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Report: Ray Allen would like to play another year, ideally wherever LeBron plays

Jun 24, 2014, 5:19 PM EDT

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Ray Allen isn’t Jesus Shuttlesworth on the court anymore (although he always will be in my heart), the young prospect full of promise. He isn’t the elite, All-Star Ray Allen of Seattle anymore. He’s a role player off the bench. He played 26 minutes a game off the bench in the regular season and playoffs, shot 37.5 percent from three in the season, 38 percent in the playoffs. He’s smart and solid still.

However his skills are clearly declining at age 38.

That doesn’t mean he’s done — he wants to come back for another year, reports Brian Windhorst at ESPN. By the way, he would like to do that wherever LeBron James plays.

After briefly considering retirement following the Miami Heat’s loss in the NBA Finals, Ray Allen is leaning toward returning for a 19th season in the NBA, according to sources.

Allen has a desire to continue playing alongside LeBron James, whom he developed a close relationship with during their two seasons together in Miami, whether it is with the Heat or another team. James and Allen vacationed together last week after the Heat were beaten in the NBA Finals by the San Antonio Spurs.

Meaning Allen only wants to come back if he can contend. Can’t blame him there.

Allen is one of the best conditioned, most meticulous athletes in the game. Nobody wins the race with father time, but Allen can hold out longer than most. In a limited role off the bench he still has some value.

The question is money. Allen made $3.2 million last season, if he wants to make that or more I’m hesitant. But if I’m the team wherever LeBron lands at the end of this summer, and I can get Wade for a veteran minimum contract (or very close to it), I’d pull the trigger. Allen is great in the locker room and can still knock down the corner three nightly.

  1. antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    Smart move, Ray. Mo Williams said the same thing in Cleveland – that he wanted to play wherever James plays. Maybe he will try to do that now too.

    • kb2408 - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:45 PM

      How’d that work for him this year, anti?

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:50 PM

        Worked pretty well. There is no better Finals guarantee at the moment than playing with his boy Bron Bron.

    • cantonbound13 - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

      If he wants another ring he should call San Antonio.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:01 PM

        Eh… Nope. One thing we do know is that Miami won’t have any problem getting through their conference. You can’t say that about any other team in the league. SAS barely escaped the first round in the West.

      • cantonbound13 - Jun 25, 2014 at 3:18 AM

        Wow! You are clueless. They just destroyed your team in the Finals & you’re taking shots at them?

      • antistratfordian - Jun 25, 2014 at 4:27 AM

        That’s not a shot, it’s a fact. They in fact had to go the distance in the first round. When looking at the upcoming 2014-15 season, Allen would have to think about which team has the best chance of returning to the NBA finals. If LeBron is on the Heat, it’s Miami.

        This should be fairly obvious to just about everybody. The West is soooooo tough, remember? The East is so pathetic, right?

      • Rob - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:15 PM

        Yet that challenge in the first round is part of what made the SAS a well-oiled machine that dominated the Heat. It’s a well-known fact that teams which make it through more challenges getting to the NBA Finals win the Finals more often than those that have an easy ride.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM

        Rob : “Yet that challenge in the first round is part of what made the SAS a well-oiled machine”

        yeah yeah yeah… I wish the Spurs luck making it through again this year. They were fortunate the last two years because of Westbrook and Ibaka injuries. I guess that means Durant is next in line for a Duncan voodoo hex.

      • savvybynature - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:35 PM

        Yeah, San Antonio “barely” beat the Mavericks, only winning by 23 points in game 7.
        I’m sure Anti thinks the Spurs barely beat the Heat too, only winning by 15, 19, 21 and 17…. So close Heat fans! So close!

      • cantonbound13 - Jun 25, 2014 at 3:20 AM

        Anti is a moron

      • antistratfordian - Jun 25, 2014 at 4:02 AM

        @savvybynature – wait a second… you were the same people who were telling Heat fans that the 2013 ECF was “close” even though Miami blew out the Pacers in Game 7. Now you have different standards? How convenient.

        But you’re forgetting what we’re talking about here – the first round – a 60+ win team going 7 games in the first round.

        You Western Conference fans are the ones always talking about how much more difficult it is in the West… how all of the teams are so much better… how the 8th seed would be the 2nd best team in the East. So why are you attacking me for saying Allen would have a better chance of returning to the Finals (hence a better chance at a ring) by sticking with LBJ in Miami?

      • Rob - Jun 25, 2014 at 6:02 AM

        For my money, the SAS were the best team in the NBA if we’re going that route. The best return for the buck.

        “yeah yeah yeah… I wish the Spurs luck making it through again this year. They were fortunate the last two years” -Anti

        Sure. Keep underestimating them. Parker had injuries as well. Spurs still dominated OKC even when Ibaka came back. Pop made adjustments as he does and SAS responded. Teams that rely on a “big three” will always have trouble with a team that has as many scoring options as SAS…and their brand of basketball, which is unselfish.

  2. sportsfan18 - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Allen, for the right money, still provides good value.

    • sportsfan18 - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:01 PM

      Let’s see folks…

      $3.2 million to Ray Allen this past season…

      $12.4 million to KG this past season…

      Ray played 1,936 min’s this past season for the Heat.

      KG played 1,109 min’s this past season for the Nyets.

      Like I said ABOVE, for the RIGHT MONEY, Ray Allen still provides good value.

      The Heat got a MUCH better VALUE from Ray than the Nyets did from KG.

      Here are the dollars they made PER minute of court time this past season (regular season only).

      Ray Allen made $1,667.90 per each minute he was on the court.

      KG, on the other hand, made $11,220.68 per each minute he was on the court.

      yeah, the Heat definitely received much better value as both Ray and KG have slowed considerably and both of them had PER’s around 12 and 13 this past season.

      Ray scored 701 points this year for the Heat

      KG scored 352 points for the Nyets this year.

      Now, if some team is able to sign Ray for the veteran minimum or just a bit over that, it would be a good deal.

      OH, if KG plays again this season, it will be for $12 million even.

      I’m going to go WAY out on a limb her folks and say that if both Ray and KG play this coming season, even without know what Ray’s salary will be, whoever Ray plays for will receive a LOT more value than whoever KG plays for.

      • 22yearsagotoday - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:36 PM

        As always, your stats prove your point. I salute you!

      • pharohislife - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:39 PM

        What was the point of the KG/Ray Allen Comparison.

      • hannsta - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:13 PM

        As much as I too like arguments based in fact, notice that the stats he uses change. Last post he made, he compared players using the broad stat PER. I wonder why this time he chose to use minutes and points. While I agree with his overall point this time, he picked two very specific stats that would prove his point. Where is the PER this time? What about rebounds. Did you know Garnett provides almost double the points and blocks per minute and per $ that Allen does?

      • hannsta - Jun 24, 2014 at 8:13 PM


      • sportsfan18 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:23 PM


        sir, you asked what was my point of the ray/kg comnparison. in the article, the author said this… “In a limited role off the bench he still has some value.”

        I simply picked two OLDER veterans who have BOTH won championships and are now both role players.

        Value comes from two things, price/cost and what it does, is capable of. Any of us might go to a restaurant that is very nice and pay $75 for a meal and think we got a GREAT value.

        But, we could go to another restaurant and pay $50 for a meal there and feel ripped off and that we did NOT get good value.

        Many players in all pro sports would provide better value at $3 million instead of $15 million. But some at $15 million actually provide MORE value than the $15 million they receive.

        So, I simply was showing that Ray, due to his production and salary is a GOOD value.

        KG, while having a great career is no longer a good value at $12 million and especially for so few min’s a game.


        sir, I mentioned that both Ray and KG have slowed considerably and that their PER’s this year were in the 12 and 13 range (KG was the higher of the two, barely – but again, his salary MORE than negated that tiny difference in PER).

        I picked minutes because it illustrates VALUE for a role player well and the author was talking about Ray’s value. I just wanted to compare Ray’s value to another older bench player in KG. Both have championships and are HOF players too so it’s a pretty apt comparison.

        Ray only made a bit over $3 million. KG at over $12 did not play nearly enough to justify his salary or play well enough. I mean Tim Duncan played for $10 million and change this season. Tony Parker played for like $12 something million.

        Also, different stats can and should be used. There ARE many stats and they all need to be looked at. I tend to list too many. I could have listed even more but I simply felt that min’s, points and salary were more than enough to make the point that the writer was saying in his article that Ray offers good value.

        Now, if Ray was making $12 million last yr or next year, he would NOT be a good value, unless his PER was like 20.0 and he was playing 32 min’s a game etc…

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:00 PM

        I’m not so sure about that. Garnett’s defensive presence is more valuable than Allen’s three point shooting. The Heat would swap Allen for KG in a heartbeat – all things being equal.

      • sportsfan18 - Jun 25, 2014 at 1:20 AM

        KG moves like D Wade now.

        KG has had an awesome career… but he was torched on D this season…

        Simply due to Father Time…

        I mean, he still has the scowl going for him though…

        Ray can run all day…

        Oh, there are a lot of articles this past season on the decline of KG…

      • borderline1988 - Jun 25, 2014 at 10:15 AM

        All you’re saying is that Garnett is overpaid. I’m pretty sure every fan in the world knows and agrees with that.

        That doesn’t prove that Ray Allen provides good value.

  3. dudermcrbohan - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    Turncoattail rider.

    • 1historian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:25 PM

      What’s wrong with that? He wants to play on the same team as the best player in the world because he figures that is his best chance to win another ring and still make a couple million dollars.

      That works for me.

    • sportsfan18 - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:06 PM

      KG also left.

      OH, well BEFORE he left, when it was just being talked about, Kevin told a reporter something very close to this, “if it’s up to me I’ll stay in Boston for the rest of my career”

      I’m too tired to look the exact quote up, but it’s out there online.

      Uh, it WAS up to Kevin as he had a FULL no trade clause at the time (only 1 of 4 at that time).

      So, he rips Ray for leaving.

      Then he tells a reporter that “if it was up to him he’d stay in Boston” while it WAS up to him as he had a FULL no trade clause.

      Dude lost my respect then.

      He may leave like Ray did and he acted so darn childish. And he said he’d stay if it was up to him. Well, in case ya’ll don’t remember, the SAT’s in high school kicked his azz and that’s why he turned pro right out of high school. He was too dumb to get into college.

      Maybe that’s why he didn’t understand or comprehend that him having a FULL no trade clause meant it WAS up to him whether he remained in Boston when he told that reporter he’d stay IF it was up to him.

      It’s clear that KG doesn’t understand much…

      • papichulo55 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:33 PM

        You are an acknowledged Stat guy? So why don’t you use the fact that KG is the number 1 career earner in the NBA at appx $340 Million?! Surely that would help you show just how dumb he is……

  4. cheeks9441 - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    Wade for the veteran minimum? I think you meant Allen. Then again, after watching the Games 4 and 5, I’m not sure.

    • bkbell3 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:07 PM

      I was wondering is anybody caught this clueless writer on that. This season and up to the finals wade had a very good year and shot the ball well and this writer thinks he is going from 19mil to 1.5 mil vet. I mean wow. Yes he has lost some and had a bad finals as did all the head except lbj but the spurs had a lot to do with that. Again WOW and i guarantee he meant wade not Allen.

  5. zerole00 - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    “The question is money. Allen made $3.2 million last season, if he wants to make that or more I’m hesitant.”

    I think the money aspect was already decided when he turned down a larger contract from Boston to play for Miami (at half the price I think).

    “But if I’m the team wherever LeBron lands at the end of this summer, and I can get Wade for a veteran minimum contract (or very close to it), I’d pull the trigger.”

    I’m sure you meant Allen, but a lot of us are also thinking Wade shouldn’t get more than 10 Mil-ish given his current health and production level.

  6. kingperk123 - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    O. K. C

    • spursareold - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM

      Your immobile 3 point shooter just retired, didn’t he?

    • spursareold - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:04 PM

      I’m torn about an OKC move. On the one hand, I would LOVE for the Spurs to attack and exploit his non-defense when playing the Thunder. On the other hand, the LoB would be just THAT much sweeter having driven both Fish AND D’bag Shuttlesworth into retirement along the way.

  7. savvybynature - Jun 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Well if he wants to contend in a limited role and just knock down 3s, he should sign for the minimum with the Spurs.
    There is no other team that is more professional, a strong contender, and capable of generating as many open 3s for him (and covering up for his lousy defense).
    Is he still trying to chase rings now, or is he just chasing around Lebron?

    • spursareold - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:00 PM

      Spurs haven’t signed a role player over 30 to put into the rotation since Antonio McDyess in 2009. They learned that as their core group aged, they needed to put younger players around them.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:10 PM

      He has a better chance of winning again sticking with LeBron. The Spurs almost lost in the first round, remember.

      • spursareold - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:12 PM

        Nah, they were an illegal travel VC non-shot away from a 5 game series.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:16 PM

        7 games in the first round is a little hairy. Then you have to go through OKC again. Not to mention LAC or whoever else. With LeBron at least you know you’re going to be back in the finals. Not so sure with the Spurs.

      • asimonetti88 - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:13 PM

        Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:16 PM

        And free agent decisions.

      • spursareold - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:14 PM

        You can keep his AARP, walker using @ss on the Heat. Spurs don’t want him anyway.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:18 PM

        Take a deep breath and count to four. No reason to get so emotional.

      • asimonetti88 - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:18 PM

        The Heat were routinely blown out by 20+ points in a series they actually lost. Give me a close win in a series over getting run out of the building in a series loss.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:22 PM

        A 38 year old vet like Allen doesn’t have time to be worried about whether he’ll make it out of the first round in the West – which is a real possibility in that conference, obviously.

        I’m not trying to be a homer here, just thinking about it realistically from his POV.

      • kb2408 - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:47 PM

        Well, that’s because Dallas is a varsity team and probably would’ve made it to the Eastern Conf Finals. When the Spurs played a JV squad they curb stomped them. It was predictable.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

        Well there you go. SAS is going to have to try to get through it again for the third year in a row. Odds are against them. You’d have a better shot at a title sticking with James.

      • hickoryhigh - Jun 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM

        The odds aren’t against them. They are back to back Western Conference Champions and the reigning NBA Champions. The odds are clearly in their favor. Sure, the West is tough, but they are the best team in the league. That is not up for debate.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 25, 2014 at 4:37 PM

        The odds are against every team trying to go to the finals three years in a row.

        It’s really hard just to go in consecutive years – ask Pop.

        But OKC is still going to be favored by quite a few people to win the West – they have the best player in that Conference and two of the top 10 players in the league. A fully healthy OKC club would make any Spurs fan nervous – but a lot can happen between now and then.

      • jkirby317 - Jun 25, 2014 at 10:03 AM

        LeBron is gone.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 25, 2014 at 4:39 PM

        Even if that’s the case, Allen is going to follow him – which is smart. Ray knows what I know i.e. the team LeBron ends up on will have the best odds of making it to the Finals in 2014-15.

      • jkirby317 - Jun 26, 2014 at 10:46 AM

        Best odds are that YOU will be PRETENDING to be a fan of a different team next season.

      • hickoryhigh - Jun 25, 2014 at 5:02 PM

        If the odds are against San Antonio going to the Finals 3 years in a row then the odds are significantly more against Miami going 5 years in a row. Lots of teams have gone to the Finals 3 years in a row. Nobody has gone 5 times in a row since the 1961 (or 1966, depending on how you look at it) Boston Celtics. So history is on the Spurs side, even if the odds are against them. I guess it’s a risky time to be a Heat fan.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 25, 2014 at 5:35 PM

        Yes, it will be tough for Miami to go 5 years in a row. But the odds would be a lot worse if they didn’t have the best player in the game – arguably the greatest player of all time – who is in his prime – and if the East wasn’t in such disarray.

        The Spurs are still in a more precarious situation. Their most critical component is 38 years old and their stiffest competition – OKC – has two top 10 players (some say top 5), and another great defender, who are just entering their primes and who always give them problems.

        It might be different if the Spurs breezed through the playoffs – but they didn’t. They ran into trouble almost immediately.

        The way it works in the West is that you’re not exactly sure who is going to survive in any round.

      • hickoryhigh - Jun 26, 2014 at 8:51 AM

        Well, the Spurs did face some tough tests in the Western Conference playoffs. Interestingly, the Finals against Miami was their easiest round of the entire postseason. Of course, you could easily argue that by that logic, Dallas, Portland and OKC are all better teams than Miami. Which means even if Miami does get to the finals (which is statistically more of a long shot than San Antonio getting there), there are at least 4 teams that could beat them for the championship. If Ray wants another ring, he should move west.

  8. csbanter - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    This sort of validates why KG won”t speak with Allen anymore. He has accomplished too much to be riding coattails.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:11 PM

      Why is KG riding coattails in Brooklyn then? He’s not doing the heavy lifting there, that’s for sure.

      • pharohislife - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:42 PM

        What coattails? There’s no coattails to ride in Brooklyn.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM

        Wait a second… are you trying to tell me that D.Will and Joe Johnson aren’t superstars? Why are they making max money?

  9. 1historian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    James is safe doing this but if Bosh and especially Wade try the same thing one of them – Wade – and possibly Bosh along with him might be leaving town sooner than expected. Riley doesn’t take threats well.

    • sportsfan18 - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:20 PM

      Riley doesn’t take threats well?

      sure he does…

      He has his Depends on and plenty of oil in his hair (enough to withstand Hurricane force winds due to where he’s living).

      He’ll just roll out one of his patented (he like patents remember) challenges to whoever threatened him and then just smile… (OH, he’s smiling because he’s filling his Depends)…

  10. 1historian - Jun 24, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    OMT – I don’t know exactly what the free agent market looks like this year but if Bosh and Wade do opt out along with James a whole lot of free agents might take a pay cut in order to play with James, and sayonara to B&W.

  11. timcast12 - Jun 24, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Of course he has a chance to make it to the Finals again, he plays in the EAST! Wonder why the past Greats don’t give him praise? Play in the West Lebron, you won’t even make it past the 2nd round

    • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:08 PM

      Drexler just said LeBron is the greatest player in history. What are you talking about?

      But that’s my point – Ray would stay with James rather than go to San Antonio because a Finals trip is more of a lock.

  12. timcast12 - Jun 24, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Of course they’re not superstars? D-Will star, joe Johnson close enough. Come on, think a bit

    • naterich21 - Jun 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM

      D-Will was horrible, while Johnson carried the team most of the year lol

    • antistratfordian - Jun 24, 2014 at 11:06 PM

      That was sarcasm, timmy.

  13. mazblast - Jun 25, 2014 at 2:46 AM

    Let’s see if I have this correctly–LeBron has Dyane, Chrissy, and now no-D Ray (and in The Finals, no “O” either) as his tagalongs. Just how much of a roster is supposed to be LBJ and his entourage?

  14. seansull83 - Jun 26, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    Just sad how much respect I lost for this player over the years. The fact he left Boston, I can live with, but when he said the most important shot of his life was game 6’s 3, that was an insult. How can his first ring mean so little to him. If he wants to ring chase let him. We will see if he can make it back but don’t think it will be easy in the East, there are 3 young teams getting better, and they got something to prove.

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