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Report: LeBron, Wade, Bosh give Riley window to upgrade roster, contract frameworks

Jun 30, 2014, 9:51 PM EDT

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LeBron James has made it clear he wants help on the Miami Heat’s roster and he wants to see ownership spend to do it. He opted out early in part to put pressure on the Heat organization — upgrade this roster or I look at my options.

Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are with him.

The three of them are going to lay back at the start of free agency and let Pat Riley recruit guys, but they are giving him contract frameworks to make that possible, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.

As Miami Heat president Pat Riley begins to pursue free agency at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday, LeBron James and his Big Three teammates plan to give the franchise a window to recruit a supporting cast and close deals with them, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The Heat’s free agents – James, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem – have the framework of deals in place to remain with Miami, arming Riley with his limitations within the salary cap to sign talent, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

“Everybody has their [contract] number and has left a little bit of room to let [Riley] maneuver,” one source briefed on the contract discussions told Yahoo Sports.

With those three guys opting out the Heat have roughly $55 million in cap space, but the Heat do not have that cap space to play with, the Heat have cap holds for all three of those players for what they would make with a standard raise. Essentially, Riley’s hands are tied, he is over the cap line.

However, if they all gave him frameworks and left some on the table Riley will know what he has to spend — PBT has heard he has made offers to people in the $6-7 million range, which could be money is has under the cap to spend and/or part of the mid-level exception (which is expected to be $5.3 million a year or a little higher to start).

The question remains how much of a salary reduction Wade and Bosh are willing to take (LeBron wants a max or close to it). What LeBron in particular is doing is putting pressure on owner Micky Arison, who has said he would spend to keep this team competitive and together. LeBron wants to see that action.

If you think this gives you hope your team is going to land LeBron, don’t bet on it. Players will go to Miami to be part of a title run in a popular city (and a state with no sales tax). LeBron still isn’t taking meetings with teams.

He’s just going to wait a bit and see how things play out.

  1. bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Again they don’t have 55mil. in cap space because the big 3 alone have some where in the neighborhood of 70-75mil in cap holds and that’s not counting their other free agents if the heat haven’t renounced their rights either. they can’t just fill up the cap space with free agents then resign their own free agents. They need the big 3 to sign first to find out how much money they have left with the cap projected to be around 64mil.

    • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:06 PM

      Correction, the cap hold total for all of Miami’s free agents is just over 76mil until they start resigning them or renounce their rights to them which will mean they will lose their bird rights for them

      • willkill4caffeine - Jul 1, 2014 at 8:39 AM

        Guys, what the story is saying is that the Big 3 have given Riley a “framework” of a contract that would keep each of them in place in Miami. This means that Riley knows what each of them will sign for, even though it is not official yet. Therefore, he can go out and pitch free agents with the remainder of the available cap space that is not included in the framework deals made by the Big 3.

      • c2poke88 - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM

        CORRECTION: You are wrong again. Players who have opted out of their contracts are no longer the property of the team they were under contract with. Therefore, it’s STUPID to think the Heat are subject to Cap Holds for the players that opted out of their contracts. Cap Holds are strictly for unsigned draft picks. Which makes total sense, because that is the scenario where a player can be considered the property of a team without being under contract.

    • ringjames - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:09 PM

      That’s if you want to be technical. The Heat do in fact have $55M in cap space, but it’s obvious that the big 3 are staying so most of that will go to them once they re-sign. Then when they re-sign we’ll know how much of the cap they have left to sign free agents of other teams. Then when that’s done, the Heat will re-sign players from the previous roster.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:25 PM

        ringjames,That’s what i said, but this writer said the big three are just going to lay back and see who riley recruits. How can riley know what level if free agent to recruit if he doesn’t know how much he has to spend? Whose price range is he in without knowing how much cap room he he has to work with without either resigning the big 3 and or renouncing some free agents to get rid of the cap holds. I looked it up and the cap holds for all their free agents is just over 76mil so some of those domino’s have to fall first. Do they have 10mil or 15mil etc. after the big three resign? Right now who knows. I can’t believe wade and bosh oped out without knowing how much lbj wanted and how much they wanted. Other wise if lbj does want the max and those 2 to take a big cut or he will leave and it’s more than wade and bosh want to cut then why opt out and leave 40mil on the table.

      • ss3walkman - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:37 PM

        Your both wrong. If you read it says they can sign players with the $55 million they have to spend. It doesn’t mean spend all of it on incoming players but whatever they don’t spend goes towards resigning the big 3 partially. They can pay them the rest of the way by going into the luxury. You can go into the luxury to resign players not new contracts.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:50 PM

        walkman your wrong. Right now with cap holds they are capped out with 76mil in salary. They can’t sign anybody until the renounce enough free agents to get under the cap and or resign the big 3 and other to lesser amounts to get under the cap. If the knicks who are over the cap with melo’s cap hold he is THEIR free agent and can exceed the cap to resign him.BUT miami IS over the cap with all the cap holds and morris’s contract so they have to start resigning guys and or renouncing guys to get rid of cap holds and lock in some lower salaries before they sign anybody else’s free agents. Cap holds = salary.

      • sportsfan18 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:31 PM

        you’re all wrong…

        it’s you’re.. not your that ya’ll been sayin’

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:33 PM

      I don’t believe that they need each of the big 3 to sign first. Once they replace a few cap holds with lesser salaries there would be space to sign other free agents. The Heat would then work off LBJ’s cap hold number until other pieces are signed, then they can go over the cap to re-sign LeBron – this according to John Schumann from NBA.com.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:40 PM

        anti, it amounts to the same weather it’s a cap hold or a salary it eats up cap space and if lbj resigns for less than the cap hold they then know better how much they have to work with. If say, allen’s cap hold is 6mil and they resign him for 3mil then they gained 3mil in space.Same with the big 3. Cap holds were put into the cba to keep teams from signing other free agents to fill up the cap then resign all their own free agents and exceed the cap.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:48 PM

        Yes, I just said that. They can replace Wade’s and Bosh’s cap holds with lesser salaries and then continue as Schuhmann described.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:53 PM

        Not if after resigning wade and bosh their still over the cap with lbj and their other free agents cap holds still on the books. Cap holds = salary

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:01 PM

        Yeah, the idea is that they wouldn’t be.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:17 PM

        anti, they can’t resign wade,bosh and other teams free agents and be let’s say 1mil under the cap and then exceed the cap to resign lbj. Other than using exceptions they have to be under the cap to sign other teams free agents that is why the cap holds are there in place of actual salary.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:22 PM

        Yes, they will have a cap hold for LeBron. We’ve already been through this.

    • smoothaswilkes - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:21 PM

      They don’t need to sign any of those three to know how much the have to spend. All there players have met with each other to determine what salary they would take for this next contract. LeBron wants max and the other two haven’t been publicized. That said, those back of the napkin figures is something that Riley can work from – I’m pretty sure they have the wherewithal to do the math without actually signing people.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:28 PM

        smooth, of course your right but the question i have been answering is actually sign a free agent not knowing how much they will resign for and talking to free agents.If they know and they should then they know how much to spend but when it comes to actually signing another teams free agent they have to be under the cap enough to fit the new guy’s salary in which means guys will have to resign first to clear cap holds. But you are right for the purposes of negotiating with free agents

      • smoothaswilkes - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM

        Yeah, that is kind of the point of the Big 3 giving Riley time to suss out what is available to fit in their back of napkin figures. Riley can make handshake deals with all the free agents he can fit under the new numbers, take them to LeBron and company for their head nod, then start signing everyone up. You seem to be making more of the timeline than is necessary.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:48 PM

        Smooth, Exactly, That’s what i was trying to explain to some others on here. Talking and signing is 2 different things. And you would think the big 3 all decided how much they want and are ok with it or if lbj wanted them to take a bigger cut than they wanted to or walk I doubt wade or bosh would of opted out and left 40mil on the table.

    • namriverrat69 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:22 PM

      This type of greed and holding teams hostage leveraging all the players can is one reasonI have lost interest in pro basketball. Wasn’t this the exact team James was saying would win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8 but 9 championships? And how many did they win? And now of course it is managements fault as they hold out as they are.

      I watch some basketball but I really don’t care who wins anymore. My LA Kings keep me happy and local LA baseball and college sports including my AZ Wildcats. I’ve always been a Dodger fan and rooted for the Angels but more so since I discovered 5 months after he bought the team that Arthur Moreno was the same Arte Moreno I went to high school with.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:37 PM

        namriverrat69, i get what your saying but when a team doesn’t want you anymore they will trade you or dump you. How did it work out for the Dallas players a couple of years ago after winning a chip the owner wanted all of them to sign one year contracts so the following year he could dump them to yet again chase shinny objects.If any of us had any power at our jobs get the pay or hours etc. because we were so valuable to the co. we would use it and our careers in general don’t have a shelf life like athletes have. Not a heat fan but so far they won not 1 but 2 and counting and making boatloads of money for the owner.

      • namriverrat69 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:31 AM

        My main gripe was how obnoxious James was when he left Cleveland and had that stupid party show in LAS and claimed they all were so wonderful they were going to win 9 championships together as if they were so good all they had to do was phone them in. What a putz. The James teams won what 2 whole championships? Then this year they got handed their heads by San Antonio. HAHAhahahahahaha. What a jerk.

    • c2poke88 - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:05 PM

      Bkbell3, you have grossly misinformed the other posters on this board. There are no cap holds for players who have opted out of their contracts. They are free agents, which mean they are the open market. Cap Holds are strictly for draft picks that haven’t been signed yet. So the Miami Heat DO have $55 million in cap space.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 9:03 PM

        c2poke,read my other comment to you but you are wrong, A team retains bird rights to their free agents also but go to the web site i listed in my other comment and then get back to me.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 9:17 PM

        if you read the article the writer even says the big three has cap holds.smh

    • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 8:57 PM

      c2poke88,my man you don’t know what your talking about, there a dozen articles that talk about their cap holds.caps holds are for your own free agents. Go to basketballinsiders.com and click on salaries then team then miami and see what their cap holds are except they made a mistake on lbj. They put 2mil instead of 20mil.wow read some.

  2. d57fan - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    These idiots who keep “reporting” they have $55Mil cap space…and players who are eligible for their first major contract like Lowry are not the same as old vets willing to come in for the minimum, you hack.

    • c2poke88 - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:28 PM

      You might want to educate yourself on the CBA before you call the writer a hack. The Heat do have $55 million in cap space. The only “idiots” are the ones like yourself who think teams are subject to Cap Holds for players that opted out of their contracts just because the team is likely to re-sign them. Cap Holds do not apply to UFAs. They only apply to un-signed draft picks and maybe RFAs. Those are the only players that can belong to a team without being under contract. Every one of the Heat players that opted out are UFAs. Therefore, the Heat cannot be subject to Cap Holds for those players.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 9:09 PM

        dude you are lost, so what is stopping miami from signing 55 mil worth of other teams free agents to fill up the cap then resigning the big 3 for another total for 20mil each for another 60mil by exceeding the cap with the big three’s bird rights. that’s what the cap holds are for. The players are free agents, yes and can sign anywhere but until they do sign with another team or their former team renounces them the cap holds are in place. wow

      • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 9:12 PM

        What does “likely” to resign them have to do with contracts. miami us likely to not resign a number of their free agents like beasly etc.

  3. spyder9669 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    They are demanding a roster UPGRADE?? I thought THEY were the upgrade???

    • c2poke88 - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:30 PM

      They WERE back in 2010. And it resulted in 4 straight trips to the Finals and 2 championships. But now the supporting cast has deteriorated and needs to be retooled.

  4. jman2020 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    How much help do the so call 👑 need ??

    • southbeachtalent - Jul 1, 2014 at 8:51 AM

      2 rings in 4 years with a “crippled” team no less.

  5. rodge1 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    I love how upset the haters get.

    • southbeachtalent - Jul 1, 2014 at 8:53 AM

      It’s pathetic, every single Heat story has the same dummies saying the same ole crap. Meanwhile unless they’re Spurs fans their teams are a pile of steaming dung.

      .

  6. brianjoates - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    You keep writing / reporting/ rehashing that Lebron wants a max deal…until it comes from his agent or Lebron, it is just another made up anonymous source. Coattails windhorst can just spew his made up bs insider info.,while all of the other guys follow the leader.

    • smoothaswilkes - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:28 PM

      https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=LeBron%20James%20max%20salary

      It’s not Windhorst and it’s been widely reported all day that James is looking for the max with this next deal, and rightfully so.

      • brianjoates - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:27 AM

        The first link is to an espn article by windhorst…

        Sure, he should be the highest paid player in the league, but he wants to build a dynasty with other great players and to do this he can’t max out. The salary cap should be raised even higher to accommodate the direction of the financial uptick the league has had over the past few seasons. The league has seen a tremendous rise in popularity with the coming together of all stars, ride that wave, force other owners to spend to be competitive in building teams.

        Professional sports teams are doing pretty good these days. Shoot the Philadelphia eagles won’t even speak to companies unless they are willing to commit to minimum 1 million per year sponsorship investment on a multi year commitment.

      • gofinsgoheatfloria - Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM

        He may be looking for the max, but if he were absolutely insistent on that to the exclusion of everything else, like winning, other teams making inquiries would be getting something better than “your call is very important to us…”.

        Two other considerations.

        1. In a presser even more widely reported than the current speculations, Pat Riley said that Mickey Arison will spend what is needed. I have not seen Windhorst nor the Heat towel boy that someone ingeniously nicknamed “Sources” interpret that as meaning anything other than what it says.

        2. Let’s try a thought experiment. Pat Riley calls LeBron and says “Marcin Gortat will sign for so-and-so”. Does anyone here really think that Gortat isn’t stepping off the plane at MIA the next day?

  7. Hard On For Harden - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    It’s been reported that Lowry back to the Raptors is all but a done deal.

  8. rrhoe - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    Pat Riley needs to get a handle on this fast and let it be known who is running what. These guys are players,all this talk of seeing what Riley is going to do makes it seem like somebody giving a reason to leave if they perceive that management is not doing all that it can.

    • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:15 PM

      rrhoe, that’s the benifit of not only being a free agent, but a free agent your team wants to resign. If they don’t like how much money you demand the team can let you walk. If you don’t like the direction the team is taking you can leave as a free agent and go to another team. It’s that simple and just business.

      • rrhoe - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:58 PM

        My man,I know what a free agent is,but for these players to demand what management and for that matter,the owner,spends is ridiculous. Don’t make excuses because it’s LeBron and Pat Riley doesn’t have to answer to them. If Mickey Arison does not want pay any luxury taxes then who is LeBron to question that. LeBron needs his own his own team.

      • rrhoe - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:01 PM

        LeBron needs to own his own team(sorry bout that,using cell).

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:08 PM

        rrhoe, I’m not saying your wrong but the point is supply and demand and i’m not making excuses as i’m not a fan of the heat. If the player doesn’t want to take the money the owner offers he is free to walk. If the players don’t like what the team is doing they can walk. The owners and players collectively bargained the system including free agency. No one has to do anything the other wants and they can part ways. But lbj and the team is making the BILLIONAIRE owner boat loads of money so he might just want to keep lbj and work with him. Again it’s just business. When a company really wants to hire a ceo away from another co. they will meet the demands of the guy or they won’t. Business.

      • gofinsgoheatfloria - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:40 AM

        “If Mickey Arison does not want pay any luxury taxes then who is LeBron to question that.”

        Pat Riley has said that Arison will spend what is needed to keep the Big 3. If you want to make a case that Riley was wrong when he said that, by all means make it, but it can’t help the discussion if people start faking memory loss problems.

    • paleihe - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:18 PM

      And as an employee, if your services are in demand, and you don’t think management is doing everything it can, you have the right to leave. More power to them for holding management accountable.

    • edavidberg - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:21 PM

      The players call the shots. Riley can’t win anything without LeBron.

      • mvshark - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:53 PM

        and it appears he can win about 50% of the time with him…Not bad …But HE the King was talking not 1, not 2, not 3….you get my drift..

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:59 PM

        shark, PEP RALLY,having fun for the fans, get over it. What should they have said to the question,”we only want to win one and then lose the rest for the next ten years”

    • papichulo55 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:41 PM

      rrhoe, we are in the middle of a paradigm shift in the business of basketball. Certain players are savvy enough to interact with the Owners as business partners, not employers. Pat Riley and Mickey Arison apparently don’t have any problems with this business arrangement, so whats your problem with ‘these guys’? You just want ‘Them’ to stay in their place? That train left the station a long, long time ago, my friend.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:48 PM

      Riley was the first to get a handle on it by calling the Big 3 out early on… talking about, “This stuff is hard. And you got to stay together, if you’ve got the guts. And you don’t find the first door and run out of it,” etc. He can take credit for everything that happens after that if they stay.

  9. ljl2 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    If you are gonna write about cap stuff, understand it. Heat can go over to re-sign own guys. They cannot sign other guys without renouncing rights. Once they renounce rights, they can’t go over with those guys. Why do we have to do this every year?

  10. captainwisdom8888 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    Going from the cold, depressing “factory of sadness” that is Cleveland Ohio…to the warm, tropical, and epically beautiful Miami Florida, there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that LBJ will return to play for the Cavs. Lebron has already won championships in Miami and his family is perfectly settled in there, so it would truly take a whole lot to make him feel inclined to pick up his life and move elsewhere. I think he’s gonna stay in Miami for quite possibly the rest of his career.

    The “Big 3″ for Miami have accomplished a lot for that team, but the Heat would be smart to consider shaking up this roster soon. Lebron continues to play on an MVP level each and every year, but it’s clear that both Wade and Bosh have taken steps back in their careers while still commanding hefty contracts. The Heat need to get younger, and they would also benefit from having a deeper roster instead of being so top-heavy.

    • campcouch - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:17 PM

      not really sure how Cleveland got into this,kinda have a feeling that they’ve moved on. I can see how Wade has regressed physically,but I wouldn’t say Bosh has taken a step back. He plays in whatever it is Miami uses as an offense. They seem to be happy with a PF that shoots threes. I’m still not convinced Wade is done either. He looked a little heavy and his knee(s) and conditioning may benefit from a little weight loss.

  11. beach305 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    Beasley and Oden, with the amnesty of Miller really hurt the Heat. Going into the season the bench was suppose to the most talented Miami ever had in the big 3 era. It turn out to be the worst. With all that said, they still made it to a 4th straight finals.

    • moppop - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:01 PM

      Oden was clearly never the same after being so injury prone. I feel like Beasley, though, was simply under utilized.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:57 PM

        very well said PAP.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:02 AM

        moppop, i agree, beasley is 6’10” and can rebound and shot 49% from the field and 40% from the 3 so maybe their was something more going on. They could of used more offense and rebounding at times. my other comment some how posted under you for some reason

      • sportsfan18 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:30 AM

        bkbell3

        for what it is worth, there was an article several days back that Lebron did not like Beasley’s effort, his mind, his lack of involvement etc…

        he doesn’t trust him…

        if Bron doesn’t want him, he’s gone…

  12. zickhead - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    You don’t see Spurs “big” 3 asking for roster upgrades. They basically took players that no one wanted at that time, Diaw from Bobcats, Patty from Blazers and Green from D League.

    • dj3garrett - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:48 PM

      The Spurs “big 3″ already took pay cuts… The main reason was so the organization could add better players… Tim Duncan could definitely make more than 12 mil a year… When Miami players do it they get criticized but when anyone else does it, they receive praise…

      • mvshark - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:55 PM

        Because none of the Spurs made it page one with there decisions.

  13. honkerdawg - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:45 PM

    Another case of the inmates running the asylum. Why don’t they buy a team if they want to control one so bad.

    • jasper36 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:51 PM

      They cant until they retire.

    • moppop - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:55 PM

      The NBA has always been the case of inmates running the asylum. It’s equally applicable in the ESPN 1 Hour Lebron James special as it is now.

    • dj3garrett - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:00 PM

      Inmates? They’re not controlling the team, just their situations. If the owner of the Heat and Riley don’t agree with what the Big 3 are doing they can easily not offer them a contract and go separates ways… Doubt it, because It’s a business and the money that Arison has made the past 4 years is too much to let them walk… Back to the big 3 controlling their situations. .. If you don’t agreement with your management, do you not have the right to look for another job? Let the players start slacking off and see how fast they’re traded…

      • moppop - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:08 PM

        The problem is that it’s in the Heat’s best interest to lock up the big 3 early for as little as possible. It’s not about effort or slacking off.

        It’s like me (as the IT guy), saying I want a max contract and new servers or I drop the company’s databases and chances of a quick recovery down the dumpster. LBJ and the B3 know that if they leave, they guarantee that Riley can’t field a title-competitive team.

      • bkbell3 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM

        moppop, that’s not their problem to worry about if a billionaire they don’t work for anymore makes money. Not only does the billionaire make money each year but the worth of he’s franchise goes up hundreds of millions of dollars over the years. Again when a team is done with you they will trade you or dump you or cut your pay. Again BILLIONAIRE OWNERS. See what happen to the dallas players after they won a chip and were only offered one year contracts so the next year cuban could dump them and yet again chase shinny objects. Players are business men just like the owners. And yes none of it at times makes us fans happy but the players and owners have a right to pursue their goals and business interests.

      • seansull83 - Jul 1, 2014 at 2:48 PM

        Again it seems that trying to “negotiate” terms that are fair but leave enough on the table to work with is “inmates running the asylum”. I am not a Heat fan or LeBron fan, but this is just a business deal. Let’s break it down into simpler terms.

        LeBron: Hey, I want to get paid and stay with Miami, but it might cost you in luxury tax.
        Arison: not sure if I am okay with that.
        LeBron: Well I want to be competitive.
        Arison: well I can’t do both.
        LeBron: well I think you can, and if I walk, you will lose more than you would in luxury tax. I put fans in the seats, get the team TV time, and bring in multiple sponsors. You can pay, or not, but how much will you lose if you don’t.

        You gotta spend money to make money, but he is a bad guy for doing a negotiation. Meanwhile Kevin Love literally is killing the wolves, and he isn’t a pariah. If you are going to hate LeBron, don’t do it because he is a smart businessman, do it for the right reasons. For me it’s the fact that he’s a thorn in the Celtics side. He stopped our run in 2012. That is a legitimate reason

  14. jasper36 - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    I hope Lowry stays in Toronto, because it was almost a for gone conclusion that he would be over paid due to his playoff performance. I think the Heat would be better off with someone like Jameer Nelson at the point. And chasing Pau Gasol, and a younger wing like Marvin Williams, or someone in their price range. They could also later use Norris Cole in a sign in trade for a team looking for a young back up PG.

  15. mnsadsportsfan - Jun 30, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    I love how everyone on this thread is a cap expert. haha. Folks the big three aren’t so big anymore D-Wade is done and is Bosh really that dominant?

  16. spliff219 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Dump Wade. add pieces . problem solved

    • moppop - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM

      You’d have to dump Wade after LBJ signs, otherwise LBJ won’t sign until they get those pieces.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:44 PM

      Who is going to replace Wade’s 20/5/5 on 53% shooting? There isn’t any guard in the league who can do that except him.

  17. m4a188 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    Nelson and Gorat to Miami would be nice.

  18. dj3garrett - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    Lebron should take 18, while both Bosh and Wade take 12 mil per year… Then go after Ariza, Gortat, and Nelson… Bring Ennis over… Resign Ray, Bird, UD, Beasley… Maybe if go after a cheap veteran 2 guard like Carter or Anderson…

    Pg: Nelson, Cole, Shabazz
    Sg: Wade, Allen Anderson
    Sf: Lebron, Ariza, Beasley, Ennis
    Pf: Bosh, UD
    C: Gortat, Bird

    Wishful thinking but that would be a pretty good team…

    • sportsfan18 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:07 AM

      Here is Riley’s thoughts about a back up for Bosh…

      Gotta get somebody Bosh like to back Bosh up… Ah! there he is… Marvin Wiliams come on down… here is a snippet I just read about Marvin, whaddya think of this? “A guy with all the physical tools and a very laid-back, unaggressive, uninspired game. He can be part of a team’s rotation but they can’t lean on him for much.”

      Doesn’t that sound JUST like Bosh? Perfect, there is my Bosh-like backup for Bosh…

  19. papichulo55 - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:56 PM

    Some of us need a Refresher on the NBA Cap. Here is a pretty good one:

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

  20. dontaco - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:34 AM

    This is so dumb

  21. semperfiguy1011 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    If I understand this right, it is going to be one of two scenarios. First, Riley brings in his upgrades and they resign the big 3 and pay the luxury tax. Second, If the owner is not willing to pay the luxury tax, then Lebron Bosh and Wade have to decide between building a dynasty or getting top dollar.

    You can best bet that they are all communicating back and forth on this. Everybody is going to know what each others positions and #’s are.

  22. uwsptke - Jul 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    Players will go to Miami to be part of a title run in a popular city (and a state with no sales tax).

    Florida has a sales tax; the appeal to players is that Florida doesn’t have an individual income tax.

  23. sportsfan18 - Jul 1, 2014 at 12:01 AM

    oops, forgot Evan Turner in my review… dude’s gonna make me a genius…

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