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Sixers GM Hinkie: Joel Embiid out 5-8 months. At least.

Jun 27, 2014, 4:58 PM EDT

Do not expect to see Joel Embiid play this season.

The Sixers were willing to let Nerlens Noel sit out a full season after tearing an ACL, you think they’re going to play Embiid play next season after he just got two screws in the navicular bone of his right foot?

The original timeline for Embiid was 4-6 months of recovery, but Sixers GM Sam Hinkie that is going to be more like 5-8 months, as reported by

“Timeframe — I’ve seen reported some 4 to 6 months — that’s not the number that I’ve heard,” Hinkie said. “The number that I’ve heard from the surgeon himself was 5 to 8 months….

“Guess what our approach will be? We will focus on the long-term health of the player,” Hinkie said. “We’ve had this discussion before. … It is all that matters, the long-term health of the player. Will we be smart about that? Of course. Will we be thoughtful about that? I hope so. Will we be patient? Yes. We will give him every chance to be as healthy as he can be.”

I picked the Sixers as winners in this draft and I stick by it — they got the one potentially transcendent star, a player who if he doesn’t reach that height likely still will be good. It’s a risk he never gets over the foot injury, but if you’re trying to build a future champion and not a future “49 wins and we made the second round” team then you need to take some risks. I like that they got Dario Saric as well, but again it is at least two seasons before he comes to the NBA. I feel for Sixers fans who intellectually understand what Hinkie is trying to build but are going to have to suffer through some more rough seasons to get there, but I like the path the Sixers are on. They are acquiring assets, the time to cash them in his not yet here.

  1. bkbell3 - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    It might work out for them but potential is a harsh mistress. Just ask portland about the last 5 or 6 years or so with the young team every year just ready to bust out, just give it one more year and batum will arrive,roy will be a superstar and oden will be the second comming of bill russell etc. It’s tough to ask the fans to wait year after year hoping these moves will pan out. And that’s if these two guys don’t have set backs. I hope both these guys get healthy so we can see what they can do and become in the league. I feel for the philly’s fans and i’m an knick’s fan.

  2. WillIEverSeeACupInMyLife? - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    He better not touch the court for at least another 364 days!!!!

  3. captainwisdom8888 - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Sixers fans may be disappointed with the prospect of tanking for a 2nd season in a row, and having guys like Embiid and Saric whom have to be waited on, but the truth of the matter is this: An NBA championship wasn’t in the cards for the 76ers no matter who they drafted last night…not possible. So the sooner Philly fans accept that, the sooner they realize that this does actually give them the best chance at formulating a winning team in the future.

    • TheMorningStar - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:45 PM

      You my friend are truly a captain of wisdom! That is a perfect explanation.

      Unfortunately there are too many morons (kb, i’m calling you out as an example) posting to this site.

  4. ravenswhat - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    When he, Noel and Saric are all 22 in a few years and potentially dominating the trenches, it won’t even matter. The sixers will get another star in next years draft as well. This team is going to be sick.

    • jerze2387 - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:18 PM

      And the nice thing is it’ll coincide with when the heat is on the decline in the east. In a few years bosh and wade will
      Be broken down, which opens up the east. They’re setting themselves up for a good future with good timing

    • sumkat - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

      Yeah, like Okafor….oh, wait, you can’t play 4 bigs at the same time and win?

    • dondada10 - Jun 27, 2014 at 8:45 PM

      Agree, Raven. I can’t wait to see what they become.

  5. cantonbound13 - Jun 27, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    2019 NBA contenders.

  6. sportsfan18 - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Kudos for the Sixers having and STICKING to their plan…

    Will it work out? Time will tell…

    but I like when teams, organizations state something, what they’re doing, why and then STICK to it and don’t let the wind blow them over when it changes direction…

    far too many do the CYA and act and say politically correct things.

    they have a plan and they haven’t wavered… I like that.

  7. saint1997 - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    Noël could become good trade bait to move up in a draft if she shows some promise, maybe he could even work down low with Joel (Noël and Joel). I’m not sure long term how Saric will fit but we’ll see

  8. fordmandalay - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    If the Sixers continue to tank it for about five more years, just THINK of all the great young stars they’ll have!!

    • ad23mvp - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

      Kind of like Cleveland. Oh wait.

  9. rajbais - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    I am getting vindicated. F’s all across the board.

    You need a winning culture. You don’t win overnight with losers. Your players don’t get better while sitting.

    Hinkie needs to go. Harris needs a real basketball guy, not a numbers cruncher like Morey or Hinkie.

    Did San Antonio “crunch numbers” to victory??

    • sportsfan18 - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM

      I would be very surprised if San Antonio did not have a fantastic number crunching guy within their organization.

      • rajbais - Jun 27, 2014 at 11:11 PM

        They likely have one, but it doesn’t overrule basketball evaluation.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:00 PM

      “Did San Antonio “crunch numbers” to victory??”

      Yeah, they kind of did.

      • rajbais - Jun 27, 2014 at 11:12 PM

        Not the way Houston and Philly are trying to.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 27, 2014 at 11:23 PM

        Morey, Hinkie and RC Buford are all MIT Sloan Sports Ana lytics Conference panelists. Buford said he would be hesitant to hire a coach who doesn’t consider advanced metrics.

      • rajbais - Jun 27, 2014 at 11:33 PM

        Considering is one thing. Making it the whole focal point of talent selection is another thing.

        Everything is always better when there is balance.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:48 AM

        I don’t think there is anyone in the league who makes it the entire focal point of talent selection. Not even Morey. Everyone balances it with something else.

        Pop first got interested when he found some data that supported him (which is basically how everyone falls for it), and the Spurs went from there. People suspected that San Antonio had been number crunching for a long time, but they have been very low key about it – up until recently.

      • rajbais - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:57 AM

        That’s fine. I just think that if you try to increase your win totals annually you’re a better team. Simplest way of winning without dismissing defense: have more points than the other team. They have sacrificed at least 15 points with Saric and Embiid gone for 2015.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:36 PM

        That is only true if you already have the core that you want already in place. If you don’t then it probably pays to not do that so you can acquire those pieces.

        Where would the Thunder be if they won more than 23 games the year after taking Durant? They’re lucky they didn’t improve.

      • rajbais - Jun 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

        But if you suck and you are among 25 of the worst GMs in the NBA you can’t gamble. You need players to contribute. They have nothing. What’s wrong with getting “qualified” guys? What’s wrong with low risk guys?

        Low risk players never hurt anyone. Look at the 1984 Draft. The 1995 Draft was WAY better than this one before the players even played.

        Indiana and San Antonio played it safe and didn’t depend on the lottery. Depending on uncontrollable events creates losers because you ignore development and it takes able and smart players to make a developed team.

        When you’re unavailable you are unable to be an able player because it takes availability to play.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:42 PM

        Who is low risk in this draft? They all have some risk. Embiid has the most potential to be truly dominant. I would not be complaining about taking a guy like him. In fact, I’m impressed that the Sixers did the right thing because you’d probably expect them to shy away from that considering what happened to Noel. It took some big onions.

      • rajbais - Jun 28, 2014 at 11:05 PM

        Low Risk? Jabari Parker.

        I never heard extreme concerns about Elton Brand, steve francis, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Vince Carter, Mike Bibby when they came out.

        That’s safe. You have to emulate that.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 11:09 PM

        Jabari Parker is slow and has issues controlling his weight. Wiggins has questions about his drive to be the best at every moment.

        Following your “safe than sorry” consultation the Cavs would’ve taken Melo over LeBron in 2003.

      • rajbais - Jul 1, 2014 at 1:35 AM

        You can always cut down on weight. Even during the season. Parker had 1 weight issue once.

        Plus, I never felt Carmelo was safer. I thought LeBron was because he was better than Amare Stoudemire as a draftee and Amare had immediate success out of high school. Plus, NBA players w/high school football backgrounds have success in the NBA because they know how to last throughout the year and take on physicality and had football craze to compete awesomely. MJ, Iverson, Lebron, Avery Bradley, Nate Robinson, and Glen Davis all found success.

      • rajbais - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

        How’s depending on the lottery helping Cleveland?

        It isn’t. You need guys who can play and are smart. Why? Because if you don’t win you’re fired. Brett Brown will be gone after 2016.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 29, 2014 at 6:04 PM

        Uh… pretty well… LeBron, Kyrie, Wiggins.

      • rajbais - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

        Basketball intelligence and health has always outweighed being a high consequence/high reward player (ie the 2001 high schoolers and Nikoloz Skitishvili in 2002).

        Being safe is not sorry. It’s correct.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:43 PM

        Maybe when you’re talking about proven NBA players – but we’re talking about guys who haven’t played a minute in the NBA. We don’t really know about their basketball intelligence.

      • rajbais - Jun 28, 2014 at 11:07 PM

        basketball intelligence? Yes we can. Can they do a lot of things on their own fundamentally? You can find that on tape.

        How many good decisions vs. bad decisions.

        What do they do when they’re on the floor determines their intelligence.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 11:12 PM

        It’s an entirely different game in the NBA. It’s not the same sport. It requires different thinking – different calculations – to accomplish the same things. We don’t know who from the college ranks will be able to make those calculations in the pros.

      • rajbais - Jul 1, 2014 at 1:42 AM

        I don’t agree on the calculations crap.

        I have stats requirements for each position and even my own metrics for them.

        The calculations that you can use are FGA per 36 min, FG%, 3 PT FG% for perimeter guys, and rebounds. Those kinds of stats stay consistent from game to game and really define who these guys are.

        Also, you have to see how their game gets onto the stats sheet too in order to evaluate responsibly.

        I personally think you make drafting too complicated. After GMs started stereotyping high schoolers, foreign players, and one-and-done players because of their NBA counterparts’ successes that’s why they deserve no more trust.

        Do it the old fashion way and rank the best players. Don’t do it by who is the youngest, the tallest, or practice any form of the Halo effect.

        GMs stereotype too much and that’s why drafts are poorly done and look inexcusably difficult. It’s not rocket science.

      • antistratfordian - Jul 1, 2014 at 2:33 AM

        What I’m talking about is the old fashioned way. I’m talking about the calculations a player has to make in his head in a split second while he’s playing, and being able to determine who can do that in the NBA. You can only reach that conclusion personally through observation and trust – there isn’t a stat that is going to confirm it for you.

        Drafting isn’t difficult. It’s a crapshoot no matter how you do it, so one method is as good as any other.

      • rajbais - Jul 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM

        It’ll only be good as long as there is no trend stereotyping.

        IE, Kobe came out of high school and so we’ll take Kwame Brown. Peja Stojakovic is doing well and thus we’ll take nikoloz tskitishvili.

        Also, only draft the guy if his scouted personality fits your organization and your team culture.

  10. geejon - Jun 27, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    If this year 76ers fan see a MCW that’s even better than last year and a Nerlens Noel that makes them remember why he was supposed to go #1 overall last year, then the year waiting on Embiid will be made easier. If MCW regresses and Noel looks lost, weak, or very average, things might get ugly. I certainly hope it’s the former.

    • fanofthegame1 - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:05 PM

      MCW is not going to get better until he has healthy NBA teammates.

  11. sumkat - Jun 27, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    Heard his interview on WIP today, sounded like a beaten man. Gotta feel for him, you cant convince me (not after hearing him today), that he doesn’t hate his job

  12. illegalblues - Jun 27, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    everybody, buy your season tickets NOW!

  13. patrickcody - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    If he takes the full 8 months to recover that puts his return around February. I think Embid will play next season.

  14. antistratfordian - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:24 PM

    They knock on Gortat’s door and Pat Riley answers it.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:26 PM

      oops, wrong article.

  15. officialgame - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    A dynamic Championship caliber team at the end of a long and winding road. Sweet Lord let me live long enough to see it.

  16. dolphins4 - Jun 27, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Getting Nerlens Noel back is like getting him as a 1st round pick for this year.

  17. clevelandrox - Jun 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM

    WOW! yall philly fans cool wit it huh? lol.. im angry and the sixers aint even my team…but if yall like it, i love LOL

  18. zinger92 - Jun 28, 2014 at 12:39 AM

    BIG PICTURE: they weren’t winning anything this year no matter who they drafted. Two years from now they will have MCW, Noel, Embiid (although I think one of the bigs will be traded eventually) and Saric, who is a basically the MVP of Europe at 20 years old, PLUS 2, IF NOT MORE, LOTTERY PICKS!! They got great value in KJ McDaniels (ACC Defensive player of the year) and Grant in the 2nd round. Two very long and athletic SF. I’ll watch my team grow from this tiny seed into a mighty oak tree in 3-5 years, and we won’t have to deal with free agency to do so. I love it.

  19. prostock75 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:24 AM

    Yes Philly fans are okay with it, 100%. As Kurt says, they are trying to build a great team, not a decent one. If this is what they have to do then I am cool with it

  20. drs76109 - Jun 28, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    Van we create a s how called GM Swap? Send Hinkie over to the Phillies…as for the Sixers, let em make Amaro do anything but get near the GM office…

  21. realfootballfan - Jun 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    I guess they didn’t learn anything from the Bynum disaster. Name one of these big guys who comes into the league injury prone that works out going back to Yow Ming? Guess that’s why they’re the Sixers though.

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