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PBT Extra: What’s next for the Heat’s big three?

Jun 16, 2014, 4:22 PM EDT

Kurt Helin and Kay Adams discuss:

  1. money2long - Jun 16, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Everything hinges on lebron.

    • 00maltliquor - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:56 PM

      I actually think LeBron is in a sticky, can’t win, lose-lose situation.

      He stays with Heat:
      He probably will never win another ring again. They are definitely re-signing Wade. Wade IS the Heat. He’s the whole reason LeBron even signed there in the 1st place, plus that’s his best bud. You think James will re-sign if they cut bait with Wade? NO. I also don’t think Wade will take much more of a paycut. He’s taking no less then $12 millon per.
      Same thing with Bosh. Plus I can’t see them making him the odd man out, especially since they are all about family. So they are going to re-sign all 3 at no so much of a discount and will have little to use to sign any REAL help.

      He stays with Heat and everyone DOES take a pay cut:
      Let’s say the “Big 3″ DO take a pay cut and bring in more talent around James, Wade and Bosh…let’s just say for the sake of the story; Melo.
      EVERYONE AND THEY MAMA’S MAMA will chastise LeBron for “needing” so much help, when it would in all reality just be James and Melo, with 2 good role players. Wade and Bosh, no matter how much they suck now, will still be a big brand name, so it’ll look like to a lot of people that they are STACKED when it isn’t so much the case. And if they win more championships it will be; “of course they won, look at all the Superstars LeBron has”, and if they lose “LeBron’s a hack. He couldn’t do it with Melo, Wade AND Bosh!”

      He leaves:
      Oh Heaven forbid he leaves. It would be The Decision allll over again and people will not look at him the same. “He’s a ring chaser”, etc. etc. He probably doesn’t go this route cause I doubt he can handle the PR hit leaving a second straight team, even without a 2 hr. ESPN program. Plus he has it great in Miami. No state tax, beautiful women, great nightlife etc. etc. etc.
      But anyways, he leaves, he becomes the most hated great ever.

      • redbaronx - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:03 PM

        @00malt – I think there’s another scenario you haven’t considered. Wade retiring. I’m really afraid that Wade has something structurally wrong with his knees that’s going to force his retirement like Brandon Roy. We’ll see what happens this offseason, but I get the feeling that there’s something really not right. Wade is not THIS bad when healthy. They held him out for 30 something games and obviously he’s not holding up well.

      • 00maltliquor - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:09 PM

        @ redbaron

        I don’t see that happening. Wade just got trounced. He’s going to want to come back to redeem himself. He’s just not going to give up and quit just like that. Just like Brandon Roy and Greg Oden, he will (annoyingly) fight tooth and nail and we’ll see season after season of him trying to come back, get reinjured, rehab, wash-rinse-repeat. He’s not the type to just walk away just like that, so of course I’m not considering that.

      • money2long - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:55 AM

        Malt how mad would you be if pbt blocked that comment

      • 00maltliquor - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        HA! You already know! I actually wasn’t expecting it to go through but I still typed away. Plus it was gonna be longer with more points but I cut it “short”. You have no idea how surprised I was that it went through! LOL

      • money2long - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:56 AM

        Seems like they majority of the time block the ones where people put thought into and leave the ignorant ones up

  2. csbanter - Jun 16, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    D Wade has 6th man written all over him. If not this season next for sure. The Heat will probably go after Pau Gasol, and get a new starting point guard and bench help. Unless they make a splash South Beach will be quiet this summer.

  3. stoutfiles - Jun 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    LeBron leaves because Wade is done being a good player and won’t take less money.

    • antistratfordian - Jun 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      LeBron isn’t going to leave Wade because of two Finals games. They’re closer than that. And LeBron owes Wade one, quite frankly.

      I think Wade is going to take less money. I think all three of them are going to take less money.

      • adoombray - Jun 16, 2014 at 5:13 PM

        Nobody owes anybody anything in sports, and you have to figure that Wade would understand that it is business not personal.

        I have to laugh when people keep talking about a big 4 if they land Melo. Wade isn’t good enough to be counted in a “big” anymore

      • 00maltliquor - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM

        …or Bosh.

      • redbaronx - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:46 PM

        @antistratfordian – And you arrived at the conclusion that LeBron owes Wade one how? Please…enlighten everyone here on how you’ve arrived at that conclusion….

      • antistratfordian - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:50 PM

        It’s obvious. I don’t think that’s necessary.

      • redbaronx - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:53 PM

        @antistratfordian – It’s obvious only to you since you’re the only one who actually thinks LeBron owes Wade something. I’m not really sure what you think LeBron owes Wade, but LeBron doesn’t owe Wade jack.

      • jkirby317 - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 PM

        I think you are crazy.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM

        “Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

      • Rob - Jun 17, 2014 at 4:40 AM

        @anti, you should give credit for that quote – Jack Kerouac. Also, you should answer the question as to why LeBron owes Wade. Providing a quote that has nothing to do with the topic at hand isn’t helping your cause.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:20 PM

        The quote was in response to someone calling me crazy. That is my usual canned reply to that. And if some unlearned person wants to know who said it they can use google… or read your post.

        And, again, I can’t believe I have to spell out something so obvious to people when it comes to LeBron owing Wade a mulligan for these finals.

      • Rob - Jun 17, 2014 at 6:53 PM

        Well, if you can’t believe it, then don’t be so combative and just explain yourself. It’s really that simple. You never know, then they might agree with you. Problem solved.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM

        I shouldn’t have to explain myself. I really don’t care if people agree with me or not.

        I’m combative because I’m dealing with known Heat detractors who are challenging me on this only because they want the Heat to be broken up. They don’t want James to feel like he owes anything to anybody, and even more than that they don’t want people to think that James feels like he owes anything to anybody.

        But this ignores a pretty significant chapter in the James-Wade saga.

      • Rob - Jun 17, 2014 at 7:17 PM

        Why are you combative over something you have no control over? The market and their personal feelings will decide what happens next. You getting upset over questions you should supply easy answers to only increases your own blood pressure, so…carry on. But if you have good info, you should share it, just to keep people quiet. Otherwise, it simply looks like you are constantly avoiding the question….because you don’t have an answer.

      • antistratfordian - Jun 17, 2014 at 8:00 PM

        You’re getting the wrong impression. I do this every day. I’ve been doing it for years. This doesn’t raise my blood pressure or make me upset.

        I could care less about what people think. If I don’t want to answer something I won’t. Especially not if I feel like someone is playing games with me, which in this case they were trying to.

      • Rob - Jun 17, 2014 at 8:54 PM

        If you don’t care what people think, then why keep posting? If this is only for your own benefit, then why choose a public forum? If you know how great someone is, and you don’t care if people think the way you do or not, then by your own admission, there is no reason for you to spend all the time you do posting. I’m not trying to ruffle your feathers, but your not being logical or honest about your motives.

  4. hwatt - Jun 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    they’re not the big 3. It’s Lebron and the Heat. Wade is the 6th man. Wade and Bosh take steep paycuts, since they’re now clearly average players, or gtfo

  5. cantonbound13 - Jun 16, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    You can start with not calling them the Big 3. Duncan, Parker & Ginobili deserve that respect.

  6. unclemosesgreen - Jun 16, 2014 at 4:57 PM

    We’re parting – so you go your way & I’ll go mine/it’s best that we do

  7. montrealknowledge - Jun 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    Agents and player’s union might have a little something about 3 top players purposely keeping salaries low. Every player will get money below that LBJ for next couple of years. There will be a lot of pressure to get a top salary.. Maybe Wade could get away with it, cuz he’s falling off.

    • redbaronx - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:50 PM

      @montreal – Agents and the player’s union can talk, but there’s no action they can take. Players have every right to decide what salary they will or won’t take as long as it is above the minimum salary set for Veterans, Rookies, etc.

  8. bougin89 - Jun 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    I really don’t see Lebron leaving. What situation is better for him than being in the East on the Heat? Everyone is quick to bash Wade but he was still(at a minimum) arguably the best shooting guard in the East. Bosh is still one of the best bigs in the East. If anything they may need to move away from their small ball lineup, at least more than they do now.

    I mean they still just made the finals it’s not like they were ousted in the first round.

    • mazblast - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM

      Wow, I’d like to take whatever you’re on–once.

      Wade is toast. His knees and overall aged body won’t let him do what he once was able to do. For “the best shooting guard in the East”, he sure shot like garbage this eyar and especially in the Finals.

      Bosh? He never qualified as “big”. He’s just one of those tall guys who’s in love with his mediocre jump shot and isn’t willing to do the inside work someone his height is supposed to do.

      What this alleged team needs is (a) humility; (b) a big man or two who plays like one; (c) a true point guard, so the best weapon doesn’t have to be the ball handler, too; (d) bench players who can fill roles and not just spots on the floor; and (e) a wakeup call. Stern isn’t in charge anymore and the refs won’t run to their rescue.

      • bougin89 - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM

        “For “the best shooting guard in the East”, he sure shot like garbage this eyar and especially in the Finals.”

        He shot garbage this year? That’s really misinformed. He shot 54.5% from the field this year…

        He absolutely had a garbage finals but the point is who is really an upgrade over Wade at shooting guard in the East? Stephenson?

        Bosh never qualified as a “big”. That’s just laughable. I think the Heat should go away from their small ball lineup and move Bosh to the 4 but he’s definitely a big, you don’t really believe otherwise.

  9. tomtravis76 - Jun 16, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    LeBron needs another reliable scorer. Wade and Bosh helped him get two rings, but they did not pull their weight in this arrangement.

    • heat256 - Jun 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM

      I’d argue they need a rim protector/rebounder and a PG that can defend and hit the 3 consistently. A good wing defender couldn’t hurt either. I can imagine asking Wade to come off the bench may not go over so well. Great players sometimes have the hardest time making adjustments like that. He still has tremendous pride, even if it’s obvious a reduced role may be best for him and the team in the long run, and may actually enhance his legacy.

      • mazblast - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:50 PM

        They need those things–but can they PAY for them?

      • heat256 - Jun 17, 2014 at 7:17 AM

        That’s the million dollar question. If there’s a collective sacrifice, yes. If one or more of the Big 3 leave, then who knows what the team will look like?

  10. progress2011 - Jun 16, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    I hate to pile on BUT the reason companies, teams or even the military remain on top and successful is because the CEO/ Commander in Chief has the “FORESIGHT” to identify opportunities to UPGRADE.

    Ex: The mullet rifle was all the craze of its day. But upgrades had to be made because it simply could no longer meet the changing demands……A.K.A – D.Wade and Bosh

    A “Modern Day” big 3 I’d like to see LBJ be UPGRADED with is:

    1. Trade Bosh for MELO
    2. Trade Wade for DeRozan (I know the numbers don’t work as they are currently. But Wade is due for a BIG paycut).

    Melo and DeRozan can get their own shot and knock down a shot when LBJ kicks it to them.

    DeRozan is a Better defender than wade, healthier and at this point in Wades career….DeRozan has more upside.

    As far as the bench is concerned, I’d like to keep BirdMan at or slightly above the league minimum. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if the rest of the bench was TOTALLY cleared out to make obtaining Melo and DeRozan work.

    Pat Get to WORK!!!

    • heat256 - Jun 16, 2014 at 8:53 PM

      I doubt either Bosh or Wade would agree to that, and why do it if Riley can convince them opting out to take less is better for them and their chances to keep winning in the long run? Wade will sure as hell not opt out to take less AND accept a trade to TOR. He’s not stupid or crazy. I would have to say to nuclear option is LBJ looking to leave and the Heat doing a S&T to either LAC for Blake or CLE for this year’s #1 and whatever bad contract they want to unload. Do I believe that will happen? No. The Clips’ ownership worries will probably keep him away from there and CLE is CLE, so that’s a small chance at best.

    • redbaronx - Jun 16, 2014 at 10:57 PM

      @progress2011 – Seriously??? Trade Bosh for Melo? And you think the Knicks would do that trade because they’re complete idiots? Granted Knicks management has made some blunders in their time, but they’re not THAT stupid!

      Ditto for Wade for DeRozan. Why not just trade Wade for Kevin Durant while you’re at it?

    • jkirby317 - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:40 PM

      Good idea pretend GM. “We could always go into settings and turn off the salary cap and control 3 teams. This way the HEAT can get MELO for black Troy Murphy and we can swap what’s left of Wade for DeRozan.”

    • mazblast - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:53 PM

      That’s what you want, but that’s not what you’re going to get. Heat fans, like those of the Lakers, Cowboys, and Yankees, think they’re always going to get what they want because they want it, ignoring little details like the other guys agreeing to it or having anything near comparable value to offer.

      The Heat have no cap space, no young talent, and low draft picks–so what do they have to offer in trade?

  11. mackcarrington - Jun 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    I don’t think wade will take less money and he definitely isn’t going to settle for coming off of anyones bench.
    Much too proud of a player for any of that. As for all of them, they can say they already took less money to get together in the first place. To ask them to do it again will be considered insulting. Pride goeth before the fall.

    • mazblast - Jun 16, 2014 at 11:57 PM

      If Patty Riley is as smart as the media portray him to be, he’ll say, “Hey, you’re getting older, you can’t do what you used to do, and if you insist on this money, we can’t add the pieces we both know we need to keep contending. So you decide–Less money and more help, more money and the team slides out of contention.” Go ahead and “insult” them, even “disrespect” them–but don’t give them the max money.

      Of course, those of us who loathe the Heat would LOVE to see them have the corpse of Wade and “I’m not going in there” Bosh re-up at max money.

  12. 1historian - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM

    Who would want either Bosh or Wade for the money they probably figure they deserve? The Heat got 4 years out of their little play and now it’s done. Neither Bosh or Wade distinguished himself in the finals and that’s where you’re supposed to EARN the big money.

    The 5th game was the best demonstration of this – Completely predictably LBJ came out on fire and put up incredible numbers in the 1st quarter, then he ran out of gas and the completely predictably the Spurs caught up and pulled away.

    Where were Bosh and Wade? When your team is facing elimination you’re supposed to STEP UP.

    Did either of them do so?

  13. bobbybouche305 - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Easy fix….all opt out…..a few dollars less…..g.monroe, lance stephenson, and Shaun Livinston at point…younger, cheaper (ugh please no melo), longer, and that d looks sick all the sudden….monroe 5, Bosh 4, Bron 3. Stephenson 2, Livingston 1…..Wade take Manu role, m miller,Jesus 1 more year, Beasley min,bird min,ud min,innis min.

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