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Tuesday And-1 Links: Family Feud fans think Shaq is second best player ever

Jan 14, 2014, 7:20 PM EST

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Here is our regular look around the NBA — links to stories worth reading and notes to check out (stuff that did not get its own post here at PBT) — done in bullet point form. Because bloggers love bullet points.

• That photo you see to the right (courtesy The Big Lead) is from a recent episode of Family Feud, where they surveyed the audience with the question “Who is the second best NBA player of all time?” This assumes that Michael Jordan is the best ever, which is the conventional wisdom but certainly up for debate, but we’ll let that part go. Shaq? When focused certainly he was one of the top centers the game has ever seen, he’s racked up rings and accolades, but second best ever? Kobe Bryant ahead of Magic Johnson? Well, it is the Family Feud audience, so as with any survey it really depends on the demographic you ask the question to… these are not hoop fans.

• Along those lines, often when this comes up I like to stick up for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar needing to be in the GOAT conversation and rarely getting mentioned. Maybe it was because he was not friendly to the press. Maybe it’s because we often picture him with the Showtime Lakers teams at the end of his career when he was good but not quite the same player. Maybe it’s because when he was at his peak he was in Milwaukee. Maybe it’s because he’s 7’2″ and fundamentally sound so the game looked easy for him, not like he spent countless hours in the gym to make it look that way. Anyway, the resume again is six NBA titles, six time MVP, two time Finals MVP, more points scored than anyone in the history of the NBA, most indefensible single shot in the history of the game, and 20 time NBA All-Star.

• A Celtics assistant coach is going to run in the Boston Marathon this year, which will be a powerful and emotional experience.

• A fantastic look by Zach Harper of what the Timberwolves have to do to win close games (they are 0-10 in games decided by 5 points or less).

LeBron’s marketing firm to represent Johnny Manziel.

• Add Jeremy Lin to the list of people who hate “hack-a-Howard” or hacking anyone else.

• Look for Carlos Delfino to return to the Bucks lineup before the All-Star break.

It costs more than you think to take care of Kobe’s bald head.

• Finally, from SB Nation a graphic look at how rough Anthony Bennett‘s rookie season has been, using PER as a measure.

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  1. ufools - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    File this under ‘who gives a crap’

    • asimonetti88 - Jan 14, 2014 at 8:35 PM

      I’m surprised no one voted for Oliver Miller

  2. vikesdynasty - Jan 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    Michael Jordan greatest is debatable? Wow how everyone forgets how great he truly was. He was Lebron/Kobe put together before they were out of pajamas. Easy to forget when he’s been out of the league for a decade.

    • Kurt Helin - Jan 15, 2014 at 4:24 AM

      If you don’t think it’s debatable you never saw Magic, Kareem, Russell and so on. It is debatable, that’s the fun of GOAT discussions.

      • bkbell3 - Jan 15, 2014 at 7:20 AM

        russell shot 45% from the field as a center and got killed regularly by wilt.Championships have nothing to do the with GOAT.Another guy on boston won 10 chips, i think he is SAM Jones? Why is he not in the running? Chips are about teams and dollars and good front offices and a lot of luck in staying healthy and other teams being injured and coaching etc. Magic played on loaded teams and Jordon got pipen and chi. reloaded with role players year after year etc. GOAT should be about the best most skilled player. If Jordon lost 6 game sevens on last second shots all in overtime would that make him less talented?

      • dinofrank60 - Jan 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM

        Thank you, Kurt for saying that it is debatable and it is the fun of GOAT discussions. Unfortunately, you have people who are astounded that there were good players before Jordan and are amazed that anyone would think MJ isn’t the greatest athlete in American history.

  3. brutl - Jan 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

    Those answers are better suited for “Who is the second best Laker of all time.”
    And even then how did Magic get picked third?

  4. smoothaswilkes - Jan 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM

    “Maybe it’s because when he was at his peak he was in Milwaukee.”

    Uh, those two MVPs KAJ won his first two years as a Laker disagrees with that statement!

    Kareem should definitely be in the GOAT converstation! He was the anti-Magic in terms of personality but he was the MJ and LBJ of his generation. Check his HS and college career. Pure domination.

    Add all his accomplishments in the NBA with the fact he was in a movie with Bruce Lee, and I have no clue why he doesn’t get the love he deserves.

  5. money2long - Jan 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM

    im not sure of the sample size of survey takers, but it’s still amazing that shaq and kobe finished at the top of the poll considering they were teammates. what a tandem they were.

  6. adoombray - Jan 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

    Boston strong is a sticker they put on buses. Let me tell you as a student at Tamerlan’s former school and a guy who lives within walking distance of where that family shacked up at. Boston responded in the BEST way possible, we moved on with our lives. So stop telling us what emotional experiences we are having. The coaches and officials say that stuff to the press because you’ll kill them if they don’t. Buying Boston strong shirts just pays smart merchandisers who are cashing in on your sympathy. If you want to support us here in Boston, stop reminding us of what happened at every chance. We don’t care. Caring gives mad men a platform and those people don’t deserve one. Well, that and we have swept the Knicks so far this year so stop ruining our sports vibe.

  7. kanemoney - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:18 AM

    Ugh Bill Russel has to make the list people. Count the rings.

    • rtwoj - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:27 AM

      Guy…. It’s FAMILY FEUD! Settle down.

  8. vikesdynasty - Jan 15, 2014 at 5:02 AM

    You saw Bill Russell play Kurt? Lol right. Kareem and Magic were great obviously but they never transcended the game like MJ did. Bird and Magic brought it closer to home and you can throw in Kareem on that too. But they didn’t have EVERY player on opposing teams hating you like MJ did. What MJ did is beyond words. His persona, his aggression, the love for the game are never going to be matched. Do you remember the following the Bulls had? That wasn’t for Scottie Pippen. They won 6 of 8 titles and the only reason they didn’t win 8 out of 8 was he retired. Hell if they kept that team together they probably would’ve won in 99 too. The closest thing to him is Magic/Kobe/LBJ put together. Come back with something better sir

  9. mrtreyseven - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:23 AM

    i think Wilt doesnt have near as many rings as Russell because he beat Wilt multiple times in the Finals

  10. aboogy123456 - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    I think MJ is the second best ever and kobe is the very best. It’s debatable though.

    • dstroi - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:49 AM

      aboogy123456, please elaborate? I have had the privilege to see both MJ and Kobe Bryant play. However, Kobe just doesn’t have the same flare or talent as MJ in my opinion. I strongly believe that Kobe (who is a great player) modeled his game after MJ, but compare the accolades between the two. Remember, when you compare their stats, keep in mind that Kobe has a longer career. Imagine if MJ didn’t retire in 94’? What he did for the game of basketball is uncanny and this is coming from a Celtics fan! Side note: I do not think Shaq was a better center than Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon or Bill Russell, but he is definitely in the top 5 (again, my opinion). Then you got Bird, Magic, Oscar Robertson, Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Earl Monroe etc. The list could go on but for me, Jordan was the best of all time. Lebron could obviously be the “one” depending on what he does from here on out. Thanks

  11. davidly - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:14 AM

    Okay, first I was gonna say because the tape the show in Hollywood, or something, which might have explained the Laker-centrism and the recognizability of Bird as a rival of the same.

    But then I checked and saw that they tape in Atlanta. So, I’m thinking the demographic is 1) really young 2) watch Shaq on the teevee 3) see posters for that Bird/Magic, uh, “play” all over town 4) LBJ is their generation’s MJ

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