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Report: Greg Monroe wants Josh Smith traded

Jul 2, 2014, 2:23 PM EDT

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Greg Monroe, Josh Smith and Andre Drummond spent last season getting in each other’s way.

Drummond is the Pistons’ franchise player, so he’s not going anywhere. If the problem will truly solve itself, something must be addressed between Smith and Monroe.

Monroe, a restricted free agent, is trying to make a power player assuring that happens.

Zach Lowe of Grantland:

multiple sources say Monroe’s camp has made it known Monroe will sign the one-year qualifying offer if Smith remains on the roster. Monroe’s camp denies that, and that kind of empty threat is not atypical from top restricted free agents. It’s really their only form of leverage.

You might have seen the same thing from Kyrie Irving. Was he really unhappy in Cleveland, or was he just feigning displeasure to convince the Cavs to offer him $23 million more than any team could – maybe $41 million more if he’s voted a starter to the 2015 All-Star Game –  a year earlier than they had to?

Irving’s only leverage was convincing the Cavaliers they needed to keep him happy.

Monroe has even less leverage than that, though.

His qualifying offer is $5,479,934. Would he turn down a max contract to take that, just due to Smith?

Stan Van Gundy surely knows the problems Smith brings. The Pistons’ new president/coach has already indicated Monroe, Smith and Drummond can’t  share the court and has talked Smith trade with the Kings.

But dumping Smith, who’s owed $40.5 million over the next three years, is easier said than done. Monroe applying pressure to the Pistons doesn’t make it any easier – or harder. It’s already difficult enough.

This actually might bode well for the Pistons, who have about $7 million left in cap room after signing Jodie Meeks. (I’m assuming Cartier Martin is on an minimum contract and would sign after the cap space is used.)

Monroe’s cap hold of $10,216,135 is less than his projected max starting salary of $14,756,881. As soon as Monroe signs, with the Pistons or an offer sheet elsewhere, his 2014-15 salary replaces his cap hold on Detroit’s books. If that’s a max contract, the Pistons immediately lose $4,540,745 of cap space.

So, if Monroe holds out – no rush to sign the qualifying offer – that gives the Pistons more time to use their cap space first. If Monroe’s demands get Smith traded, that would likely be even better for Detroit.

But in the unlikely event Monroe signs the qualifying offer, which would give him a no-trade clause and make him an unrestricted free agent next summer, this could all backfire in a big way for the Pistons.

I don’t think it would come to that, but Monroe wants Van Gundy to know the option is on the table.

  1. bostonian13 - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    “Monroe can make has even less leverage than that, though.”


    • lawrinson20 - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

      English is hard.

  2. antistratfordian - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Seems about right.

  3. rrhoe - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    I do not think I can ever recall when a player openly request/suggest that another player be traded,I hope they don’t just to see how such a thing would play out.

    • apkyletexas - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

      You’ve obviously never heard of Kobe Bryant then.

  4. handsomerob86 - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    The Magic will take him if you give us a 1st round pick, for a trade exception. Thats probably as good as its getting Stan.

    • bougin89 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM

      One problem with that. They can’t trade their 2015 first round pick. So does Orlando really want take on Smith’s contract for a 2016 1st rounder?

      • bkbell3 - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM

        bougin89, that rule always looks to the future. I believe once the draft was done this year, if they have a 2016 pick still they can send out their 2015 first round pick.

      • bougin89 - Jul 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM

        Good information, thank you sir.

      • handsomerob86 - Jul 3, 2014 at 8:40 AM

        It would be a hard call to accept three years of Josh Smith’s terrible contract even for a 1st round pick. I wouldn’t care if it was 2016 or ’15. If it was me picking.

        As a fan I do care, because Hennigan seems to lose trades, and seems like one of the only GM’s willing to trade away picks, which he shouldn’t do as a small to mid market. If the pick is this year, hes less likely to give it up because he doesn’t have as much time to get rid of it. I am still bitter about the Philidelphia trade, which was obnoxious.

    • kindasporty - Jul 2, 2014 at 7:19 PM

      Oh, you must be mistaken. See, they fired Joe Dumars. So this isn’t happening.

      • sawick48 - Jul 2, 2014 at 8:36 PM

        along these lines, i cant stand the homerism on these boards from fans of all teams. legit every fan posts like theyre a gm, and tat their teams’ players are the most valuable in the league. rationality and logic is sparse here

      • nickjackalson - Jul 3, 2014 at 7:48 AM

        Josh Smith has valus as power forward, restricted to playing close around the zone only, Jennings has value as middling, turnover prone, shoot-first point guard…
        Good to see Orlando overpay Ben Gordon…this is so NBA teams ruining their future to appease their fan bases?or where is this overpaying-for-crap coming from?
        Why not have me start on your NBA team..I could hit the ocean, falling off a boat – that absolutely qualiefies me, don´t it?

      • nickjackalson - Jul 3, 2014 at 7:48 AM

        Josh Smith has value as power forward, restricted to playing close around the zone only, Jennings has value as middling, turnover prone, shoot-first point guard…
        Good to see Orlando overpay Ben Gordon…this is so NBA teams ruining their future to appease their fan bases?or where is this overpaying-for-crap coming from?
        Why not have me start on your NBA team..I could hit the ocean, falling off a boat – that absolutely qualiefies me, don´t it?

  5. ericreives - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    I don’t blame. The mere fact that he wants to play for Detroit is a minor miracle. SVG should do everything possible to get rid of Smith.

    • therealhtj - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:12 PM

      No Miracle – he’s restricted. No near max player has ever played out the 1 year tender. None. He’ll eventually take the money. And probably will watch J-Smoove chuck up 3’s so far out there, you’d think they were worth 4.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 3, 2014 at 1:16 AM

        therealhtj,exactly and more so he isn’t going to take a chance on getting hurt on a one year qualifying contract, 0% that happens.

      • crazylegs4 - Jul 3, 2014 at 9:37 AM

        This comment gave me a big chuckle. You have Josh Smith pegged perfectly.

  6. jacobmcbride1 - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Obviously, him and Drummond hate him and they don’t try to hide it, the offense, defense, and morale of the team would immediately improve if Josh Smith is traded

    • ranfan12 - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:21 PM

      or played like he was worth the money for once lol.

    • realfootballfan - Jul 5, 2014 at 1:07 AM

      Not a Smith fan, but what exactly was Drummond and Monroe doing while Smith was making the playoffs in Atlanta? Oh right, sucking. So maybe they might want to look in the mirror instead of worrying about what’s SVG’s job to fix without their input.

  7. senorpapino - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    Based on the free agency rumors, one or both of the following would be wonderful:

    1. Isiah Thomas S&T with Sacramento for Josh Smith. Perhaps take on Jason Thompson’s contract to balance it out.

    2. S&T Monroe to Portland for Batum.

    This would turn around the roster almost immediately and fix a number of last year’s problems. All that would be left is to find a suitor for Jennings.

    • DonKellyBaby - Jul 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

      I’ve heard both of these rumors as well and I’m not sure which one I like better.

      Batum is an excellent young player and would be an excellent upgrade at the SF position; however, I dislike Josh Smith so much that I’d rather see him go.

      I also wouldn’t rule out a possible 3 team trade scenario that involves Detroit, Boston, and Sacramento.

    • jacobmcbride1 - Jul 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM

      Trading Monroe fixes nothing at all, keep him and try your best to trade Smith

      • DonKellyBaby - Jul 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

        I believe Josh Smith is a better fit for SVG’s system over Monroe; however, the personality and age differences between the two is what gives Monroe the advantage.

        Everything will depend on the offers Monroe receives from other teams and the potential sign-and-trade deals the Pistons are faced with. I just really hope the Pistons don’t do a sign-and-trade for Ryan Anderson.

    • kb2408 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM

      Monroe straight up for Batum?! Heck no, Monroe is worth more than that!!

      • eugenesaxe1 - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM

        Obviously you know nothing of Batum.

    • lenbias34pt - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:42 PM

      Josh Smith can’t be traded.

      No offense Senorpapino and the 31 thumbs up, but tell me what i’m missing.

      A Player with a sick cap figure who is distruptive and a cancer on the court. You have to throw in Picks and players to get rid of him.

      • eugenesaxe1 - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:58 PM

        Anybody can be traded, you just have to find the right price.

  8. DonKellyBaby - Jul 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    Everyone that is a Pistons fan wants Josh Smith traded. He was a horrible signing to begin with anyways.

    • sumkat - Jul 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM

      Never made sense to me either. He was a guy that Atlanta could trade because of his contract. So them amnesty him. The Pistons then give him basically that same contract, without a need. Very odd signing. Was almost like they just did it because they had cap space and didn’t want people to say they didn’t use it

      • birdsflynorth206 - Jul 2, 2014 at 6:07 PM

        The Hawks did not amnesty Smith, he left as a free agent

  9. provguard - Jul 2, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    Trade Pistons Smith for Knicks Smith,,

    • kb2408 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:36 PM

      That’s akin to trading one terminal illness for another terminal illness. In the end they’re both gonna kill you.

      • sportsfan18 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:53 PM

        Josh Smith career .279% three point shooter…

        J.R. Smith career .371% three point shooter…

      • tomasekradek - Jul 3, 2014 at 5:05 AM

        Josh Smith career defense – good to great
        JR Smith career defense – error, missing data

  10. sumkat - Jul 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM

    I understand not liking the fit on the court, because they don’t fit. But being willing to take that much of a pay cut? I don’t see it…unless he’s given his mom the Delonte West treatment or something

  11. money2long - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    This is definitely something Monroe would deny he feels in public.

  12. cruzan80 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    The Rockets should be taking a long hard look at this situation.

    They’re not getting LBJ or Melo. They need to focus on a realistic option. Smith is that “stretch 4” that they’ve been looking for.

    Good defender, younger than Melo & LBJ & would fit better next to Dwight as the starting PF.

    • sportsfan18 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:50 PM

      ever watch Smith shoot?

      you’ll go blind…

      if he hits the backboard, ANY of it, it was a good shot for him…

      on TOP of that, he fancies himself a 3 pt shooter too…

      career .279% 3 pt shooter…

      dude shot .264% last yr and he took 265 3 pt shots…

      D Wade can’t shoot the 3’s either and he KNOWS that… so he only took 32 3 pointers last season.

      In the last THREE seasons, D Wade has only taken 154 3 pt field goal attempts.

      D Wade only shoots .289% from 3 which is barely better than Josh.

      except Josh tossed up 265 bricks from beyond the 3 pt line just this past season to D Wade’s 154 threes in the past 3 seasons…

    • bougin89 - Jul 2, 2014 at 4:54 PM

      The whole point of Josh Smith is that he’s a horrible stretch 4. You only want him shooting in the paint.

      • sounddawg313 - Jul 2, 2014 at 8:21 PM

        Same thing with Monroe if or when they trade Smith, Monroe isn’t stretching the defense, both need to go Drummond is the future & who you want to build around.

      • bougin89 - Jul 3, 2014 at 9:10 AM

        You don’t have to be a stretch 4 to be a good power forward…

        Monroe can play with his back to the basket, very well, the Pistons would be wise to keep Monroe and Drummond and try to trade Smith.

      • realfootballfan - Jul 5, 2014 at 1:12 AM

        With Josh Smith, maybe coaching is the problem, something I don’t think will be with S
        VG. When he was under Woodson, he didn’t do as much of that mindless freestyling as the did after he was fired. Seems like if you don’t get in his ear and define his role, he goes Sam Perkins on you.

      • bougin89 - Jul 7, 2014 at 9:57 AM

        That’s a good point. If he has a strong presence for a coach I doubt he’d be playing as “reckless”. SVG could be that presence.

    • lenbias34pt - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

      Have you lost your mind?

    • rich6812 - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

      How is it even possible to be a “stretch 4” and not have a good shot outside the paint?

      • bruceeff - Jul 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM

        “Technically speaking, the three point line is paint too.” – J Smoove

  13. timmons94 - Jul 2, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Good for Monroe but who wants josh smith ESP with that contract…
    As long as jerebko finally gets a shot I will be happy… Pistons have talent

  14. bruceeff - Jul 2, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    I ain’t mad at cha, Greg. Anything that keeps the pressure on the organization to trade J Smoove is a-okay with me.

  15. rajbais - Jul 2, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    If they can amnesty Josh Smith they should do it.

    According to the amnesty tracker they have not done so yet.

    Smith is a pain on and off the court. He should be one and done in Detroit. Van Gundy is the boss now.

    • Kevin S. - Jul 2, 2014 at 9:46 PM

      His contract was signed after the new CBA. He is not amnesty eligible.

      • rajbais - Jul 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM

        Well, any buyout or removal is better than neither.

        Regardless of how much it costs to get rid of him it’s always worth having him off the team than on it.

  16. rajbais - Jul 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    It’s official. Detroit is eligible to use the amnesty clause on anyone.

    We know whom they have to use it on.

  17. sawick48 - Jul 2, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    is jennings really an answer detroit fans? are you guys hoping for an upgrade at the 1? maybe a trade for rondo or it2?

  18. weaselpuppy - Jul 2, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    Yup, anything tha moves Smith….Monroe’s leverage, the King’s willingness to have the basketball equivalent of the ESPN short lived series Playmakers as a roster, SVG’s svengali soothing tones or a 55 gallon drum of prune juice…..whatever…Git R Dun.

    That guy is a bag of wet cats with a laser pointer thrown in…

  19. realfootballfan - Jul 5, 2014 at 1:00 AM

    This is shocking. [my shocked face]

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