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Report: Knicks, Sixers discussing possible Amare Stoudemire deal. Don’t bet on it.

Jul 8, 2014, 11:50 AM EDT

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Because the Sixers have room under the salary cap and therefor can absorb bad contracts, they have become everyone’s favorite dumping ground for bad contracts. By everyone I mean people at home playing on the trade machine and real GMs looking for options alike.

Enter the Knicks and Amare Stoudemire.

Stoudemire will make $23.4 million this season, the last year of the max deal that brought him to New York (to pair with Mike D’Antoni… that’s a memory Knicks fans would like to repress). That contract, combined with Andrea Bargnani’s $11 million and in theory a max contract for Carmelo Anthony (the cap hold is there now) ties the hands of what Phil Jackson could do. However, if he could dump Stoudemire’s deal…

Enter the Sixers and rumors, ones that first went big with Stephen A. Smith on ESPN and now picked up by the New York Post.

Knicks president Phil Jackson is still trying to clear this year’s payroll and has looked at avenues to try to trade Amar’e Stoudemire’s expiring contract, already having contacted the obvious team, the 76ers.

The Sixers have $30 million in cap space and have made it known they’d be willing to accept an undesirable expiring contract if a pawn is thrown in. That extra pawn likely would be Iman Shumpert — something the Knicks prefer not to do.

The idea is, at the least, to reduce payroll so the Knicks can make a sign-and-trade to obtain a free agent and be able to wield the full mid-level exception of $5 million instead of mini-mid-level $3.27 million. Currently, the Knicks are above the luxury-tax apron and are forbidden to obtain a free agent through a sign-and-trade or use the full mid-level to try to lure free agent Pau Gasol.

This is unlikely. To put it kindly. I see it as a Knicks fan fantasy — Jackson I’m sure did make the call, he should at least try — but not one the Sixers likely pull the trigger on without more in return.

The Knicks have shopped Shumpert around since the last trade deadline so the idea that Jackson is hesitant to move him now is borderline laughable.

The better question is would the Sixers do all this just to get Shumpert? Hard to see that, they will want more. Problem is the Knicks don’t have more and the Sixers will have other offers to fill up their cap space that could land them picks or better young players (a proposed Jeremy Lin deal from the Rockets, for one).

This trade makes a lot of sense for the Knicks, who if Carmelo Anthony returns would love to add Pau Gasol at a reasonable price to the mix. Of course, the Thunder and Spurs have offered Gasol that exact same financial deal and those teams are legit title contenders next season, and the Bulls are expected to go hard at Gasol (and could make a larger offer) if/when Anthony chooses another destination. Which is to say Gasol to the Knicks is not likely at all.

I could go on, but you get the idea. This is out there, Phil Jackson might love to make it happen, but the quick fix is not coming to New York. This is going to be a process, it’s a deep hole to climb out of.

  1. chiadam - Jul 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Even if they clear the space, they’ll still screw it up. Didn’t the Knicks clear the decks leading up to 2010? And now, here we are talking yet again about how the Knicks need to clear cap space.

    • money2long - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:48 PM

      Phil Jackson wasnt there whenever you’re talking about. Stop living in the past.

    • nykfanwakemeupin2015 - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:44 PM

      Yes we def botched that even though many fans praise Donnie Walsh

  2. thesixersbench - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Are you implying Jeremy Lin is a better young player than Shumpert?

    I don’t dislike Lin…but if the man can’t crack the starting lineup making that kind of money…I mean, c’mon. I feel like he’s a third guard at best.

    • ryanaammess - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:26 PM

      So is Shump and they wouldnt have to pay Amare 20 million in the Lin deal.

    • bkbell3 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM

      Lin is young and improving and shump is regressing from a low starting point to begin with. Shump has played all his life and he has no moves. He puts his head down from the wing and just goes. He has no idea what to do once he gets into the lane . His only move is from 25 feet to put the ball thru his legs and shoot a step back shot. Lin is not starting in houston because beverly is a better defender next to the ghost which is harden. Lin needs the ball in his hands as does harden so he is a better fit running the second unit.

    • icdogg - Jul 8, 2014 at 4:24 PM

      In order to deal Lin and his salary to the Sixers Houston would also be giving up their 1st round pick. That’s why Philly does the deal.

      • thesixersbench - Jul 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM

        I’ve seen rumors about that – but obviously nothing confirmed with the trade still in limbo. If that was indeed the case, I’d prefer the Houston deal, hands down.

        ….but if we’re just talking about the merits of Shumpert and Lin? Shumpert has an elite skill (defense) and shoots the long ball decently enough that it gives you hope for a career average close to 40%. Lin has no elite skills and is a turnstile on defense.

        Lin…Shump…neither of them are studs. But Shump has significantly more potential than Lin.

    • bdachan12 - Jul 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM

      @thesixersbench Your opinion has bias written all over it. Shumpert is a very good defender. But Lin is hardly a turnstile anymore. He’s a plus defensively when he’s on the floor(according to ESPN Defensive RPM) and opposing point guards average 13.5 PER against him. Shump and Lin have the same career 3pt fg but Lin’s has gone up every year while Shump’s has bounced up and down. Lin also has a career fg of 44% compared to 39% for Shump.

      Contract money aside Lin is clearly a better prospect.

  3. csbanter - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    It’s something about the Sixers that everyone seem to want to use them as depot. Dr. J, Moses, Cheeks, A.I. and all former great 76ers can only shake their heads in disgust.

    • k3nn3k - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:20 PM

      It is something about the sixers, it’s the available space with their salary cap.

    • tfoz5150 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:43 PM

      I think you meant nodding their heads in agreement.

  4. bknowledge - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Trade of Shumpert, Tim Hardway Jr, Bargniani, Stoudemire for Dario Saric and J Richardson? Knicks should also throw in cash (20 million?)…

    • chiadam - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

      Sigh.

    • 76ersdoubletank - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM

      my word

    • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 8, 2014 at 1:36 PM

      You think the sixers are going to absorb $35 mil in terrible expiring contracts and give away their first round draft-and stash-player for two backup guards and a $6 mil Richardson contract that expires next offseason and doesn’t in any way hurt them? In a deal with no future picks? That is incredibly delusional. The sixers would never do that deal, even if they got $20 mil cash.

  5. timb12 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    He’s not saying that. He’s saying the Rockets can offer a serviceable guard and picks. Whereas the Knicks can only offer Shumpert and no picks. The Sixers (who love picks) would be more inclined to take the picks over Shumpert and maybe resign Lin to a lesser deal.

  6. jamesk2465 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    Shump ain’t even that nice to begin with. He’s been basically living off his “potential” for a few years now. If I was the Sixers and I had these deal in place I’d rather take Tim Hardaway instead.

    • chiadam - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:20 PM

      Thanks, Professor. Everyone would rather have Hardaway Jr. instead.

      • jamesk2465 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM

        clearly not if they’re inquiring bout Shump and not Timmy

      • chiadam - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:27 PM

        OK, let me clarify…anyone sane would rather have Hardaway. That Philly (19-63) wants the wrong guy should not be shocking.

      • money2long - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:51 PM

        One plays offense the other better at defense. Not smart to say “anyone sane” would want whatever. Because certain teams will look for what they need between the two players.

      • Mr. Wright 212 - Jul 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM

        They want Hardaway, but Dolan has made it clear that Hardaway is not to be moved unless it means getting James.

    • felser - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM

      Wrong. Hinkie is not an idiot. What you are working off of is the Knicks side of it. Of course they would rather give Shumpert.

  7. nard100 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    So the Sixers want to bring in an injury-prone big man. Who would have thought? Oh right, EVERYONE.

    • phillycannon - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM

      You clearly didnt read anything in the article.

  8. bux1022 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    This story is 4 days old. Lol

    • sportsfan18 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM

      That’s OK. They could re-post this story again in another 4 days and we’ll jump on here and say stupid stuff and disagree with each other like always…

      same stuff different day…

    • money2long - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:52 PM

      Yeah cuz free agency is really popping off right now. I don’t blame em for running this story.

  9. handsomerob86 - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    Come on Magic, trade for Amare and New Yorks first round pick next year, I could use two lottery picks (NY’s and ours)…

    • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM

      The knicks don’t have a tradable first round pick until like 2019 (can’t trade first rounders in consecutive years). And with how bad the east is, the knicks will probably be contenders for a 7/8 seed next year, so no lottery pick.

  10. johnheisman - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    From wire services – UPDATE on Knicks / Sixers talks

    Knicks – Stoudemire?
    Sixers – NO
    click

    • bkbell3 - Jul 8, 2014 at 1:02 PM

      knicks, confusion,redial

      knicks – hello,stou…

      sixers – click, block calls

  11. edavidberg - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    Knicks would need to give up more than Shumpert to dump $20 million.

    • bkbell3 - Jul 8, 2014 at 3:39 PM

      I don’t think they would take statt and shump if they both carried suitcases filled with 20mil dollars with them to philly.

  12. senorpapino - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    Shumpert has shown that he is nothing more than a backup 2/3 who has regressed every year since his rookie season. Not sure how that sweetens the deal in any way for Philly to take Stat’s ridiculous contract.

  13. micknangold - Jul 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    I’m a Knicks fan and I don’t regret the STAT signing at all. Without him we never get Melo, and never have that awesome run in ’12-’13 that renewed my love of basketball after a long down period. Sure, D’Antoni was a failure, and we might be losing Melo, but I’m 100% back on board with the Knicks and it’s mainly due to Stoudemire.

    • phillycannon - Jul 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM

      Awesome run…..smh.

      • micknangold - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM

        Yeah it was pretty awesome to see my favorite team look like contenders all season and get to the second round of the playoffs after a decade of ineptitude. Shake your head all you want.

  14. 76ersdoubletank - Jul 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    I don’t feel as bad about this deal as some, but not how it stands. The Sixers aren’t spending money. Shoot, last year they didn’t even reach the cap floor, and just paid the difference.

    Stoudamire is on the books for one more year, and if the Knicks offer more I can see the Sixers bringing him in to play mentor to Noel and Embiid for a year, and play 10-15 min per game. Or you work on a buyout. There is a world in which that works. A strange world, but one nonetheless.

    If I’m the Sixers Shumpert is the start. I also want that 2017 1st round pick, Top 5 protected, but not top 10. That would give the Sixers two picks in 2017 (they got their original pick back from ORL on draft night).

    That’s a high price to pay for the Knicks, but they are desperate to win.

    • money2long - Jul 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      Stat will not play 10 min a game. Insane.

  15. psubeerman21 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    If they want to do a barnani and shump for nothing, that might be OK. 23 million is a lot to eat. 11 million for bargs and we could do the Lin deal as well (for a first). Then, if Lin plays well, maybe we can flip him for a second rounder at the deadline.

  16. brades123 - Jul 8, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    As a Knicks fan, I have ZERO interest in this trade unless we are somehow swinging a deal in order to potentially pair melo with another start.

    Shumpert’s progression was halted by Woodson’s “Melo, do your thing” offense. He has developed a solid 3 pointer, has the athleticism to get by guys even if his handle is a little suspect, and he can be lockdown on D when he wants it.

    STAT’s contract is obviously a hindrance on the knicks salary, but there were still flashes of the old Amare at the end of the season.

    Basically, I don’t think the knicks should trade these 2 for a straight salary dump, with the knicks getting a future 2nd rounder or something.

    • mogogo1 - Jul 8, 2014 at 4:05 PM

      For the money they’re paying him, they need a lot more than “flashes” of the old Amare. That’s the entire problem: While waiting for the return of the old Amare, time has turned him into “old Amare”.

      • money2long - Jul 8, 2014 at 5:05 PM

        I think you should’ve reversed where you placed the quotation marks.

    • Kevin S. - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:31 PM

      I’m sorry, what? Shumpert’s developed a solid 3 pointer? Since when? He shot 40% over 45 games two years ago, while being below-average beyond the arc in his first and third seasons. The dude can’t shoot threes, can’t shoot twos, and doesn’t even shoot FTs particularly well for a wing.

      • casualcommenter - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:43 PM

        A lot of Knicks fans didn’t pay attention as Shumpert regressed.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM

        I’d call him Ronnie Brewer 2.0, but Brewer could at least score inside the arc.

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