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Report: Clippers, Knicks talking Iman Shumpert for Darren Collison trade

Feb 19, 2014, 1:00 PM EDT

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The Knicks may finally have found a team willing to take on Iman Shumpert and given them back a new point guard, something they have desperately been seeking.

New York is talking to the Los Angeles Clippers about a swap that would bring Shumpert to the Clippers and send Darren Collison back to New York, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.

In proposed deals, the Clippers would send the Knicks a package that includes point guard Darren Collison for Shumpert and point guard Raymond, sources told Yahoo Sports….

The discussions and proposed players are still fluid, league sources said, and a deal isn’t close to being reached. Nevertheless, Shumpert is an object of interest for the Clippers and the recent return of All-Star point guard Chris Paul makes Collison more expendable.

While it is not final and the players involved are fluid, this trade makes some sense for both sides. I wouldn’t do it if I were the Knicks, but it makes some sense. Apparently the sticking point is the Clippers do not want to take back Felton, reports Marc Stein of ESPN.

The Knicks have been looking to upgrade the point guard spot — they have been disappointed with Felton — and Collison played well for Los Angeles when Chris Paul was out. He clearly got in a better rhythm as a starter than coming off the bench — in the month of January (most of which was without CP3) Collison averaged 14.4 points on 53.7 percent shooting and he dished out 6.1 assists a night. He had an offensive rating of 115.3 in that month.

But Collison is a defensive liability, which is why Rivers is willing to move him. Rivers knows if the Clippers are going to really threaten Oklahoma City in the playoffs, they need more consistent defense and adding Shumpert off the bench helps that cause. He adds athleticism that could help behind the injured J.J. Redick (out indefinitely with a bulging disc in his back) and Jared Dudley. Felton can be the backup point guard and would fill in well enough; so long as Paul is healthy the backup point isn’t going to be playing large or key minutes for the Clippers.

The question the Knicks need to ask themselves is this: Is Collison really enough of an upgrade over Felton to warrant giving up Shumpert to make it happen? This move smells of classic Knicks short term thinking.

We’ll see if this becomes a reality, but trades that go through are ones where both teams think they gained something, and in this case both teams can declare they won.

  1. jcmeyer10 - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Look at the Knicks, trade and “making sense” in the same sentence.

    • casualcommenter - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM

      I was going to make the same joke.

      This trade truly seems mutually beneficial. Knicks go from having a point guard getting paid $4 million per year for 2 more years who is bad on both ends of the floor to instead having a point guard getting paid $2 million per year whose deal expires next year and is at least good at one end of the floor. It’s a shame they’d lose Shumpert, but since Dolan seems deadset on trading the guy away, Shumpert didn’t have a longterm future with the Knicks.

      As for the Clippers, they add an above-average wing defender who will play significant minutes with JJ Reddick out, and he could be very useful in the playoffs if his 3 point shooting improves playing with a top tier point guard like CP3.

  2. odenxx - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    Bad trade!shump is better than this trade.

    • cruzan80 - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:40 PM

      Based of what exactly????

      • conjecture101 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:52 PM

        scouting & projection analysis. Woodson has done his best to destroy Shump’s career, but it’s nothing a competent coach cant fix.

  3. flyrocket31 - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Yea thats a steal for the Clippers. Dont do it!

  4. money2long - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    robbery on the clippers part. doc has to be salivating

  5. djlexluger - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    This deal is good for both squads Shump is expendable thanks to THJ even tho the Knicks lose a good defender he isn’t getting any better, and a PG is needed like yesterday.

    • casualcommenter - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:23 PM

      Also, Collison’s deal is worth less than $2 million per year for this year and next year.
      Felton is getting paid $4 million per year this year, next year, and the year after that.

      The fact that the Knicks are getting both short and long-term cap relief from this trade is why the Knicks are being pressured to include Shumpert. The Clippers want a solid player in exchange for being stuck paying Felton money for the next 2 years.

  6. timberwolvesbrisin - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    Collison sure gets traded a lot for a guy who puts up ‘numbers.”

  7. tonydelk - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    The Clippers need front court help for Griffin and Jordan and not another SG/SF guy.
    They already have Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford, Jared Dudley, Willie Green, JJ Redick (hurt), Hedo Turkoglu, and Reggie Bullock. Don’t get me wrong, Shumpert is an upgrade over all of these guys besides probably Crawford and a healthy Redick but how can they compete in the Western playoffs with 2 big guys that have BJ Mullens backing them up? Hell Brandon Bass or Ed Davis are surely available for a ham sandwich and the right to swap future cheerleaders.

  8. azarkhan - Feb 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    “But Collison is a defensive liability…”

    So he’ll fit right in with the Knicks, who don’t play defense anyway. Besides, defense is only 50% of the game, so why bother?

  9. cruzan80 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    Win win for both teams. Knicks need an upgrade at PG in the worst way. Acquiring Collison in exchange for Shumpert who has been outplayed by their rookie Hardaway Jr. is a very smart move for the Knicks. For the Clippers, SG has been kind of a “play by committee” type thing especially with Reddick being in & out of the lineup due to injury. Although Shump has been a lil injury prone himself…he’s gives them more assurance than who’s already there….& Chris Paul makes everyone look better than what they really are so I’ll expect his production to increase.

  10. spillz121 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    Deal Shumpert but not for collison……Shumpert has looked clueless this year, he has taken a step back and TH Jr is just flat out better than him right now so he’s expendable……but collison is not enough of an upgrade from Felton(if he us at all) to warrant this trade or keep Melo in town…….but I’m a lifelong Knicks fan so I’m sure this trade will go thru smdh

  11. nykfanwakemeupin2015 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    Take Chandler and throw in Deandre Jordan and you have a deal lol

  12. nykfanwakemeupin2015 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    I was big on Shumpert but he has no role on this team or with this coaching staff. His attitude sucks and they def need to make a move.

    • conjecture101 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      You are right, a player who plays any defense has no role in Woodson’s system.

      • nykfanwakemeupin2015 - Feb 19, 2014 at 3:25 PM

        Woodson is a terrible coach but at the same time he has ruined any value Shumpert had. I was a huge fan of Shumpert but nothing is going to come of him on the Knicks under this current coaching staff. You see glimpses of how well this team plays when Felton decides to stop being lazy 5 minutes in each game

  13. imjustsayin412 - Feb 19, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    This trade sucks for the Knicks, really hope they don’t go thru with it. #imjustsayin

  14. martinbay10 - Feb 19, 2014 at 3:13 PM

    The Clips need a big who can defend, block shotsm and rebound, which Griffin and DeAndre do only occasionally.

    Also need a small forward who can shoot. Jared Dudley cannot hit open shots or defend. Barnes is not hitting shots either. Collison is a liability on defense? CP3 is no defensive stopper either.

  15. knightrider1755 - Feb 19, 2014 at 3:51 PM

    The Knicks suck.

    • sportsfan18 - Feb 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM

      Amen!

  16. iamawesome2014 - Feb 19, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    Shumpert is a bum plain and simple. People were holding out hope he’d be some kind of great SG but the bottom line is he is nothing more than an average role player. He cant shoot but that doesnt stop him from throwing up bricks, and his defense is ok, not great as some try to make it seem. I cant recall how many times Ive watched chandler get into foul trouble protecting the basket because shumpert got beat by his man

  17. sportsfan18 - Feb 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    Hey Knicks fans! You’re team is KICKING you while you’re down!

    Shump is a good defensive guard. Good to have on a team.

    Collison? His skills retired a few seasons ago… but in his mind he’s the terminator…

    Ah ha ha…

    • cruzan80 - Feb 19, 2014 at 4:52 PM

      Lol, ignorance is bliss.

      • sportsfan18 - Feb 19, 2014 at 6:33 PM

        Collison has been on 4 teams in 5 years…

        That speaks for itself…

        Ignorance? Really? When a player is GOOD, teams KEEP them…

        The Pacers were/are good that last few years and presto, they got RID of him.

        Then he went to the Mavs and presto, they got RID of him.

        He’s the Clips problem, er property now and their new coach Doc is trying to get RID of him.

        The Knicks see this and think, that’s the FOURTH team in five years to want to get rid of him… we BETTER sign him, QUICKLY!

      • sportsfan18 - Feb 19, 2014 at 10:41 PM

        curzan80

        Here is a nugget from a more recent article on this site about this proposed trade… since you think my ignorance is bliss.

        “Shumpert is still on his rookie deal, and though he’s been marginalized by the Knicks management and coaching staff since the summer, he’s got real potential and has shown the ability to produce on both ends of the floor.”

        The Knicks traded FOR Bargnani and now they WANT to get rid of a young player with potential for a player other teams play hot potato with…

        Like I said, the Knicks are kicking you fans while you’re down…

        Maybe it’s you who is ignorant…

  18. basketballbro - Feb 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    I don’t like this trade. Shumpert currently isn’t worth much, but we know what he is capable of. Unless we can ship him off in a deal to get a star pg, I suggest keeping him and hoping the 2013 shump comes back.

    • ChocolateThunder - Feb 19, 2014 at 5:54 PM

      With you.

  19. stephenolszewski - Feb 19, 2014 at 4:37 PM

    I don’t understand why The Knicks want to ditch Shump so badly, he’s a good player not a superstar but I’d rather see him get Felton’s minutes and contribute more

  20. jkaflagg - Feb 19, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Good move for the Clippers, but they still need a big man; maybe there is some way they can get Reggie Evans back from Sacto…..

  21. fishfiletkray - Feb 19, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    Remember when Shump was a promising young player?

    • 00maltliquor - Feb 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM

      We’ll be saying that about THJr. in a couple of years too.

    • sportsfan18 - Feb 19, 2014 at 10:39 PM

      fish

      This is from a more recent article on this site about this proposed trade…

      “Shumpert is still on his rookie deal, and though he’s been marginalized by the Knicks management and coaching staff since the summer, he’s got real potential and has shown the ability to produce on both ends of the floor.”

      Just like the Knicks management to marginalize someone WITH potential.

      The Knicks traded FOR Bargnani and now they WANT Collison, he of 4 teams in 5 yrs in the league (that speaks volumes right there folks).

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