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Report: LeBron James not likely leaving Miami, but he still wants a max deal

Jun 30, 2014, 2:59 PM EDT

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Here’s a surprising statistic: LeBron James has never been the highest paid player on his team.

Not in his final years in Cleveland (Zydrunas Ilgauskas) and not in Miami.

Now, he wants that to change. With Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and LeBron all opting out In Miami nobody around the league expects LeBron to bolt the Heat — he’s not even taking meetings with other teams. That said, LeBron wants to get paid, reports Brian Windhorst at ESPN.

Teams that contact James will be informed that he wants no less than the maximum salary number for next season, sources said. The max number is projected to be $22.2 million….

If James follows through with his demands for a deal starting at the full max number and the Heat also re-sign Bosh and Wade, then Miami will likely not be left with appreciable salary-cap space even if Wade and Bosh accept pay cuts.

However, there are scenarios where the Heat could re-sign all three players plus veterans Udonis Haslem and Ray Allen and still be able to use the $5.3 million midlevel exception, the $2 million biannual exception and a $2.2 million trade exception to bring in some new role players.

How flexible will LeBron be becomes the question. Would he take $20 million a year and have an opt-out after three years again? Still then it would take Wade and Bosh taking more like $15 million a year to give Pat Riley the ability to sign anybody of consequence, outside using just the exceptions at his disposal. If the Heat — more specifically if LeBron, Wade and Bosh — are serious about signing name free agents such as a Luol Deng or Pau Gasol (not to mention the more expensive Kyle Lowry) they are going to need to make some sacrifices.

My guess is the Heat’s three stars have already hashed out the numbers, at least in a rough form, and when they speak to Riley just after midnight they will lay out a coordinated plan.

Then it will be on Riley to do some recruiting.

  1. balsagna - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    INCONCEIVABLE. I have been told repeatedly that Lebron cares about winning and isn’t seeking a max contract. I don’t care what people tell me, if Lebron demands a max contract from Miami then that team will not be any better next year. Unless you think Wade and Bosh are willing to lose 5 million dollars a year.

    GOOD LUCK MIAMI.

    • southbeachtalent - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:21 PM

      Yea it’s not like he’s been successful in Miami or anything..

      • balsagna - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:23 PM

        Point being what exactly?

      • ranfan12 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:30 PM

        took less to get 2 rings in 4 years. good enough incentive considering he was basically the only person scoring. he’s earned his pay whereas wade and bosh taking less is the least they could do to make sure that happens

      • urallstupid - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:23 PM

        with the amount of endorsements that he has, im surprised he even gives a s*** about his nba salary and quite frankly he shouldnt. if he demands max money, it is only his ego talking. sure you’d want the franchise to show appreciation by paying you lots of money, but they could also show appreciation by using the 20 mil and signing 3 good bench players.

    • calkinsrob - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:26 PM

      Anyone who doesnt think lebron deserves max money is just a hater. hes had a track record of winning over money so i have no clue how anyone brings that up when ripping on lebron.

      • balsagna - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:30 PM

        Of course he deserves the max money. The heat are a playoff team and nothing more than that without Lebron. He is everything to that team. I find it funny because Heat fans have been telling me that James doesn’t need the max contract and he doesn’t care about that…he’s all about the team.

        If James demands a max contract, the Heat will be no better next year than this year. Their bench is always going to be the issue, and if you sign the big 3 back the Heat have no room to improve. Lowry? Hahah that’s funny…unless you think he wants to take a huge pay cut when he is getting his first big deal.

        He deserves max money. I am happy he is demanding it.

      • johnc44 - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:55 PM

        He deserves it and has every right to take it but in a sport with a salary cap he can`t take 22m and then cry about not having enough help.Miami`s big 3 made 57m last season while Duncan,Parker & Ginobili made 30m so the Spurs could afford a deeper team.The more he takes the less help they can afford so that is his choice and his right just don`t whine afterwards because as great as he is if the Spurs hadn`t missed free throws that he had nothing to do with or Allen didn`t hit the 3 he had nothing to do with he would be 1-4 in the finals with the help he`s had.

      • turnmymicup - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:23 PM

        Straight up.. This is the first time in his career that he is asking to get Superstar money. How can people question his ego if he has taken a pay cut before? I don’t want him to take a max contract but if anyone deserves one its LeBron. Pay the man Arison. Im sure Pat Riley has some tricks up his sleeve, he always does. Free agents will take pay cuts to play for the Heat. They’ve had the East on lock for the past 4 years.

      • realfootballfan - Jun 30, 2014 at 9:38 PM

        I know, lol. Dude who posted before you said he actually shouldn’t even care about his NBA salary. Yea, millions of dollars is nothing. Where do some of you people get this logic?

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:43 PM

      Well we don’t know what LeBron is seeking. We’ll see. But the Heat can still pick up the pieces they need regardless of what LeBron makes – he wouldn’t put Miami in a position where they can’t improve the roster because of his salary, that’s why he talked with Wade and Bosh. Basically, if these reports are true, he alpha dogged it, demanded order, and everyone fell in line.

      But yesterday he was getting criticized for not wanting to make what he’s worth just so he can load his team up with help. Today he will get criticized for seeking the max, even though he’s worth twice that.

      Miami wins either way as they get to keep the best player in the world.

      • balsagna - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:47 PM

        You already know what he is thinking and what his intentions are. If anything, your posts over the last week make it seem like you are writing his autobiography. I remember you posting specifically that Lebron doesn’t care about a max contract. Scared yet?

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM

        I only posted what LeBron himself said. And he said he didn’t care about a max contract. That wasn’t me saying it. That was him saying it.

        We’re only here talking about basketball, why would any of us be “scared” talking about player contracts? How old are you?

      • southbeachtalent - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:53 PM

        Soooo Windhorst’s report has been verified? We know for a fact LeBron wants max? And we also know for a fact that Bosh and Wade are not willing to concede whatever it takes to keep LeBron and stay a contender?

        Wishful thinking I guess…

      • balsagna - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:59 PM

        Lol, if Windhorst would have reported that he was signing for 15 million you would have had no problem believing that.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM

        I would only believe that after the deal was signed. Windhorst would tell you himself that he’s only reporting what he’s heard, and that what James actually does could be different (he expresses this in his article). He’d say that because of what happened in 2010, which caught him completely by surprise.

    • fseque83 - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:20 PM

      What finals did you watch or season for that matter. Wade is not getting anything over $10 mil and Bosh will be around the $15 mil mark. Lebron is so about winning and not caring about how much he’s paid that he has never been the highest paid player on his own team. It was right there in the article you might want to read it again.

      • turnmymicup - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:31 PM

        Exactly. Wade and Bosh need to take pay cuts. Im sorry but they are the ones that need to put their egos to the side. LeBron should be the highest pad in the league. Not only on his team. Pay the man.

  2. cgallegos92 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    If he wanted to prove he was about winning he would go to phx or chicago. Heat have nobody on that team but washed up all stars.

    • dls612 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:29 PM

      No matter who is there with LeBron the heat is better than any team in the east especially Chicago and the pacers you know the two teams everyone thought would be a problem for Miami! Chump!

      • balsagna - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        The only reason the Heat are the best team is because Lebron is on the team. You take Lebron off the team, and have Bosh carrying the team through the season as old man Wade rests his knees….well good luck with that.

        The Heat are the best team in the east because of ONE REASON and one reason only: Lebron James.

      • kinggw - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:14 PM

        There isn’t a sillier argument than the one you just made. Would the Thunder be elite without Durant? Even the Spurs would suffer without Duncan or Parker.

        Just about every team in the league becomes average or worse without their best player.

    • southbeachtalent - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:35 PM

      Of course.

    • kinggw - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM

      Phoenix isn’t ready to contend. They aren’t even close to it. They overachieved last year, behind career years from a bunch of guys who won’t be able to replicate they did. They aren’t the place to go if a free agent is looking to win now.

      • JHathwell - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM

        This is just wrong on so many levels.

        The team won because they put a system in place and went out and got guys who fit it well. Hornacek wanted to play balls out, run & gun ball and they gave him Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Gerald Green, The Morris Twins, Plumlee and P.J. Tucker, among others. On paper there isn’t a ton of talent, but it’s the right kind of talent to win in that style. The Heat won two titles with the Big Three and a bunch of role players. Phoenix is in position to put LeBron and Carmelo with Dragic and Bledsoe, as well as all the young athletes they have, including the three first round picks they had last year and the three more #1’s they have in 2015. That is a devastating team, far better than what Miami can be next year. And with Hornacek’s style, just imagine what a team with LeBron, Anthony, Bledsoe, Dragic and Plumlee would look like in the open court, I can promise you, we’ve never seen anything like it.

        In simple terms, imagine if Miami traded Wade, Bosh, Chalmers and Haslem tomorrow for Anthony, Bledose, Dragic and Plumlee. What would people be saying about the potential of that roster.

        Phoenix is the clear cut best destination for James, if he’s really serious about winning and cementing his legacy. Luckily for anyone who isn’t a James fan, it’s never going happen.

      • kinggw - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:56 PM

        Keep telling yourself that. All that system stuff sounds good but the very basic reality is that they overachieved.

        Miami was comprised of the big 3 and a bunch of role players, but Miami’s role players were players that have been in the league a while, have been all stars, have won playoff games. That’s a far cry from Phoenix’s role players who haven’t won anything. If you look at the league the last few years, you don’t win titles with young athletes. You win titles with savvy veterans.

        They don’t have a legitimate post presence. They aren’t great in the half court and they aren’t a great defensive team. What exactly makes you so sure they are going to continue to improve, the fact they have a bunch of draft picks. There is a good chance, that we’ve seen this team’s ceiling. If everything goes your way and you fall short of the playoffs your team isn’t ready for primetime. LBJ would make them better as he would any team, but they aren’t anything special. Next season they are going to be devastating right back to the lottery.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:42 PM

      Cmon. You know full well what would happen if James left Miami for any destination aside from Cleveland – he’d get completely skewered in the press/social media. It’s not happening.

  3. opinevain - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM

    He should be paid like the best player in the league, but who knows if he really wants a max deal? Opting out to sign a new deal?

    • soopreme - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:23 PM

      If Bosh cares about winning he should take a deal like Zach Randolph
      2 yrs 20 mil or 5 yrs 50 mil because if Randolph is worth 2 yrs 20 mil than Bosh isn’t worth any more than that.
      If Bosh doesn’t accept that then they should use that money to go get what you really need a center and another point.
      Wade should also take his money on the back end and spread his salary out.
      I’m not sure if Lebron will take the max but Riley should publicly offer him the max as a show of respect the same way the Lakers offered Kobe his money and let lebron decide what he wants to do.

  4. beastroid - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    Nice. LeBron isn’t under any pressure to take less than the max, taxes are the owners concern, not his

    • spursareold - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

      It’s not even a tax issue. I’m not sure that once they drop below the cap, sign everyone, and use all of their exceptions that they could even conceivably hit the tax plateau. It’s about putting together a better roster than the one that got steamrolled in June.

      • southbeachtalent - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:57 PM

        Steamrolled yes, 4 straight years of Finals appearances…. yes.

        2 championships in 4 attempts a failure? Not a chance.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM

        Any team Miami fields next year will be better than the team that played in Games 3, 4, 5 in the Finals. So that’s not an issue. The Heat just need to keep the Big 3 together. As long as they do that they’ll be fine.

  5. gpatrick15 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM

    He’s earned it, no? And as much as PBT and others insist that it’s 100% he’ll stay, if he doesn’t back down from his max deal requirement and Bosh and Wade don’t take as big a pay cut as expected, I can definitely see him leaving. Likely? No. But if he wants his max deal (again, he’s deserved it) and Wade and Bosh don’t take cuts big enough to ease pressure off of the salary cap, then he could leave for what he perceives to be a better situation. It all depends on how less Bosh and Wade take in their new deals. That $55 million in cap space could be gone quickly.

  6. southbeachtalent - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Reported by Windhorst? hahahahahahaha hahaha, I feel better now.

  7. 4thquartermagic - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Thought all he cared about was winning?

    Lebron’s basically holding the franchise hostage until the owner spends over the luxury tax.

    Not right or wrong, just what’s happening.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM

      Well how underpaid does he have to be for you to think that he cares about winning more than money?

      • 4thquartermagic - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM

        Tongue in cheek my friend. Obviously he deserves to get paid the most of anybody in the NBA.
        But getting the most $$$ isn’t how he got to 4 straight finals.

        Formula was: Take less money, join up with other players who take less money.

        Question: Why fix what ain’t broke?

        Answer: because Wade is broke.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:18 PM

        Wade isn’t broken. But the formula was actually “Big 3 take less money, join up with other players who take less money” and that is still the case. The distribution of money between the Big 3 has changed, but the overall effect is still the same.

      • 4thquartermagic - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM

        2010-2013:

        Everybody take less money to win.
        Owner signs off on the formula.
        Big 3 carry gang of cheap role players to the promised land.
        Lebron is happy.

        2014:

        Everybody take less money to win.
        Owner signs off on the formula.
        Lebron (by himself) carries a gang of cheap role players to the promise land.
        Wade is nowhere to be found.
        Lebron is angry points the finger at owner saying you didn’t spend enough.

        Should’ve been pointing at Wades knees.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:39 PM

        Wade was somewhere to be found. He had a very good year last year. He only played poorly in the last two games. But all of Miami’s guards played poorly in the Finals, not just Wade – and Allen, Rio and Cole do not have bad knees. Credit San Antonio’s scheme – they found a way to neutralize Miami’s backcourt.

  8. seansull83 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    That 55 is already gone. Best case scenario, Bron 20 mil, bosh 10 mil, Wade 10 mil. That leave 15 in the coffers, to possibly get something going, we will see though, perusing max is more of a tool to see how much Arison is willing to spend. If front office can’t make it work without LeBron taking less then it proves LeBron right that this owner isn’t about winning and is really about profit margin. He wants to be part of an organization that is willing to spend to win, we will see if he gets what he wants.

    • calkinsrob - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:33 PM

      doubt bosh and wade take that big of paycuts. but the second part of your comment I agree with 100%

      • seansull83 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:50 PM

        Me too that is why I prefaced best case scenario. This is about getting a team that can win, and as the best player in the league right now, you throw your weight around a bit. I don’t fault him, he did everything one man could against a team of 12. If they can get the space, pay the tax and get some people in place, I will be complaining about Miami for 4 more years. But I never bet against Old Money thinking about himself first.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:44 PM

      They would still have enough to sign a high-end free agent, or add players through a bunch of salary cap exemptions… or so I read.

      • seansull83 - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:08 PM

        From what I gather they need minimum 4 players, so going after high level free agent might not work. Again the money hasn’t posted so right now everyone can speculate but Nelson is available, not a bad player and a cheaper upgrade than Lowry.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:13 PM

        Well they’re landing the highest level free agent and another top 5 free agent, so maybe you’re right. But they still have room to go after another one if that’s what they wanted to do.

    • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:13 PM

      seansull83, in your example those three would total 40mil and the cap is projected to be about 64mil ish. That would leave about 24mil minus cap holds for any roster spots up to 13 minus whoever is under contract and minus any of their free agents cap holds unless they renounce them. It will be interesting to see what bosh and wade take. You can only exceed the cap to resign your free agents, you can’t fill up the cap with free agents THEN resign your own free agents that’s why they have cap holds and have to sign the big 3 first to see what they have to work with. The owner can be willing to spend like a drunken sailor but the cba will restrict him to some extent.

      • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:19 PM

        Also it’s confusing, you would think the big 3 talked before anyone opted out and discussed what amount each of them would be willing to take. If lbj did indeed say he wants the max you would think he told them first otherwise why would wade leave 40mil on the table if lbj might leave if the other 2 don’t take big cuts. One would think they all settled on the amounts after talking and before opting out.

  9. zoomy123 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Lebron James is making power moves. LOL! He’s got his hands around Riley and Arison’s neck while bogarting Wade and Bosh. But you can’t say we didn’t see this coming:

    LBJ in the ’14 playoffs: 27-7-5 + 1.9 steals a game while shooting 56.5% from the field and 40.7% from 3.
    LBJ in the NBA Finals: 28-8-4 + 2 steals a game while shooting 57.1% from the field and 51.9% from 3.

    LBJ is tired of Bosh averaging 11 and 5 rebounds and he was really disappointed in Wade during the Finals.

    • redbullenergydrink - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:13 PM

      Wow, he shot really well from 3 pt range in The Finals!

  10. calkinsrob - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    nothing wrong with this. The fact that lebron hasnt been the top paid player on any of his teams is ridiculous. If the heat get player values right both bosh and wade will take pay cuts and Lebron will get a little more. He certainly deserves it.

  11. redmond24 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    One day I’d like to see PBT just show a picture of Lebron and a couple paragraphs of Lorem Ipsum filler text and watch the haters still show up in the comments and spew their vile.

    • spursareold - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:39 PM

      bile

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 5:32 PM

        vile bile

  12. 88heatnation - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    He deserves every penny of the max.. stays healthy, versatile, very efficient and leads his team each and every night. If Joe Johnson, Kobe and Amare making over 23mil a year then this is actually a discounted price for the best player in the world.

  13. milimpilim - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

    Why are people so critical of him (and others) getting max deals? They’re the reason their teams are profiting as much as they are. The deeper into the playoffs the team gets, the more revenues. Miami’s recent competitive and financial successes justify ownership paying players their dues and going over the salary cap to do so.

  14. packhawk04 - Jun 30, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    Wade should accept around 5 million a year, its what hes worth now.

  15. seansull83 - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    All but LeBron shouldn’t have opted out. They signed a deal and delivered the desired results. The problem here is Arison. If he wanted this experiment to work he knew he had to pay, but now for it to work, the Big 3 have to give up more in order to put a team together. Wade deserves his 40 mil in 2 years not 50 over 5. Bosh, well I don’t think highly of Bosh. Regardless, Arison has been trimming where he can to save his money. This isn’t a slap at the character of the big 3, but why should they take less after 4 straight finals. They are doing it because if they don’t, front office won’t pay to make them contenders. Sad

  16. money2long - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    Once again the double standard annoying blind heat fans strike again.

    Criticize people for picking money over giving their franchise flexibility.
    Yet reports are out lebron wants every penny and they are ready to justify him to get DOUBLE of the max.

    Lmao. You hear fans are pathetic. Someone can do something wrong and if lebron or Mia do it, it is right.

    You guys need to fly to the sun and evaporate.

    • seansull83 - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:26 PM

      Kinda a different situation though. I am not a Heat fan or a LeBron fan. Pretty clear in most of my posts I despise the Heat. But LeBron took less initially to come to the Heat, got them 2 rings in 4 attempts and has been a monster. Now he wants his due, which I can’t disagree with. Kobe on the other hand is coming off a pretty serious surgery and says he wants to win, but doesn’t think twice about signing his ludicrous deal. Melo is looking for a pretty steep deal while missing the playoffs last year and coming up short in the playoffs the year before. It isn’t a double standard. If the Heat sucked with LBJ on the team for 4 years and he demands more money, then I can agree he is a greedy person.

      • money2long - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:55 PM

        Everything you mentioned has nothin to do with taking less to give the team flexibility which was my only point. The point is people criticizing players for crippling their team’s payroll, and nothing you mentioned helped disprove what I said. Heat fans are double standard.

    • billtetley53 - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:35 PM

      Money is just trying to justify his hero lobe taking a big contract and comparing itvto Lebron.
      The huge difference is that Lebron is 30, and still in his prime. Kobe is going into his age 37 and 38 years and injury prone. Kobe is in the twilight and should have taken less money.

      Pay no mind to the delusional laker fanbase.

      • money2long - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:52 PM

        Where did I justify anything.

  17. cantonbound13 - Jun 30, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    Hahaha!!! Hey bandwagon fans, tell me again how these divas are sacrificing to play together. Can you please also explain this “family” nonsense to Mario Chalmers & the other players that are being dumped?
    What a joke!!!

    • kevindoc593 - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:44 PM

      What team do you root for exactly?

      Because you seem to be on a lot more Heat Posts than any others.

      Now Are we just going to forget the last four years of which LeBron and Co. all took less money to play together? Are you of the opinion that you should keep players just because you have a family style atmosphere? Chalmers is good but if the Heat could upgrade that position why not?
      Who’s being dumped? They played out their respective contracts, if the Heat do not resign them is that not managements choice?

      Your comments are so biased no one takes you serious.

    • bkbell3 - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:29 PM

      canyonbound13 the players don’t exist in a vacuum and are big boys and understand it’s a business and the cba restricts doing certain things and sometimes players leave to get more money and at some point teams have to let players go. Wether it’s because they can’t pay them enough even though they might want to or their not worth it to the team at that time etc. players and teams have to make business decision that are best for them.

  18. spyder9669 - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    Phoenixs defensive efficiency last season was in the top 10. So much for your idiotic no defense comment

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:47 PM

      Phoenix was 13th in Defensive Efficiency at 103.8 points allowed per 100 possessions.

  19. kevindoc593 - Jun 30, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    Carmelo and Dwight force their way out of their original deals and cities take max deals and don’t get blasted at all for it.

    LeBron plays out his entire contract in Cleveland never complains, never blasts his own teammates, finally leaves and takes a pay cut to go to the Heat and he gets killed by everyone in the media and fans. Seriously? We going to really blast this guy again now that he wants to get paid what 10 years into his Hall of Fame career. You people are a joke and have double standards depending on who you like and don’t like.

  20. dablakdrphil - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    Dwayne Wade is old, I respect him as a player and as a father for what he does for his boys but unless D. Wade can truly get healthy again I feel he shouldn’t get paid anything more than 10-12 million a year. He’s not that kind of player anymore and it showed throughout the course of the season and the last two finals apperance.

    Bosh has been a complete No Show for most of the past 2 Finals apperances

    If these reports are true then Lebron should get paid max money while the other two should take paycuts. It’s Lebron who had to put this Miami team on it’s back to even reach the Finals and by doing that he looked mentally drained against the Spurs. The best player in the world should get paid the most. He will be 30 by the time 2015 gets here, he shouldn’t have to take a paycut anymore

    • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:59 PM

      Wade isn’t old. Duncan is old. Nash is old. Wade is only 32. No, his knees aren’t 40. He had an outstanding season last year – doing things no other shooting guard over 30 has ever done. His accuracy has reached insane levels, and this from a SG who was supposed to have lost all of his lift and burst.

      • kevindoc593 - Jun 30, 2014 at 8:26 PM

        Buddy, I’m one of the biggest Wade fans there is. That being said he’s old (not age but his style of play did damage to his knees), his knees are old.

        You do realize he was one of the few players that in college had his Meniscus removed from his left knee? This is a known fact. I’ve seen it over the last couple of season in game him just not being able to get the lift he used too. Not only that but his defensive side has suffered also. He was never one to run full speed back on Defense but the last two years have been even more treacherous than before. He’s still a good defender don’t get me wrong. I’m fairly positive he has more blocks at SG than anyone but still you cannot argue that he has lost a step, not if you’ve watched the last couple seasons.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 8:41 PM

        I’m not saying his game hasn’t changed. We all know it has changed. But he’s still very good. And he isn’t “old.” He’s older.

        Even MJ at 32 was nothing like the MJ at 28. It happens. Doesn’t mean Wade cannot be a great player for the Heat. He can and he will.

      • dyn0myte - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:13 PM

        I could totally agree with this statement,
        but,
        I watched the NBA Finals.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 30, 2014 at 11:17 PM

        Oh, so what were you saying before the final 5 games of the season?

        Wade played in 69 other games, you know – and he was pretty good. Better than Tony Parker, by a mile.

      • dablakdrphil - Jul 1, 2014 at 6:51 PM

        This guy swears he knows “everything”. Like I said Wade is old. His style of play which was always attacking is not there anymore because of his lift. His lift isn’t what it used to be. Not saying he can’t get it back but I can’t predict the future. I can only comment on what I’ve seen.

        Then you go on to say “He had an outstanding season last year – doing things no other shooting guard over 30 has ever done”

        Yeah Kobe Bean Bryant was putting up numbers no other SG besides MJ was doing before his Achilles tore so I find your statement funny.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM

        He doesn’t need his lift to be like it used to be – but he still enough to rise up and dunk on fools if they’re not careful.

        And here’s the difference between your Kobe comparison…. Wade did something that no SG, including MJ, has ever done. Kobe just did something that some other, superior player already did.

  21. brianjoates - Jun 30, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Watch the basketball world scream when we find out LeBron, Melo, Bosh and Wade have all signed with the Heat for 12-14 per season for 4 years, option for 5th. 8 consecutive finals appearances would be very impressive.

  22. rrhoe - Jun 30, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    I have read all these post and I will just say that Wade and Bosh got hosed!!!!!! I bet they regret opting out right about now……..

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