identical in their career true shooting percentages too.

        Lastly, this past season K Love had the 9th HIGHEST point per shot in the league.

        point per shot is the average of how many points a player scores for all shots they take be they 3 pt shots, 2 point shots and free throw. add up all the attempts and then divide by the points scored.

        the higher the average point per shot the better the player is at scoring.

        this is a GREAT stat.

        K Love was in the top ten in the league this past year with others like Lebron & Kevin Durant.

        Now Bosh wasn’t bad at all. Bosh was 23rd this past season in average point per shot and that is very good.

        But, this means that when the ball left Love’s hand for the basket, he averaged MORE points per shot than Bosh did this past season REGARDLESS of their overall field goal percentage.

    • realfootballfan - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:37 PM

      Remember when we heard this in Miami? But I’m sure it’s going to be true this time around with worse plaeyrs, lol.

    • money2long - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:14 PM

      that cant be good. 70+ ? geez. that means they will need superb performances from the three of them nightly ?

    • illogic87 - Jul 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM


  8. jzone954 - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    How has any team not been able to trade for love yet? What’s Saunders waiting on?

    • twinfan24 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM

      A good offer that isn’t just another team’s garbage and high contracts? For all of the talk, we have no idea if an actual offer has been put on the table by any team yet.

  9. jasper36 - Jul 22, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    The more salary the Cavs are willing to take on. The more this trade will become a trade favoring Minnesota. If you take on bigger contacts. That means more salary coming in and more younger players having to be included in the deal. The Cavs should be careful in trying to please LeBron. Fool me once shame on me, and you know the rest.

    • twinfan24 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:50 PM

      Yeah, because the last time he wanted a couple stars to play with, he only reached the Finals all four seasons and won twice. Oh, the horror!

      • bkbell3 - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:14 PM

        very good. lol

    • antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:46 PM

      It isn’t “to please LeBron.” You forget that the Cavs tried to trade for Love even before this whole LeBron thing unfolded. Remember that went down before the draft and Love said he wouldn’t sign with Cleveland – then the idea of LeBron returning started floating around, then Love said he would sign with Cleveland if LeBron was there… and here we are today.

      But the Cavs always wanted Love.

  10. fordmandalay - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    But what are the odds that the Commissioner will declare the trade ‘unfair’ and null it, like Stern did to screw over the Lakers? Oh yeah the chances are zero because LeBron must be coddled and promoted at all times so he snd the NBA can build his rep as ‘greatest ever’.

    • jebdamone - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:15 PM

      or it was be because the NBA does not own the cavs. the commissioner had the right to reject that trade because, at the time, new orleans did not have an owner so they were owned by the NBA and acting on their behalf. you might want to check facts before you make ridiculous statements.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:20 PM

        Yes, N.O didn’t want to take on vet. players on long and expensive contracts when they were going to rebulid and look at the young strong up coming team they have know and how they used the cap room that they gained in not taking on those contracts and i’m a lakers fan. It was the right business move to make. They got bad to get good and not hover around the 8th to 12th spot and not win and not get good draft picks

    • stevejames1012 - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:32 PM

      The Lakers have no whining rights in this league. They have been spoonfed key games for decades. They essentially stole guys like Kareem and Magic.

  11. campcouch - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    Why does this feel like bad karma. I know the Cavs are trying to rectify something that didn’t happen during LeBron Era Part 1, and yes I’d be happy to potentially win a title, but it’s like the same thing that fans shamed Miami over is going on here. I feel for the Minny fans, but at least Love announced his intentions a year in advance to give the team a chance to get something for him, not some sign and trade for a D-league bench player.

    • jasper36 - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:42 PM

      I totally agree about the Cavs getting treated differently than the Heat. The only difference is people won’t hate as much on the Cavs. They will root for them like they rooted against the Heat. They will be billed as the Anti-Heat, with the better Big 3 doing it for the live able Cavs. But how quickly people forget the 2014 Heat, the 2013 Lakers, of The Celtics of 2009. Success is far from a guarantee. But everyone is rooting with blind hope right now.

      • balsagna - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM

        If you can’t understand why the entire world rooted against Miami after the decision and the WWE introduction complete with laser light show, then there is no hope for you. Combine that with literally the WORST fans in the United States and you have all the reason you need for other fan bases wishing nothing but failure for the Miami Heat.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:31 PM

        That’s crap and i’m not a heat fan. They held a PEP RALLY for their fans with all the glory of the latest technology to introduce their new players to their fans. Have you ever sees an major college pep rally? Also they were asked how many chips they wanted to win and lbj started laughing and said not 1 not 2 and then wade and him started giggling and said not 3 not 4 etc. They did all this at the ah, you know, PEP RALLY. What did you want them to say at the ah, you know, PEP RALLY, that we want to win only one and then we’re good?
        Get over it, they played some great basketball and upped the level of other teams and created good theater and rivalries and full filled some peoples sad lives by giving them something to hate instead of being entertained which what sports is supposed to be, entertainment.smh

    • antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:54 PM

      The ability to field an instant title favorite is bad karma? In what universe?

  12. 2016olympics - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Lucas III, Thomas, Murphy all fairly recent ex-Bulls.

  13. officialgame - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Why in Gods name would anyone help Cleveland. Trading Love is flat out stupid. You build a team around a guy like that not pawn him off.

    • jasper36 - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM

      Not when he wants Out!

    • realfootballfan - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:46 PM

      I think that’s what they’ve been doing the last 6 years to the tune of being in the lottery every year with him as their centerpiece grabbing garbage stats on those teams.

      • realfootballfan - Jul 23, 2014 at 12:22 AM


        No, I think the only difference is that he’s a bit more versatile as a shooter coming into a potential relationship with James, but he’s just as soft on the defensive end. Actually, Love makes Toronto Bosch look like a Hall of Fame defender at the same time in their careers, and that’s sad to say.

    • twinfan24 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:56 PM

      Are you really that out of touch to the situation, or just seeing if you can troll people? Either option is rather sad. My condolences.

      • realfootballfan - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:25 PM

        Let me guess. You were one of the same idiots who thought Bosch with his 20+ and 10 numbers in Toronto made him elite and would only make him better next to James and Wade, lol? No, I’m not “trolling,” but rather stating facts. Love doesn’t play defense, fact. Love has inflated stats on horrible teams just like Bosch did (mediocre ones in Bosch’s case), fact. Anything else you want to know?

      • duhwighthoward - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:07 PM

        realfootballfan, I get your point.

        But don’t you think Love is better than Bosh?

        I watched Bosh on Toronto, and he looked like a nice player. Sure he had some deficiencies.

        But when I watch Kevin Love, he looks better. He scored like 50 points on Blake Griffin. I’ve never seen Bosh do anything like that. Granted, Blake scored like 40 points on him, but don’t you think Love is better?

        I may be dead wrong? After all, Riley signed Bosh to a max contract right now. Kind of funny, Bosh will earn more than LeBron this season.

    • antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 10:57 PM

      Everyone felt bad for Cleveland, and now people are rooting for Cleveland. Look at what Simmons wrote recently:

      “With my beloved Celtics stuck in Rebuilding Mode, I find myself rooting for LeBron’s Cavaliers to give Cleveland its first championship in 50 years.”

      It’s a national movement. People want the happy ending.

      • duhwighthoward - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:12 PM

        Bill Simmons is annoying.

        People who read him are very annoying.

        And people who repeat them are the most annoying of all.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:19 PM

        Yes, Simmons is annoying, but he’s harmless. You shouldn’t allow him to get you so worked up.

  14. seasickcecil - Jul 22, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    How do you build a team around a guy who has said he is leaving.

  15. longtallsam - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    With all the maneuvering Cleveland is doing, the trade with Minnesota must be a done deal. An agreement that can’t be official until at least 30 days past Wiggins signing, but an agreement, nonetheless.

  16. seasickcecil - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    I’ll post this link again:

  17. jasper36 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    balsagna explain to me how one fan base is better than the other. And don’t tell me because they leave games early. Just as the players are allowed to do what they want. I don’t take these things personal obviously you do. I just want clarification on the double standard.

    • balsagna - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:20 PM

      When your fans leave playoff games in the middle of the 4th quarter, then that’s all that needs to be said.

      • jasper36 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:47 PM

        And I think that when you spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on a ticket. You can do what you want. Did the players stay extra time on the court to sign autographs, or to thank the fans. No. And nobody blames them including me. The fact that they even showed up, makes them a fan. Cleveland Cavs burned jerseys when LeBron left. People killed them for it, but they failed to realize they also spent their hard earned money to do what ever they want, like buy a new one when he returned. There is no such thing as one fan base being better than the other. Only thing that’s real is the fact that some people are delusional enough to believe that it is.

      • zoomy123 - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:48 PM

        In the middle of the 4th quarter? Talk about revisionist history. They left with ~30 seconds to go and their team down by 5. Do you know what the record is for teams down in a playoff game by 5 points with 20-30 seconds left in the game? 1-122. You know who that one team was that pulled off a win? Miami in game 6. The fans were justified in walking out with 30 seconds left. The only reason people pretend as if they weren’t is so that they can use specious arguments to disparage an entire fan base.

  18. farminfool - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Can you repeat the part where you say all about the aaaa things.

  19. realfootballfan - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    Garbage in, garbage out.

  20. muhangis - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    I’m a big basketball fan and know the depth of these rosters better than your average fan, but… WHO ARE THESE GUYS????

    I mean, I *heard of John Lucas.. about it.

  21. seasickcecil - Jul 22, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    John Lucas did Star Wars didn’t he? No sorry that was George.

  22. JT - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    The Cavs need to stand pat they and let those young pieces develop..

  23. tcstunner - Jul 22, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    If the Cavs are getting Love and Martin back won’t they need to add more salary then just Wiggins, Bennett and these scrubs? Love and Martin make 23 mil combined. Wiggins, Bennett and these scrubs make about 15 mil. That’s an 8 mil difference. Might have to throw in Waiters too.

  24. kavika6 - Jul 23, 2014 at 7:17 AM

    Wiggins has proven nothing. Love is a proven career loser. Sounds about right.

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