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LeBron admits Wade’s time off, other injuries throwing off Heat’s rhythm

Jan 22, 2014, 2:55 PM EST

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Miami has won two of its last three games, but they haven’t exactly looked impressive doing it. They had to go to overtime against the Bobcats, sandwiched in a loss when they gave up 121 to the Atlanta Hawks (without Al Horford), then Tuesday night struggled past the Boston Celtics. Not long ago there was the three-game losing streak.

The conventional wisdom is the Heat just aren’t motivated yet. After three straight trips to the finals they are mentally not focused in the middle of a marathon regular season, and when they are not focused their aggressive style of defense becomes vulnerable. There is truth to that.

But injuries, and keeping Dwyane Wade out of the lineup has hurt too, LeBron James told ESPN.

“I can say from a rhythm standpoint, it’s kind of hurt us,” James said. “And we’re a team that’s built on rhythm, built on chemistry, and we’ve had so many lineup changes, so many different guys in and out with injuries that it’s kind of hurt our performance. We don’t like to use it as a crutch or as an excuse.”

When he has been on the court this season he’s been as good as any guard in the East, but he’s missed 12 games this season already. That is by design — the goal is to have him right for the playoffs, not a late January road matchup.

But the lack of consistency clearly is impacting the Heat on the court.

Not that the lineup shuffling is going to change anytime soon — there is nobody from behind pushing Miami. It’s the Pacers, the Heat are four games back of them (if Miami wants to make a second half push for home court in the Eastern Conference Finals, which Paul George thinks they need) then after Miami it’s eight games back to the Hawks. Nobody is closing that gap, not even a hot Brooklyn team (11 games back of Miami). Miami and Indiana are going to be the one and two seeds in the East.

With that, what’s the point of rushing anyone back? Miami is just going to have to find that rhythm without a regular Wade for now.

  1. antistratfordian - Jan 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

    They wouldn’t have much of a problem if it was just Wade missing time. What has genuinely upset their chemistry is the fact that their starting lineup and rotations are constantly changing to accommodate the additional absences of Chalmers, Battier, Birdman, Beasley and Haslem.

    Bosh, Chalmers and Cole have also taken it upon themselves to shoot more to make up for Wade – on top of that they’re also taking time to do additional things like work Oden in – this apparently has led to LeBron “using” less possessions than he normally does (posting his lowest Usage Percentage since he was 19-20 years old). It’s combining to make the Heat look foreign. But they’re holding up… just barely.

    • money2long - Jan 22, 2014 at 8:38 PM

      anti logic: wade isn’t tough. correct?

      • bougin89 - Jan 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM

        Anti logic(heat version): No, Wade’s extremely “tough”. He has just had all freak accident injuries, none were his fault. If this were the 80’s he would be even better and his career would have lasted longer. His knee isn’t fragile he decided to have the meniscus taken out instead of repaired, so he’s clearly tough. “He’s healthy and lighter this year”-actual quote from Anti earlier this year.

        It’s hard not to poke fun at Anti’s clear biased opinion towards the Heat. And he’s an admitted bandwagon fan on top of it. He actually seems like a smart enough dude he’s just so overly biased it’s hard to take his opinions(which he states as facts) seriously.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 12:26 PM

        bougin89 ! that was aweosme! you hit the nail on the freaking head. you summed him up to a T

      • antistratfordian - Jan 23, 2014 at 9:10 PM

        his body certainly isn’t… that’s been well proven

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 9:47 PM

        so wade isn’t tough. that was the question.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 23, 2014 at 10:37 PM

        well there’s only so much a guy can do if they’re injury prone like kobe or wade.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 11:57 PM

        hard to tell kobe’s been injury prone when he battles to play every game !! hahaa unlike those taking games off for maintenance.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 24, 2014 at 2:49 PM

        You can tell he’s injury prone because he’s always injured.

        Let’s deep dive:

        1999-2000: Broken hand – out 6 weeks
        2000-2001: Bursitis of the right hip – out 1 week
        2000-2001: Sore left elbow – out 1 week
        2000-2001: Sore right shoulder – out 1 week
        2000-2001: Sprained both ankles – out 1 week
        2002-2003: Balky knee
        2003-2004: Arthroscopic surgery on right knee
        2003-2004: Shoulder surgery – torn labrum
        2003-2004: 1st sprain of surgically repaired shoulder – out 2 weeks
        2003-2004: 2nd sprain of surgically repaired shoulder – out one month
        2004-2005: Severe ankle – out 1 month
        2004-2005: Dislocated ring finger
        2005-2006: Sprained wrist
        2006-2007: Arthroscopic surgery on right knee
        2006-2007: Sore right knee – out 5 games
        2007-2008: Broken pinkie finger
        2007-2008: Back injury
        2009-2010: Broken index finger
        2009-2010: Balky knee – out 4 games
        2009-2010: Sore ankle – out 3 games
        2010-2011: Arthroscopic surgery on right knee
        2010-2011: Sprained pinkie
        2010-2011: Severe ankle – out 5 games
        2011-2012: Torn wrist ligament
        2011-2012: Shin splints – out 8 games
        2011-2012: Broken nose
        2012-2013: Sprained ankle – out 3 games
        2012-2013: Torn achilles – out 8 months
        2013-2014: Broken knee – out 6 weeks

        And this is an incomplete list! So why deny that Kobe is injury prone? He’s been beaten up more than Rihanna – and all of it whilst playing in a “soft” league?

        So why would anyone think his body would hold up in the 80s when hard contact was ubiquitous and medicine/training/rehab less advanced? The only reasonable conclusion we can come to is that Kobe wouldn’t have lasted as long – anything else is just fanciful babble from his unreasonably defensive supporters.

      • money2long - Jan 24, 2014 at 6:05 PM

        thank you for proving the point further with those stats. as i can see, with all injury and team doctors, there are recommended times to lay off. it looks as though all those injuries and time off you named are super short with the exception of his elder years. the majority of his early years i see a lot of weekly absences.

        WOW . even more props to kobe for fighting to stay on the court. im so used to seeing guys take numerous prolonged time off. that’s awesome thanks for researching kobe, the player you apparently hate, yet are obsessed with tehehe.

        those numbers you just presented is truly a testament of kobe’s willingness to fight to stay on the court. amazing !!

        also, i wonder exactly in those “weeks” exactly how many actual games were missed. kobe could have missed a measly week yet only sat out a couple games for instance. when he in fact had to sit out much longer.

        but we all know kobe and his toughness. he wants to beat timetables and play asap !! haha thanks anti. you’re research was so sweet of you to do. you really drove home my point :) haha. just look at all those mini breaks you have. how long do people continuously miss many games because of severe ankle sprains? took tobias harris so long to come back into the lineup this year from his and he’s a young pup.

        then a surgically repaired shoulder. kobe only misses 2 weeks you state ahaa that’s awesome. kobe is the man.

        i wonder if any player you loved had this same injury list, if their time to return to the court would have been shorter than kobe’s. i think not. haha

      • antistratfordian - Jan 25, 2014 at 1:53 PM

        So you agree then: Kobe is always injured in this soft era. He always has to fight against his injuries to stay on the court in this soft era. And that if he played in the 80s this list would be 3x times as long and his career half as short.

        Finally we see eye to eye.

      • money2long - Jan 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM

        so you’re making a GUESS that kobe’s career would be shorter !? hehehe. amaizng. you’ve built your case on a GUESS !? sorry, ive built my case on kobe’s dna. kobe can play through his injuries just to get on the court asap. that’s my case. and that wont change because he is in the 80s. playing with an injury now, kobe will try to play with an injury then, in the 80s. you have no point. your case is built on sand, a guess ? are u kiddin me.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 25, 2014 at 3:26 PM

        “Elementary. I don’t guess. I observe. And once I observe, I deduce.”

      • money2long - Jan 25, 2014 at 10:12 PM

        lol
        that’s an assumption.
        your argument is therefore flawed
        sorry.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 9:49 PM

        the ironic part is, kobe could probably play through the stuff that keeps wade out of games. hm, interesting.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 23, 2014 at 10:38 PM

        …or he can miss 8 games due to shin splints.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 11:56 PM

        that’s all you got for his many years in the nba ? hahahahahhahaha great. you proved my point once again. kobe would have lasted 20yrs in the game when the book is closed, at least, so thanks for providing that mini 8 game sample. hehe

      • antistratfordian - Jan 24, 2014 at 2:21 AM

        Kobe had a very extensive injury history BEFORE the achilles tear. Then he comes back from that, and breaks his knee – which he says is unrelated – so that doesn’t help your cause.

      • money2long - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:20 AM

        ohh so ur building your case on a 35 yr old kobe ???????? you’re amazing!! does anyone else see this guy !!?? lololol

      • antistratfordian - Jan 24, 2014 at 2:59 PM

        you stopped making sense 5 posts ago… but this is you at your most incoherent.

      • money2long - Jan 24, 2014 at 6:06 PM

        that reply of your to my statement is very revealing of your true thought ! haha. stumped !

      • antistratfordian - Jan 24, 2014 at 7:55 PM

        “that reply of your to my statement”

        I don’t even know what you’re babbling about anymore. Your boy Kobe has been battered and beaten more than your corn hole. This cannot be denied.

      • money2long - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:24 PM

        haha. go home anti.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 9:50 PM

        but kobe isn’t tough, according to you. and he can’t survive the 80s because he lets injuries keep him out of many many games. haha u must be watching a different kobe. the kobe i know likes to ignore injuries

      • antistratfordian - Jan 23, 2014 at 10:39 PM

        its not that he lets injuries keep him out of many games… it’s that things would be a little tougher in the 80s and the injuries he sustains in this league today – which he says is finesse – would only be worse with the contact back then. his body already breaks down with minimal contact, what would it do under constant pounding? so, yeah, it wouldn’t be pretty. he should be glad he’s playing now instead of then.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 11:55 PM

        hahaha so he can play in the 80s, ur just admitting it would hurt more. ok. haha you finally have come to this realization. haha so kobe would play the games. it would just be more painful. so what’s your point? if he’s still playing in the games, why does it matter the pain level ? hahaha thank you for proving my point and finally seeing the light. kobe would TOUGH OUT those injuries even with the pounding in the 80s being applied to it. haha thanks for indirectly seeing the light. don’t thank me for walking your hand to the light. it’s my public service for hater-blinded individuals like you.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 24, 2014 at 2:20 AM

        well anyone can play in the 80s – doesn’t mean you’ll last very long. kobe obviously wouldn’t.

        kobe only toughs out injuries to his hands or arms. if its his lower body – like shin splints – he’s out.

    • belleby123 - Jan 23, 2014 at 8:31 AM

      The Heat’s rhythm? How many more years does LeBron need to play with the same core group of guys to establish their “rhythm”? Compare this to the Bulls’ 7 and 2 record without Luol Deng. But people keep telling me Spoelstra is an A list coach. Don’t believe the hype.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 23, 2014 at 9:14 PM

        He’s not playing with the same core group of players every night, Einstein. That was my point.

        But even with all these players missing time, the Heat still have a better record at this point this year than they had last year. So what were you saying about Spoelstra again?

      • belleby123 - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:07 AM

        The “core group of players” are the players that see regular playing time, Einstein. You seem to have missed your own point, looking a little like Dwight Howard shooting free throws. As to their record, you seem to have trouble understanding how weak the teams in the East are right now. It’s not complicated.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM

        Those core group of players haven’t been playing though, wisenheimer. Plus, the Heat today look nothing like the team from 2011. And if you saw some recent games you’d notice that they looked nothing like the team just from last season.

        Starting Norris Cole and Rashard Lewis… LeBron being out there with Greg Oden, Michael Beasley, Roger Mason Jr. etc… there is no continuity this year, but they’re still making it work.

      • belleby123 - Jan 26, 2014 at 11:40 AM

        So when you say the 2011 Heat look “nothing like” the 2013 team, you mean Bosh, James and Wade, i.e. 60% of the starting lineup, somehow look different? WTF?

      • antistratfordian - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:32 PM

        Wade hasn’t even really been in the starting lineup this year much. The Heat have had something like 12 different starting lineups in as many games.

        And in 2011 the Heat started Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony alongside James, Bosh and Wade. Entirely different team, hombre.

      • belleby123 - Jan 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM

        Semantics. If 60% of the starting lineup stays the same I find your claim of “entirely different team” ridiculous.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

        Heat Top 3 Five-Man Floor Units

        2013-14:

        1. Chalmers-Wade-Battier-James-Bosh
        2. Chalmers-Allen-Battier-James-Bosh
        3. Cole-Wade-Allen-Lewis-Andersen

        2010-11:

        1. Arroyo-Wade-James-Bosh-Ilgauskas
        2. Chalmers-Wade-James-Bosh-Dampier
        3. Arroyo-Wade-James-Bosh-Anthony

        “I find your claim of ‘entirely different team’ ridiculous.”

        Do you even follow basketball?

      • belleby123 - Jan 30, 2014 at 7:05 AM

        Hey, not big deal. The internet is full of guys like you trying to support untenable positions. And what happened to 2012 you disingenuous prig?

      • antistratfordian - Jan 30, 2014 at 7:15 PM

        An NBA team can carry 15 players. If you keep 3 the same, but change everyone else, you won’t have the same team. It’s like I’m talking to a 3 year old.

        You’re being difficult for no reason. It’s unnecessary.

      • belleby123 - Jan 31, 2014 at 9:16 AM

        Yes, but if you go back to what I actually said, an NBA team can keep 5 starters, not 15. Hence the 60% figure–that’s how the math works out, buddy! I see you’re trying to weasel out of your previous bullcrap, and now you’ve resorted to the name calling. Like all Heat fans you’re a sore loser.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 31, 2014 at 3:08 PM

        It’s not just about the starters, lightweight. You change the entire dynamic of the team just by switching a few reserves… cmon! This is basic!

        Also, the Heat changed their entire philosophy from 2011 to today. They didn’t even play the same system. And they changed it again this year.

      • belleby123 - Jan 31, 2014 at 3:40 PM

        Wow, I said “if you go back to what I actually said” and you couldn’t even handle that. Excellent work!

      • antistratfordian - Jan 31, 2014 at 3:45 PM

        You didn’t actually say anything, that’s my point.

      • belleby123 - Jan 31, 2014 at 3:47 PM

        My point is I don’t see anyone on PBT that gets as many thumbs downs as you. Any explanation for that Mr. Rocket Scientist?

      • antistratfordian - Jan 31, 2014 at 4:06 PM

        “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

        I’m ahead of my time.

      • belleby123 - Feb 1, 2014 at 8:26 AM

        Right. To quote the B-52s, you’re living in your own private Idaho.

      • belleby123 - Jan 26, 2014 at 11:41 AM

        Greg Oden? Seriously? I haven’t been keeping track–has he played more than 8 minutes yet?

      • antistratfordian - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

        Yes, he played 13 minutes against San Antonio (and dunked on Duncan). He played almost 11 minutes in the game before that against the Lakers.

        The Heat are very excited about Oden, though they’re trying to hide their enthusiasm publicly.

      • belleby123 - Jan 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

        I see your point: if they get three or four more Odens they’ll have one Roy Hibbert.

      • antistratfordian - Jan 28, 2014 at 8:50 PM

        They already own Hibbert without any Odens.

      • belleby123 - Jan 30, 2014 at 7:06 AM

        False.

  2. vikesdynasty - Jan 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Aww poor LeBron. MJ had no problems carrying his team to 72, 69 and 62 wins in their last 3 peat seasons. He also didn’t team up with Karl Malone and Gary Payton.

    • blueintown - Jan 22, 2014 at 5:04 PM

      …but he did team up with the greatest coach of all time, the greatest rebounder of all time, one of the greatest all-around players of all time, one of the greatest European players of all time, one of the greatest shooters of all time, and a couple of lottery picks.

      • lopezmarc23 - Jan 22, 2014 at 8:23 PM

        No. Blueintown. Teaming up is what the 3 whiny babies in Miami did. None of them could lead their respective teams to Championships to they teamed up together. Phil Jackson was an assistant coach with the Bulls with Zero Head Coaching experience when he got hired as Head Coach. The Bulls traded for Pippens draft rights and developed him. Im sure that they knew in 1987 that he was going to be voted one of the 50 all time greatest players. If you believe that, then you still believe in Santa. Kukoc was also drafted and developed by the Bulls. Rodman was a mess in San Antonio and traded to Chicago. It wasnt planned out like the 3 whiny babies. Kerr came to Chicago in 1993. The first season after Jordan retired for the first time. So he was already on the Bulls roster when MJ came back. Im also sure that the Bulls knew in 93 that Kerr would the Best NBA 3 pt shooter in history, considering he retired 10 yrs later…LMFAO!!! You are such a clown. If your referring to Paxson, drafted and developed by the Bulls. What lottery picks are you talking about??? The Bulls were perrenial playoff contenders the entire Jordan Era and had no lottery picks in the 90s. So get your facts straight before you open your big, dumb mouth. He teamed up with nobody unlike like The Big 3 babies.

      • money2long - Jan 22, 2014 at 8:41 PM

        did jordan team up with them, or did they team up with jordan ? big difference.

      • therooneyskilledwebster - Jan 23, 2014 at 12:47 AM

        Greatest rebounder of all time ? Sounds like someone just took up basketball in the last 15-20 years and never heard of Russell or Chamberlain.

      • belleby123 - Jan 23, 2014 at 8:33 AM

        Good point, blueintown. Wait, how many rings did MJ win with Rodman on the team? Bad point, blueintown.

      • blueintown - Jan 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM

        Um…Three, belleby. They won the championship every single year Rodman was in a Bulls uniform. Your point?

      • blueintown - Jan 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM

        rooney – 100% accurate. I’m just over thirty, so surmising I started to understand and respect the game within the past 15-20 years is absolutely spot on. Obviously, I was not fortunate enough to watch the likes of Russell and Chamberlain on a day in/day out basis; however..

        There is undoubtedly sufficient evidence to put him among the greats, at which point it becomes a matter of opinion. Given what we know about size, eras, competition, yada yada yada, I’m comfortable calling him the greatest based on that and what I watched him do.

      • money2long - Jan 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM

        those guys teamed up with jordan, jordan didnt team up with them

      • blueintown - Jan 23, 2014 at 1:47 PM

        Whoa, Lopez. Calm down.

        He did team up with all those people. He played on the same team as them. How they got there together is irrelevant. As you stated, the Bulls organization did a fantastic job of developing talent. So? I know this may come as a shock to you, but teams that win championships are stacked with talent.

        It really is incredible, I know. For the first six seasons of his career, M.J. wasn’t surrounded by very much talent and didn’t win a damn thing; When he was surrounded by talent, they did. When LeBron James had Mo Williams as a sidekick, he didn’t win anything; when he had Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, he did. It’s time for you to officially subscribe to the belief that the more elite basketball players you have the better your chances to win will be. Perhaps the Cavs organization should have done more to “develop” Mo Williams into an elite player, or the Heat should’ve done more to “develop” Beasley during their first go-around, or the Raptors should have done more to “develop” whoever the second best player on any of those Raptors teams was.

        Not that it matters, but Kukoc wasn’t developed by the Bulls. He was developed playing ball overseas. So? Who cares how he got there or where he was developed? Kerr was one of the greatest 3-point shooters in the league when he joined the Bulls. So what? Who cares that John Paxon was “developed” by the Bulls?

        The lottery picks I was referring to were Ron Harper and Luc Longley.

        Rodman was a mess for two years in San Antonio who also led the league in rebounding for those two years. Then he was a mess in Chicago that led the league in rebounding for three.

        The Bulls had no lottery picks in the 90’s because they were perennial playoff contenders. You literally answer your own argument in the same sentence.

      • bougin89 - Jan 23, 2014 at 3:01 PM

        I actually think the Bulls were really deep and one of the best(if not the best) team ever. But their was almost nothing about “teaming up” with that team. Pippen was really raw when he came in as a rookie(with the Bulls) and one of the main reasons he became so good is Jordan and him went head to head in practice everyday. Jordan pushed Pippen to become greater(and vice versa). That’s mentioned alot when talking about how the Bulls became so good from multiple sources. Jackson had no coaching experience before the Bulls. Toni Kukoc was really good and a great role player but he was just a role player.

        You’re right that Jordan had a lot of talent around him too, no doubt. But to say they “teamed up” is off base. Way off base.

      • belleby123 - Jan 23, 2014 at 5:11 PM

        blueintown – Jan 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM
        Um…Three, belleby. They won the championship every single year Rodman was in a Bulls uniform. Your point?

        Yeah, what was my point? Why are the Heat such an unbelievably godawful rebounding team?

      • blueintown - Jan 23, 2014 at 5:33 PM

        Okay? The Heat are a bad rebounding team. What does that have to do with anything?

  3. vikesdynasty - Jan 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    And he was in his mid 30s during that last 3 peat.

  4. chadley71 - Jan 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    oh boy…. here come the excuses, LBJ can’t be a true PROFESSIONAL & A LEADER to take the responsibility. look for LBJ to demand that the coach be fired, oh wait that was while he was in Cleveland and he has already played that trick in Miami too.

    • blueintown - Jan 22, 2014 at 5:05 PM

      Do you have access to a television?

  5. rodge1 - Jan 22, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    @vikesdynasty

    Don’t forget MJ had a pretty good cast around him. you conveniently left that out like a bitter ex-girlfriend so you could throw some hate to LeBron. Your hate makes Miami happier so keep it up little-lady.

    • lopezmarc23 - Jan 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM

      A pretty good cast that the Bulls for the most part, drafted and developed. Not got together and decided to team up. Big difference.

    • belleby123 - Jan 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM

      MJ had a good cast around him? The Bulls had some key players that helped them get the rings, but the had nowhere near the depth the Heat have now. Pat Riley has done an unbelievable job loading the team with talent–as a Bulls fan it makes me sick every time I think about it. If MJ had that kind of depth on the bench it would’ve been a ten-peat or more.

      • bougin89 - Jan 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

        The Bulls were loaded with top level talent and they did have depth, especially on their second 3 peat.

        Jordan, Pippen, Grant were a very formidable “big three” and the Bulls had defensive minded bigs on the bench and a bunch of little guards that could hit open shots(Armstrong, Paxson, Hodges). They complimented Jordan and Pippen really well.

        The Second 3 peat they were absolutely loaded with veteran talent like the Heat but I’d argue they were even more loaded and had greater chemistry.

        The only thing that stopped the Bulls from winning 8 in a row might have been MJ’s 1st retirement. That’s far from certain but they had the talent to win 8 in a row.

      • belleby123 - Jan 23, 2014 at 5:06 PM

        Hodges wasn’t in the league very long before he was blacklisted. I don’t recall him even getting a ring. Perhaps you want to put Steve Kerr on that list instead. Ron Harper was great too. But they played against some really good teams. The talent on the Heat is more disproportionate to the other teams in the East by comparison. Or do you think the East has a bunch of really good teams–in the Twilight Zone, perhaps? I don’t see much comparison to what’s going on now vs. the adversity the Bulls had. On the other hand, it should be said that Jerry Krause did do a good job with the supporting cast around Jordan, but when you have centers like Will Perdue and Luc Longley to imply they had an All Star cast is just silly.

      • bougin89 - Jan 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM

        I’m trying to find one thing you said that makes sense.

        “Hodges wasn’t in the league very long before he was blacklisted. I don’t recall him even getting a ring.”
        2 rings with the Bulls. Played 11 seasons in the NBA.

        “Perhaps you want to put Steve Kerr on that list instead.”
        -Kerr wasn’t on the team during their first three (like the guys I listed when talking about their first three peat)

        “But they played against some really good teams.”
        -Who they destroyed. Nobody except for the Knicks got close to knocking them out of the playoffs in their championship seasons. The East was better in the 90’s but the Bulls were head and shoulders above the rest(because they had a great roster)

        “Or do you think the East has a bunch of really good teams–in the Twilight Zone, perhaps?”
        I never brought up other teams.

        “I don’t see much comparison to what’s going on now vs. the adversity the Bulls had.”
        What adversity? The Bulls were one of the best offensive and defensive teams in the league in the 90’s. They had little adversity when they were winning because they were so good.

        “but when you have centers like Will Perdue and Luc Longley to imply they had an All Star cast is just silly.”
        Who implied that they are all stars? The Bulls all stars were Jordan, Pippen, Grant/Rodman. That’s enough all stars. You need to round out your roster with complimentary pieces/specialist, which the Bulls had in abundance.

      • belleby123 - Jan 26, 2014 at 12:07 PM

        a)According to Wikipedia Hodges played 10 seasons in the NBA, so you were close. He only played from ’88 to ’92 with the Bulls, but I didn’t know that he had played for other teams before that.
        b) It’s interesting that you say I don’t make sense, because when you said: “The Bulls were loaded with top level talent and they did have depth, especially on their second 3 peat.” You then went on to mention players in the first 3 peat. I mentioned Steve Kerr, and you’re like, “You idiot, I was talking about the first 3 peat!” Well, you were in the second sentence, but you weren’t in the first sentence. Kudos, you through me off with that bit of scrambled eggs thought process! This one is a real gem, though: ““Or do you think the East has a bunch of really good teams–in the Twilight Zone, perhaps?”
        I never brought up other teams.” Who gives a rat’s ass what you brought up? It’s germane to the conversation. I can’t tell if you’re just intellectually dishonest or stupid. Do I need to explain how the other teams in the East are relative to what’s being discussed? I don’t believe I do. I’m going with intellectually dishonest. You do have a chance to redeem yourself and address the point. I’m guessing you’re afraid to do so because you’re not man enough to admit you’re wrong. Case in point:
        c)”“but when you have centers like Will Perdue and Luc Longley to imply they had an All Star cast is just silly.”
        Who implied that they are all stars?” Here’s your quote: “The Bulls were loaded with top level talent”. So when you say “loaded” you are just kind of leaving off the three extremely mediocre centers of Perdue, Wennington, and Longley? Sure they had good players. But not at center. AT ALL. So “loaded with talent” is a dubious distinction. You see your mistake now, right? That’s enough dissecting for now. You want to say something that shows that you aren’t a coward, and the you can follow along with the discussion and respond cogently to points that are raised, go for it. I don’t believe you can.

      • bougin89 - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:43 AM

        ““You idiot, I was talking about the first 3 peat!” ”

        This just shows really poor interpretation skills. I never said “You idiot”. I’m an adult, I wouldn’t talk so childish.

        The Bulls were loaded with top level talent, especially in there second three peat. That’s why they absolutely destroyed the rest of the league.

        Was the rest of the East/NBA just that bad or were the Bulls just that good. I’m arguing the Bulls were just that good.

        They won 72 game in 95-96 and were 1st in offensive rating and 1st in defensive rating even though Rodman missed 18 games that season. Their centers were average. They were all defensive minded bigs that played their role effectively. Clearly Jordan, Pippen and Kukoc(in the second 3peat) did the heavy lifting on offense. The only other guy that had the ball in their hands at a high rate was Harper. The rest of their team was filled with catch and shoot players Kerr, Buechler, Longley.

        Look at their playoff record, they completely dominated in the playoffs as well(they were 15-3 in the playoffs). Was it the competition or were they just that good? I can go more in depth about their playoff dominance. I’ll start with that though.

        Now look at the Heat. They’ve won the East the last 3 years but have been far from dominant in doing so. And the East is weaker now than it was in the 90’s. They’ve gone 14-7 each of the last two postseasons and basically had first round bye’s playing the Knicks and Bucks and last year in the second round they had a Rose-less, Deng-less, Noah(on one foot) Bulls team that they went 4-1 against.

        “Here’s your quote: “The Bulls were loaded with top level talent”.”

        They were loaded with top level talent. Jordan, Pippen, Grant/Rodman were top level talent. I’d even throw Kukoc in there as top level talent. The rest of their roster was built with role players that fit their system. Their bigs Longley, Wennington, Jason Caffey, etc would fit into that category. The Heat could actually use some more “average” big men, since they’re a really bad rebounding team.

        Are you implying the Heat have a bunch of all stars on their bench?

        I was incorrect about Hodges. He did only play 10 seasons. I would however consider a decade in the NBA a long career.

        “I never brought up other teams.” Who gives a rat’s ass what you brought up? It’s germane to the conversation. I can’t tell if you’re just intellectually dishonest or stupid.”

        Well since the original comment was comparing The Heat versus and Bulls no I didn’t bring up other teams until you made a comment about the Bulls having more adversity than the Heat, which they didn’t. The Bulls were much better than their competition(read: more dominate) in the 90’s than the Heat are today. Who is being, as you put it, intellectually dishonest or stupid?

  6. vikesdynasty - Jan 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    I love how you Miami guys gets so butthurt. Rofl. Michael didn’t team up with anyone, his team was put together by a GM and the coach was hired by a GM/Owner. Phil Jackson was not a HOF coach when he started. Rodman was a psycho and MJ was the reason he stayed in check. I’ll give you guys Pippen but that’s it. Lebron is great but just as an all around player his intangibles for leadership are non existent. If Lebron didn’t have Wade or Pat Riley he wouldn’t have made it past the second round. MJ didn’t have Dominique or Hakeem or Shaq. Pippen was a good second tier player like Bosh. You’re all delusional if you think LBJ could ever hold a candle to MJ. MJ won 6 of 8 titles. If he never had retired they would’ve won 8 in row and maybe 9 had they kept the team together in 1999 as well. Hand checking rule as well changed in 2004 theres so many variables. Do yourself a favor and watch some old games of MJ or even YouTube highlights of him. There’s nothing on the planet like him nor will there ever be.

  7. vikesdynasty - Jan 22, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    I had a quite the post written up but clearly pbt didn’t approve of it and didn’t want to post it. Mind you it bad no name calling or swearing. Just opinions so that’s fine. I know who was the best ever and I’m good with that.

  8. kb2408 - Jan 22, 2014 at 10:43 PM

    Meanwhile the leagues MVP is doing what MVP’s do; which is carry his team and not whine. Westbrook has been hurt the majority of this season and what is KD doing? Well, tonight he went over 30 AGAIN. He is not complaining about Westbrook not being in the lineup. He is doing whatever it takes for OKC to win and he is the runaway league MVP.

  9. belleby123 - Jan 23, 2014 at 8:39 AM

    I have to admit that I find LeBron’s comments to the media more entertaining than watching him as a player. If he’s not complaining about imaginary flagrants he’s never gotten, he’s telling us that flopping is a good strategy. Now he says the Heat’s “rhythm is off”, but what he really means is they have no business playing so lackluster with the level of talent that they have.

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