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Report: Caron Butler to sign with Thunder, not Heat

Feb 28, 2014, 11:04 AM EDT

Caron Butler, Nate Wolters, Markieff Morris AP

Oklahoma City, looking for depth and a good spot up shooter to round out their roster for a playoff run, may have found one in veteran swingman Caron Butler.

Despite early reports Butler was going to sign in Miami and backup Dwyane Wade (which means a lot of starts considering his knee maintenance plan), Butler has decided to sign with Oklahoma City, reports Adrian Wojnarowski at Yahoo Sports.

Caron Butler has chosen to sign with the Oklahoma City Thunder over the Miami Heat, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Butler informed teams of his decision on Friday morning, a league source told Yahoo Sports….

Despite close relationships and history with the Miami Heat, Butler decided that his best opportunity to make an impact and chase a championship belonged with Oklahoma City. Miami has lost out on the top two free-agent buyout players in Danny Granger and Butler.

Butler signed with the Bucks last off-season, going home to his native Wisconsin. But as the season fell apart in Milwaukee Butler and management there agreed to part ways and he was bought out of his deal. Butler is currently on waivers and is expected to clear them on Saturday and sign with OKC.

Oklahoma City is undoubtedly a contender and Butler fills a need — they would like a shooter who can help space the floor. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook draw a lot of double teams and defensive attention that a good spot-up shooter can work off of — and that is what Butler is at this point in his career. This season 35 percent of his shots in Milwaukee came on spot ups and hit 41.9 percent from three on those and scored 1.08 points per possession (stats via Synergy Sports). He also can score in transition well.

He’s not going to help much defensively and he’s not going to create shots, but the Thunder have shot creators. Now they are about to add a veteran shooter to the mix.

One the Miami Heat could have used.

  1. volcom2143 - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    Butler was traded from the suns ….

    • 00maltliquor - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM

      How can anyone thumb that down? It’s a fact! Kurt, was that you?!

      • stoudemelo - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:55 PM

        Kurt is the worst

  2. wupsumskul - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Caron butler

    821 min
    52 turnovers
    23 steals
    36.1% 3 pointer
    53 3 pointers

    Shane battier

    1053 min
    8 turnovers
    33 steals
    35.2% 3 pointer
    57 3 pointers

    I’ll take battier even though he seems like he’s 80 years old.

    • 00maltliquor - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:23 AM

      How convenient you leave out other key stats to make your case! lol

      • wupsumskul - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:30 AM

        My point is Caron is horrible on defense and has lots more turnovers in less minutes. Great Caron scores more. He also allows a ton more fast breaks by the opposing team.

      • money2long - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:51 AM

        Were u making this case against the heat signing him when he was on the market ?

      • wupsumskul - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM

        We just signed liggins. Caron is old and hasn’t helped anyone win anything. Why would I care about a guy that would only play 5 to 10 min a game for the heat. Clippers gave away caron for nothing for a reason.

      • spthegr8 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:21 PM

        “Horrible on defense”.??? Are you talking about Caron Butler or Rasul Butler.?? The way you talk, you would think Caron is some bum just floating around the league. SMH!!!!

      • 00maltliquor - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM

        You just signed Liggins and you’re happy about that over Caron!!??

        LMAO! Great, what has he done other then beat his girlfriend in front of their 2 year old son and get cut from the same team that just picked up Butler who apparently they feel is more useful! LOLLLL!!!

      • ProBasketballPundit - Feb 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM

        Yeah like defense? Butler sucks at defense. His opponents are shooting 47%.

      • getlow81 - Mar 1, 2014 at 2:46 AM

        Caron Butler’s opponents shoot 47%? With such great defenders all around him like OJ Mayo, Brandon Jennings, and Khris Middleton, not to mention an oft-injured combo of John Henson and Larry Sanders. Here’s a stat for you..Carlos Boozer is 8th in Defensive efficiency according to basketball-reference…Carlos Boozer…8th…in anything defensive…

    • zacksdad - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:30 AM

      I find fans so amusing. When ever you get a player, you preen like a flamingo. When you do not get them, you show why it is best you did not get them even though your team’s executives wanted them. I am a Laker fan and wish we would have signed Howard, but Jimmie’s hire of D’Antoni threw that out the window.

    • cruzan80 - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM

      You wasnt saying that yesterday… Heat “fan” was.

      • chasycabym - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM

        you’re mistaken buddy. I have been making the case for Granger over Butler all along…

      • spthegr8 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:24 PM

        ^^^^ Caron is WAAAAAYYY more valuable than Granger is.!!! ^^^^ Just Sayin’!!!

    • ryanrockzzz - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:47 AM

      I would still take Butler..more Turnovers on a bad team in which he had to handle the ball a lot more. Battier generally isn’t in situations where he’s the center of attention on that offesne, so he shouldn’t be turning the ball over. Obviously, if minutes were equal, Butler would also have a higher steal shot percentage.

    • apkyletexas - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:00 PM

      So – basically what you’re saying is that Butler is as good with zero help as Battier is when he’s got an All-star cast and the league’s MVP drawing off defenders?

      Good point – Butler should clearly out-perform Battier in Oklahoma then.

  3. asimonetti88 - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    Heat should have gone for Glen Davis, not Granger/Butler. Now they get none!

    • unxpexted1 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:11 PM

      agreed, why the heat refuse to seek down low depth is baffling.

      • asimonetti88 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:13 PM

        Well, they’re already quite good playing the small ball game, but it is puzzling to me nonetheless.

      • antistratfordian - Feb 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

        Why is it baffling? They just beat the Knicks by about 30 while getting outrebounded – offensively outrebounded by a large margin. They’re not a traditional team with traditional needs, and they already have their 7 footer insurance policy.

        You go to the finals 3 times in a row, winning the last two – you’re on the right track.

      • antistratfordian - Feb 28, 2014 at 8:58 PM

        simonetti – it’s their identity. they know who they are – they are committed to who they are – it’s tough for teams to beat who they are. they’ve always doubled down on their identity rather than watering it down by bringing in bigs.

    • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 2:11 PM

      I’m going to throw this out there: I think this free agent season (buy-out and trade stuff) has shown why LeBron might want to leave Miami. Wade is on the decline and if Miami wants to keep all three of the Big 3, they’ll have a high payroll (like this year) so they’ll need to find players on the cheap like old, bought-out players looking to win a championship. Everyone had faith in Riley that he can lure any player to Miami because he’s Riley. But this just proved he can’t. Butler, Davis, and Granger were all there to be had, but none of them wanted to play in Miami. There has to be a reason. Can anyone help me figure this out?

      • miamatt - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:05 PM

        You’re making WAY too big a deal out of the buyout market results. As far as we know, Butler is the only one of those three FAs the Heat showed interest in, and while he would have added depth, he’s not a make-or-break guy. He wouldn’t have made a difference in the way Battier, Allen, or Birdman have.

        Riley has done a masterful job of managing his roster. As far as Wade, we’ll be much better informed in June than we are now. Have you seen Wade’s stats from Feb? Something like 23+6+6 on 59% shooting… crazy. Again, too early to judge, but it appears that the “maintenance program”, which has had people killing Wade in the media, actually is having the intended effect.

        In any case, every promise Riley made to LeBron has been kept. They’ve been in position to contend for a title every year since James landed in Miami, and every year new pieces are added. Miller had his moments, Battier, Allen, Bird, Lewis… and I wouldn’t count out Oden and Beasley having their playoff moments this year. If anything, this proves how well Riley has done, that it seems shocking when they miss out on a guy. Butler would have been nice, but don’t make it out to be a bigger deal than it is. He’ll get more playing time in OKC for a reason- their roster isn’t as strong.

      • asimonetti88 - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM

        Perhaps. We won’t know until this offseason, either way.

      • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

        Thanks, Matt – and don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t like I was high on Butler (I would have preferred Big Baby Davis); however, I still thought it interesting that all three recognized names chose somewhere other than Miami. Obviously, I’m not in the front office, and maybe Riley and the Heat didn’t really go after any three of those guys, but I find that unlikely. As for Wade, I take nothing away from how he’s played when he’s healthy – but that’s the question: how much longer will he be healthy? If Wade breaks down in the post season, and the Heat don’t have enough in the trenches behind him to win, we’ll have to revisit this conversation

      • Miami305 - Feb 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM

        Granger and Butler didn’t chose Miami because the Heat weren’t going to be able to offer them that much money and let’s be honest, Butler has a chance of winning a championship in OKC. Money + a possible ring = OKC. Butler will also get a lot more playing time in OKC than it Miami so it was an easy choice for him.

        Granger’s decision is a little baffling. He chose a Clipper team that while good, doesn’t have a chance making it into the Finals this year. I assume it was pride that kept Granger from choosing Miami.

        Both players will eventually repent when they watch Miami win its third championship in a row.

  4. prareedoggin - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Yea I agree, maybe we will get Jimmer lol although hes a great spot up shooter

  5. therooneyskilledwebster - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    Must have been that fugly mask.

  6. 00maltliquor - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Butler made the right move if he still wanted to get in games. Heat have enough wing players. He’d be fighting Shane Battier, Ray Allen and others for those backup minutes behind the best player on the planet. The Thunder, after Kevin Durant, have 0 SFs on the roster. Good decision. Unless he wanted to just win an easy ring while rotting on the bench.

    • unxpexted1 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:10 PM

      I still think the Spurs would have been the perfect option for him, but this is still a great move for him as well.

    • naterich21 - Feb 28, 2014 at 1:33 PM

      He already did that with the Mavs lmao.

      But he was injured though.

    • casualcommenter - Feb 28, 2014 at 4:57 PM

      Agreed. If his goal was minutes, OKC is a better fit. On the Heat, he was unlikely to get serious minutes in the playoffs unless there were injuries because he’d be competing with veterans.

      With the Thunder, he’ll be competing against young, unproven players for minutes on the bench.

  7. spthegr8 - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    It’s about time the Thunder started looking to add some of these FA’s on Buyout’s from other teams. Seem’s like they don’t make enough noise with moves like this. I’m a Laker fan but I like OKC. Hope they can win it all this yr. Caron can contribute and will help. He can defend on the wing ( 2 Guards and SF’s ) and he can knock down the 3ball and still get to the cup. As for the comment above… I’ll take Caron over Battier and day of the week and twice on Sunday!!

    • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 2:15 PM

      Let’s not burry Battier yet. He is still a very capable defender (did you see how he defended Durant the other night) and he can still be clutch (Finals, anyone?). He’s having an off year but he still has a ton of value. I was hoping the Heat would have went after Big Baby Davis, but they didn’t. Second on my list would have been Granger….followed by Butler. I understood the relationship he had with the Heat and Wade, but I wasn’t super high on him as a player. I’m not so bummed that the Heat missed out on Butler, moreso that they missed out on everyone.

      • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 2:16 PM

        *bury* Battier – my bad.

      • miamatt - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:11 PM

        You’re right on that- Butler might be better for PPG, but Battier is far more valuable to Miami than Butler would have been. That’s not revisionist history, that’s clear to anybody who watches Heat basketball closely. Don’t sweat it, though- buyout market is a fun diversion, but the teams those guys went to need them more and will play them more. This is a minor setback, if you’d even call it that. Meanwhile, Miami is playing their best basketball of the year, right on cue.

        And per the OP, Butler’s defensive metrics are terrible this year. He is no kinda wing defender anymore. Good shooter, smart player… but not a stopper by any stretch.

    • spthegr8 - Feb 28, 2014 at 4:40 PM

      I’m not saying Battier sucks. Battier has been a big part of the last 2 championship teams and he can still contribute also ( I remember the finals too ) I just think Caron can do more on both ends of the floor thats all but I don’t think Battier stinks by any means!!

  8. rodge1 - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    As a Heat fan I wanted Caron to sign with Miami because he’s a good guy and you can never have enough of that on a team. He probably felt he’d get more playing time in OKC which is cool. He wasn’t going to make or break the Heat so I don’t see it at a big loss even though the haters will do their best to make it seem that way. Good luck Caron… Go Heat!

    • heat256 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:56 PM

      ^ +1 This. Playing time is important to guys, and if they can get more elsewhere, then who are we to bash them? Kudos to him, and I am sure it was still a tough decision for him. Hope the Heat get to see them in the Finals, and then we get to see who made the right calls.

  9. aldavis4president - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Caron is way better than battier! I dnt even think its that close to be honest. Battier is asked to do one thing and one thing only, shoot corner 3s. Ithink this pick up is huge for the thunder. He can come in for thabo and be the scoring threat their bench needed.

    • miamatt - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      You couldn’t possibly be less informed about Battier’s game. Caron would have been in line behind Battier for playing time in Miami, and for good reason.

    • bougin89 - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:41 PM

      Butler wont’ be able to guard opposing teams 3’s and 4’s like Battier can. Caron, at this point, is a negative on defense while Battier is a plus. Also Battier can knock down open 3’s, they really aren’t worse with Battier rather than Butler on offense.

  10. 1972wasalongtimeago - Feb 28, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    Am I disappointed? Yes
    Am I disappointed from a basketball perspective? No.
    Am I disappointed because I always liked Butjer and it just seemed right to have him back to ride the Heat train to a Championship in Miami at this point in his career? Yes.
    Could I have imagined him on a parade float in Miami? Yes

    Does Butker’s signing with OKC change anything regarding the outcome of the season? Absolutely not.

    Did Butler choose unwisely? Absolutely.

    Are Butler jerseys going to be burned in the streets? Please.

    • unxpexted1 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:08 PM

      “Did Butler choose unwisely? Absolutely”

      That’s a bit of a stretch. He basically had an option between 1 of two teams that will more than likely be in the finals this year, AND get the playing time on top of it. Not sure that’s an unwise decision.

    • miamatt - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM

      Yeah, I would have loved to see a Butler homecoming, but, realistically, he likely gets more playing time in OKC, and they have as good a chance of making the Finals as anybody.

      If by choosing unwisely, you mean choosing a team with a lesser chance of winning the ‘chip, I would agree.

      But he knows that he is near the end of his career, and some guys really want to be on the court until the bitter end. I can’t fault Butler for that, and I wish him luck. Just not TOO much luck.

    • bougin89 - Feb 28, 2014 at 5:11 PM

      “Did Butler choose unwisely? Absolutely.”

      Lol, c’mon…

  11. notinmyhouse56 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    I know that I will get some hate for that, but I don’t care. I’m glad that less and less players are willing to join the CLOWNS crew of Miami. Yes, clowns very good at basketball, even great – still they are CLOWNS. Maybe Caron just does not want to make a clown out of himself, even if the reward could be winning, kudos to him.

    • miamatt - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:34 PM

      Less and less players? Because Granger and Butler are signing elsewhere? That’s a bit of a stretch. I’d surmise this has more to do with Miami’s improved depth and the fact that they never guarantee playing time to anybody coming in, at least vet min type of guys.

    • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 2:22 PM

      Ok, I’ll bite…and call you out: why are they clowns? Do they dress up and perform at parties? Do they get in trouble for slapping their fiance in Vegas and knock her out cold, or have illegal guns in New York and waive a loaded gun at your estranged wife? Do they make a mockery of the game by not trying their hardest? Hey, I get you probably don’t like the Heat, and you have your bias for your team – totally cool, we all do. But can we get past the name-calling and post some good arguments on here? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I feel that people can at least respect your point of view if you have facts rather than just say someone is a clown because you don’t like them (or they don’t play for your team).

      • notinmyhouse56 - Feb 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

        First thing i would like to put straight – I am a HUGE LeBron hater. Not as much as to call him LeBrick or LeFlop or to bash him no matter what, but still I am a hater. I’m glad you called me out, was looking forward to it. I consider them to be clowns for various reasons, nevertheless those reasons are mostly concerning LeBron (I still admit he is one of the most dominant NBA players in their respective primes). First of all – I REALLY HATE how one of the “greatest ever” has succeded. Joining two first-ballot HOF and buidling a team involving such talented players as Chalmers, Beasley, Cole, Oden, R. Lewis, Allen, Miller, Battier (he’s so underrated, that guy is a huge factor). Some of these guys are well beyond their prime, some of them are having difficult times, but still – talentwise that group is unreal. Imagine MJ joining Barkley and Penny Hardaway and still choking in the finals, winning two rings (one of them in extremely lucky circumstances) and really FLASHING AROUND with that (LeBron’s behaviour after 2013 finals), putting himself on the NBA mt. rushmore (!!!), depreciating other players achievement – words about KD’s 30 shot/game and pretending to be able to score anytime he wants (ok LeBron – why don’t you sacrifice ONE GAME in the RS to show us how you score “100 pts” on “30 shots”) or win the dunk contest (and put some average dunks compilation in the time of the year when SDC takes place) .Yes the Miami Heat are clowns. Imagine any of the all-time greats taking a pay-cut to be able to win a championship(!) – No frickin’ way.

      • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM

        I dig it, buddy. I can totally respect your point of view. I don’t agree, but forget that, you have your convictions. I think sports can be like “what’s your favorite color” meaning there’s no qualitative way to say why you like or hate someone. I think Jordan probably owes a ring or two to the likes of Steve Kerr and John Paxton for extremely clutch (read: lucky), so we can eliminate the Ray Allen shot. Things like that happen all the time (Fisher’s 0.4 second shot against the Spurs for the Lakers, as another example).Chalmers, Beasley, Cole, Oden, R. Lewis, Miller, and to a lesser extent, Allen and Battier were all sub-par players, past their primes, injured or deemed “broken” (Oden) or flat out losers (Beasley) and not many other teams would have them. I’m jumping around a bit…but oh well. Barkley did join other superstars to try and win a championship: he forced his way out of Philly in favor of the Suns…then went to the Rockets to join Clyde Drexler and Olajuwon. About Mt. Rushmore…it was a question asked: “Who would be on your Mt. Rushmore, LeBron?” and “Do you think you’ll be on there someday?”. Is he supposed to say “everyone should be on the 4-person hypothetical NBA Mt. Rushmore” and “hell no I won’t be on there…”. At least have some perspective. Anyway, just pointing out the other side of the opinion coin. Thanks again for your view.

      • gofinsgoheatfloria - Mar 1, 2014 at 1:15 PM

        “Imagine any of the all-time greats taking a pay-cut to be able to win a championship(!) – No frickin’ way.”

        You may be underestimating the power of Dan Gilbert to piss people off.

  12. dolphindubs - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Dammit Caron! I was looking forward to seeing you in a Heat uniform again.

    Good luck with OKC though

  13. bballhistorian - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Players Miami could’ve signed during this season:

    Andrew Bynum – Went to Pacers instead
    Danny Granger – May go to clippers
    Big Baby Davis – Went to Clippers instead
    Caron Butler – Went to OKC instead

    So in fact, 4 impact players went to 3 of miami’s biggest rivals. If the heat end up losing to one of these teams come playoff time… these failed signings may be the reason why.

    • southbeachtalent - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

      Impact players?

      Impact on the bench?

    • heat256 - Feb 28, 2014 at 4:17 PM

      If these 4 guys were that good, they wouldn’t have been let go. They’ve got their own issues – injuries, age, etc. They may offer up some contributions, but let’s not go nuts thinking they will be the main reason their team wins. They are complimentary pieces. No one will assume Granger > Griffin or Butler > Durant.

    • antistratfordian - Feb 28, 2014 at 6:52 PM

      Well there is something about available space and time that is an issue – it would be a different story had Miami not already brought in Oden and Beasley.

      • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 10:57 PM

        Oden or not, I think Davis could have helped.

    • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 10:55 PM

      This was my point exactly. I was going to point out Bynum, too, but forgot – well done. It’s a large sample size if you consider the pool we’re looking at: players that were recently bought out of their contract. It was always assumed (at least it was portrayed by the media) that any free agent would JUMP at the chance to play in Miami with LeBron hunting for championships. But it didn’t happen. I don’t think any of these players are truly impact players – as it has been pointed out, they didn’t fit for their original teams because they weren’t producing enough to justify their salaries.

  14. phinagain - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    It’s always so funny to see something like this where they close with saying how Miami “missed out” on some free agent that would be playing a marginal role on the team. Oh no! What will we do without Butler’s 5 points on 8 minutes playing time?

    If they want someone who is a decent shooter but plays middling defense to back up Wade during the season, maybe they should bring back Michael Beasley. Oh wait, they already did that, too!

    Talk about manufacturing a story where there isn’t one.

  15. cantonbound13 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    Love it! Caron is one of my favorite players now!

    • leahcima1 - Feb 28, 2014 at 5:20 PM

      Cantonjerk says “Caron is one of my favorite players now”. Jerkie you’re just another bandwagon fan from Miami. But that’s a Miamian for you. Enjoying the season? :)

  16. bhunter1995 - Feb 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    I called this yesterday and got 2 thumbs up and 13 thumbs down, its good to see that people still don’t know crap about the league. Butler gets more responsibility on the Thunder. With Ray, Shane, and Beasley getting minutes at the 2 and 3, Butler would get maybe 10-12 minutes per game. On the Thunder he will be the primary backup for either the two or the three spot and he will get more burn if Brooks decides to play small ball with KD at the four (which is a major possibility as Perkins is injured). This is a great signing for the thunder who, as a team have a bad percentage from beyond the arc, and a good choice for Butler who won’t see his minutes dip by more then 6 or 7 minutes.

  17. jolink653 - Feb 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Didn’t Liggins smash an Xbox over his girlfriend’s head?

  18. beach305 - Feb 28, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    Can’t blame Butler, he wanted to get some playing time, which the Heat can’t guarantee.

    All the best to him.

    Let’s go HEATLES!

  19. shadowgamesshades - Feb 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    I think the Heat should have talked to Glen Davis over Butler because they already have enough wing help. Davis is a strong low post defender which could help them defend against someone like David West.

    • fanofthegame79 - Feb 28, 2014 at 2:24 PM

      This was my thought process!

    • antistratfordian - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:17 PM

      That is counter to their system.

    • getlow81 - Mar 1, 2014 at 2:59 AM

      Davis is far from being a great low post defender…he’s simply a fatter and slightly shorter Carlos Boozer defensively. Big Baby would’ve brought another great flopper to the All-Star cast of Lebron, Battier, and Wade.

  20. cowboysfaninbuffalove - Feb 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    The Denver Nuggets are terrible

  21. antistratfordian - Feb 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    The Thunder need him more than the Heat do, that is for sure.

    • money2long - Mar 2, 2014 at 2:13 PM

      Can’t wait to see all u have to say when the post season concludes. Lol

      • antistratfordian - Mar 2, 2014 at 4:59 PM

        You can see it now if you want – go back to my comments after the 2012 and 2013 postseasons. They will be very similar.

      • money2long - Mar 2, 2014 at 5:22 PM

        Keep going !!

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