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Report: Bulls will try to trade Carlos Boozer before considering amnesty

Apr 30, 2014, 11:07 AM EDT

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Does Carlos Boozer hold positive or negative value?

By that, I mean would any team absorb Boozer and his contract ($16.8 million next season and then expires) if the rules allowed? If yes, he has positive value. If not, he has negative value.

The answer could determine how the Bulls handle Boozer this summer.

Marc Stein of ESPN:

You continue to hear rumbles that Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf is adamantly against the idea of setting Boozer free via amnesty

Sources briefed on Chicago’s thinking say the Bulls are going to do everything they can to try to find a trading partner for Boozer before seriously considering the amnesty option.

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For the Bulls to land Carmelo Anthonytheir mutual interest has been reported throughout the season – it would almost certainly mean dumping Boozer.

If Boozer has positive trade value, it shouldn’t be hard to find a taker – maybe even the Knicks in a sign-and-trade – if Chicago wants to free the cap room for Melo or any other free agent.

But if Boozer holds negative trade value, the choice becomes much more complicated.

Amnestying Boozer, if done to improve the team,* would be expensive. Reinsdorf would have to pay Boozer his $16.8 million salary and spend that freed money on a replacement. Essentially, he’d be paying double for one roster slot.

*Even if amnestied, Boozer’s salary paid by the Bulls would continue to count toward their salary floor. So, theoretically, they don’t have to spend money on a replacement. But then what’s the point? Why not just keep Boozer?

The alternative would be attaching a sweetener (a draft pick or player with positive value) to entice another team to take Boozer off Chicago’s hands.

The Bulls’ basketball people would surely prefer to amnesty Boozer. They don’t want to lose an asset to avoid paying him. His salary doesn’t come out of their checks.

But the bean counters might see it another way, preferring to save $16.8 million – and maybe even a little more by trading a first-round pick in the process.

If they can’t trade Boozer without attaching a sweetener, it might be up to the Bulls’ basketball people to persuade the bean counters the move is worthwhile despite the immediate added cost.

Maybe a marketable player like Melo helps the Bulls recoup that money.

  1. calkinsrob - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Please just get boozer out of chicago.

    • TheMorningStar - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:44 PM

      Ainge and the Celtics will take him in exchange for Gerald Wallace and Joel Anthony.

      Sorry Bulls fans vut that’s the best offer you’ll probably get.

      • calkinsrob - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM

        I doubt well get any great offers, i just hope Reinsdorf wont be too cheap to amnesty him. He is such a huge defensive liability and at this point Taj is almost better than him offensively too. Were better off without him, and itll be worth it even though theyll have to pay him 16 mil to leave.

      • casualcommenter - Apr 30, 2014 at 5:19 PM

        …It makes no sense for the Bulls to trade an expensive expiring contract for two contracts that combine to nearly the same amount next year but also last longer (Wallace has $10.1 million due for the 2015-2016 season).

        Teams don’t take on expensive long-term salary in salary dumps. Try again.

      • Kevin S. - Apr 30, 2014 at 5:21 PM

        They can pay $16.8 million to make him go away (less any bid a team makes in secondary waivers), or they can pay $24 million for basically no production. Hmm, which would you choose?

      • TheMorningStar - May 2, 2014 at 6:50 PM

        As a celtic fan, i’ll take Boozers’ contract. What else would you expect?

      • adoombray - May 3, 2014 at 12:47 AM

        Wallace is the second most untradable contract in the league. The only guy who he is moving for is Josh Smith, and, I mean, as a C’s guy who can literally see the stadium from where I’m typing to you from, no thanks, I’ll take Wallace’s hustle and try-hard. the guy has almost no game left, but he’s an underrated influence on the youngsters with his professionalism and 0 complaining about his role or being on a bad team ; plus Wallace definitely played way harder than Rondo did this season, trying harder even long after most of the team was just waiting for the season to end.

      • TheMorningStar - May 5, 2014 at 10:13 AM

        Sorry friend, I watched every game this season and Wallace DID NOT play harder than Rondo.

        While Wallace did play hard, he was also semi-petulant about his role on a rebuilding team.

        Other than that glaring mistake, i agree with you about Wallace having nothing left in the tank. My point being tgat the only way to move Boozer is to take back another untradable contract.

  2. spthegr8 - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Good Luck with that Chicago!!!

    • jeffkx - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:33 AM

      I hate to say it but I could see my Cavaliers doing something like this. If/ WHEN all the top tier free-agents turn the Cavs down I could see us saying “We’ll absorb Boozer if you throw us a 1st round pick”. Similar to what Golden State did with that Russian center and Richard Jefferson this past season.

      • lj312chicago - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:37 AM

        I love message boards…its the place to come to give away other teams 1st round picks…..THE BULLS ARE NOT GIVING SOMEONE BOOZER AND A 1ST ROUND PICK ……just to clear cap space….this isn’t a video game think with your head already…….

      • campcouch - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:49 AM

        Nah,I remember when Boozer pulled the okie-doke on the Cavs. He agreed to re-sign and continue playing with LeBron but decided the extra year that Utah offered was more important…which was his right. But I’d put that a notch below the “Decision”.

      • jeffkx - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:02 PM

        @campcouch

        Trust me, I remember Boozer. But also remember that the Cavs did a sign and trade with Miami to get two 1sts after LeBron kicked us in the nuts. So it’s not impossible.

      • jeffkx - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

        @campcouch

        I agree it’s not likely. But if no FA wants to sign with Cleveland and we are sitting on $25m in cap space, I don’t think it’s impossible that we call Chicago and ask for a first to take on Boozer so the Bulls can sign Carmelo. Like I said with Miami and LeBron, stranger things have happened. And if we did trade for Boozer, I bet we would buy him out before he even got to Cleveland.

      • spursareold - Apr 30, 2014 at 2:22 PM

        “I love message boards…its the place to come to give away other teams 1st round picks…..THE BULLS ARE NOT GIVING SOMEONE BOOZER AND A 1ST ROUND PICK ……just to clear cap space….this isn’t a video game think with your head already…….”

        Teams that will take on a contract without sending one back won’t do it for free. Neither one of CHI’s picks is in the lottery this year. Renting a team’s capspace, even if it’s only for a year, isn’t free. OKC leveraged this type of thing frequently when their three young players were on rookie deals. That’s how they got Ibaka, or the pick to select him. San Antonio sent the first round pick that became Ezele to GS for paying two years of Richard Jefferson’s salary and sending Stephen Jackson, who only had one year at that salary ($11M), back in trade.

    • lj312chicago - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:33 AM

      no contract in the NBA is untradeable…..or do you not follow the NBA….Wallace, Humphries, Bargnani….this is the same league that pays near max DOLLARS…..for Josh Smith and Joe Johnson…..the same league that has paid Andrew Bynum 3 times in 3 years when he can’t pay basketball…….LOL Lamar Odom is on the comeback…it’s the NBA and as big as a FING bum a carlos boozer is….he still averages 16 pts and 8 rebs and half the NBA would take him on their roster for the right price.

      • jeffkx - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:45 AM

        Name me a team willing to take on $16.8m that wouldn’t have to trade comparable salary back. (Example: If you said the Knicks you’d be wrong. The Knicks are over the cap and would have to send close to $17m back in salary..which would defeat the purpose of the Bulls trying to clear cap space.)

      • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:54 AM

        @jeffkx

        Easy, Philly

        They could eat Boozer’s contract with plenty of room to spare…..they would require a pick (or picks) to make that deal though, they aren’t going to do it out of the goodness of their heart (especially since they would most likely buy him out ASAP)

      • jeffkx - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM

        @sumkat..

        I said the exact same thing as that. We are saying the same thing..like I said..the team trading for Boozer would want something back.

        jeffkx – Apr 30, 2014 at 11:39 AM

        No team is going to voluntarily take on Boozer’s $16.8m contract without getting something back. You can stomp your feet and throw a tantrum, but it’s the truth.

        .

    • jeffkx - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:39 AM

      No team is going to voluntarily take on Boozer’s $16.8m contract without getting something back. You can stomp your feet and throw a tantrum, but it’s the truth.

      • lj312chicago - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:52 AM

        stomping my feet? How did I do that? …..I simply said no contract is untradeable…and it’s cute that someone thinks that the Bulls would give someone Boozer and a 1st round pick to clear cap space…when we could just amnesty him……why the hell would we give away Boozer and our 16th or 19ths pick in the 1st round this year? .

        …once again…message boards…where you can make stupid trades and give away teams 1st round picks….keep dreaming….besides. …the last thing Cleveland needs is another 1st round pick lol

      • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:55 AM

        @lj321chicago

        Do you not read anything? “why on earth”? So they can sign Melo (or some other max FA). It’s not happening with Boozer (or a comparable salary) on the books. It’s not rocket science

      • spursareold - Apr 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM

        Amnestying Boozer doesn’t relieve Chicago of the responsibilty to pay that $16.8M salary, it just takes him off their cap/tax figures. If you want someone to pay that salary, you have to make it worth their while. Just think of it as selling a mid first rounder for $16.8M.

    • 00maltliquor - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM

      I know right! Who in their right mind will trade for Boozer knowing full and well that the Bulls will just end up amnestying him anyways.

  3. azarkhan - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    “You continue to hear rumbles that Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf is adamantly against the idea of setting Boozer free via amnesty”

    Duh, who didn’t know that?

  4. bougin89 - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    He would be the perfect awful fit for the Lakers with D’Antoni…

    • chunkala - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:54 AM

      Ugh. I know, right.

    • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:02 PM

      Isn’t Boozer just a not as good version of Gasol? I dont think of him as a guy that lumbers up the floor, but I don’t think of him as the kind of guy that’s going to be running the floor all night either

      • bougin89 - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        Boozer is more of a pick n pop/face up player than Gasol is. Gasol is much better with his back to the basket and like you said, just much better.

      • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM

        Don’t get me wrong, I would LOVE to see him to go to the Lakers. If not just to see Kobe’s head explode when he found out that was their “big move”

      • therealhtj - Apr 30, 2014 at 3:38 PM

        At 16.8, no one’s picking him up. As a amnesty pickup at around vet’s minimum? Sure, why not?

      • ranfan12 - Apr 30, 2014 at 6:20 PM

        lol kobe might retire immediately

    • 00maltliquor - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:08 PM

      @ bougin

      We don’t need another C. We need more wing players.

      • bougin89 - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM

        I know, that’s why he’s the “perfect awful fit” as in wouldn’t fit at all. At least while D’Antoni is running the show for the Lakers…

      • 00maltliquor - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:21 PM

        lol, I got you, but I think you missed it brother.

        All we had was wing players, a big would be welcome. But since it’s D’Antoni, he would turn 6”8-6”9 Boozer into a C. A truly perfect awful fit would be another wing player.

      • bougin89 - Apr 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM

        Ah yes, I see now. I feel bad for you being stuck with D’Antoni. I just don’t get how the Lakers can continue on with him.

  5. icanhazblogs - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Could the Bulls move him to the Knicks in a sign and trade and give the Knicks a first round pick this year?

    • sonnysuave - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM

      The bulls could do that… if Phil were to take it. Highly doubt it’s an option for him, since Phil is defensive-minded.

    • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM

      I don’t see how the salaries would match, unless it was Boozer for Amare or Bargnani….and why would Chicago want either of them? To be in the same position with a player by a different name?

    • spursareold - Apr 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM

      Bulls want no salary back, so no, the Knicks cannot accomodate that.

  6. jzone954 - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    This team went from the team everybody was giggling about on this forum some 4 years back that would “take out” the Miami heat…..to this….

    • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:49 AM

      4 years ago, LeBron was still playing for Cleveland, so no, nobody was saying they would ” take out” the heat. The heat didn’t matter yet. His first season in Miami was 10-11…oh, and they lost to Dallas that first year

  7. sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Boozer and a the Bulls first, and Philly will eat that money (and probably buy him out)

    • heat256 - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:16 PM

      You would make a God awful GM. Hell, you make Ted Stepien look competent.

  8. campcouch - Apr 30, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    no one is going to trade and rent Boozer for a year. it’s also a bad business move by the Knicks. It’d be better to just trade Melo (if he wants to leave),for draft picks. Why pay another backend player more money and continue the legacy of bad contracts. don’t get me wrong,Boozer is better than a large portion of PFs in the league,but not someone to build with.

    • sumkat - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:00 PM

      again, philly would do it. Not for Boozer, but for a pick. I doubt Boozer would be around by the time the season started, they’d buy him out and he could go where he wanted. But with 1 year left on his deal, they have the cap space to spend, and he’ll be off the books by the time any big time FA would consider signing in Philly.

      Philly is all about getting picks right now, especially if they can do it for adding guys they won’t play with 1 or 2 years left on their deal

  9. haaaaasoooooo - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    guys, guys, GUYS! Any one would gladly take Boozer, IF…….he puts that shoe polish back on his dome as fake hair! The marketing would have endless possibilities! And I think the bucks trade OJ Mayo for Boozer. That’s an apples-for-apples trade!

    • 00maltliquor - Apr 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM

      Doc Rivers has shoe polish hair

  10. bknowledge - Apr 30, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    I’d like to see the Knicks sign and trade Melo for some picks…
    Or sign a cheaper deal in NYC 15-18 mil…
    but if that doesn’t happen, I’d like to see Melo sign with Cleveland. Cleveland can offer max money.
    Carmelo + Kyrie + Defensive minded role players + 1 guy that can score off the bench = Championship contender…
    Carmelo and Kyrie would be a top 5 scoring duo in the league…argueably the best…they score from different spots…
    I am not a Cleveland fan per se…but I think this combo would work and the league needs more good teams…
    I don’t see Carmelo and Rose as a good pairing…Rose needs driving lanes/Carmelo clogs the paint…

    • therealhtj - Apr 30, 2014 at 3:41 PM

      Save for the fact, that Melo wouldn’t ever step foot in Cleveland (save for road games), it’s a great plan.

  11. suckit619 - Apr 30, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Reinsdorf being cheap again….

    • lmoneyfresh - May 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

      Reinsdorf being smart with his money again….

  12. lbeezyse - Apr 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    At least you Bulls fans are a little more practical than the Lakers fans. If Boozer was LA’s problem this chatboard would be full of Love for Boozer straight up comments. Maybe they would throw in a bench scrub and a 2nd rd pick if the Wolves were lucky. Word on the street is that the Wolves and Love are talking extension. Can’t wait to see LA and NY’s head explode.

    • therealhtj - Apr 30, 2014 at 4:16 PM

      You Wolves fans are really dumb enough to believe Love would sign an extension right now?

      Basically agreeing to take 3 yrs now to stay on a team without a coach or the ability to attract free agents vs. 5 if he resigns as a FA or 4 if he bails on them is NEVER happening. So keep drinking the Kool-Aid Minny fan, but it’s a warm day in Winter over there before Love signs an extension.

  13. emdawt - Apr 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    Go ahead and make the mega deal – Noah, Boozer and parts (Dunleavy, etc) for Carmelo and Tyson Chandler.

    Knicks can transition to the triangle and the Bulls can compete against the Heat/Pacers/Nets

    • jerze2387 - Apr 30, 2014 at 6:58 PM

      i wouldnt trade Noah straight up for melo and chandler. noah is a LEADER, the heart and soul of that team, and productive as heck. hes not going anywhere.

  14. csbanter - Apr 30, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    Everything the Bulls have planned centers on the guy that wears uniform #1. These past 2 seasons which should have resulted in at least an NBA finals appearance have gone down the tubes. Getting rid of a guy like Boozer is just window dressing.

    • jerze2387 - Apr 30, 2014 at 7:03 PM

      Personally, id like to see Boozer take #1 out of town with him. The amount of money thatd clear up from non productive roster spots (and i dont wanna hear what rose’s potential is. 1, hes not going to be the same after knee injuries. 2, hes demonstrated over and over again he doesnt have the heart to be the leader he was thought to be, and 3, potential doesnt win championships. production does. and hes provided NONE the last 2 years).

      That money could be used to rebuild. Plus rose on the block would bring a big offer, and you just say “if you want rose, you take boozer too”. then might actually get a decent return.

      • chicitybulls - Apr 30, 2014 at 9:06 PM

        Ha ha ha. Glad you’re not a GM. Quit playing 2K.

  15. arrondior - Apr 30, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    Carlos Boozer and D.J. Augustine packaged with draft picks to the Knicks for Carmelo Anthony. I predicted this a long time ago.It’s going to happen.

  16. jerze2387 - Apr 30, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    dont trip over your duffle bag on the way out

  17. phillyupperdecker - Apr 30, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    Bulls send Boozer and the 19th overall pick to Philly (Chicago still owns pick 16) This gives them cap space for Melo while picking up two of Philly’s second round picks.

    Sixers send two second rounders to Chicago. Philly now has 3 picks in the top 20 and gives them the ability to pack the Pelicans pick and the Bulls pick to move up in the draft if they wanted to.

  18. godelleb - May 1, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    Boozer isn’t worth that amount and the entire NBA knows that. Who wants a big man for nearly $17 million that can’t begin to play defense , has no inside game but also doesn’t have the range to spread the floor, does not get offensive rebounds since he shoots fade away jumpers and doesn’t follow shots, and who causes unrest in the locker room due to feeling he is under utilized? Good luck finding someone like that Reinsdorf. Signing him was ignorant to start with. Are you planning to compound that mistake by trading him for players some team thinks are worse at the expense of building a roster that has a real chance to be competing in the top echelon of teams?

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