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PBT Extra: Fallout from Bynum/Deng trade for Bulls, Cavaliers and Bynum himself

Jan 8, 2014, 6:42 PM EDT

It’s been the talk of the NBA and it’s the talk of the latest PBT Extra — the Cavaliers/Bulls trade of Andrew Bynum for Luol Deng.

Kay Adams asks me what a lot of people have — is this it for Bynum in the NBA? No, not in the least, but how much he gets paid in his next deal and how long it is for will be interesting.

Then we talk about the future of the Bulls (retooling on the fly) and if the Cavaliers can make the playoffs now. Because I guess getting a bottom seed in the East and getting crushed by Miami or Indiana in the first round is important to Dan Gilbert.

  1. jthammerstix - Jan 8, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    What a dickhead jab at the end of the article. Should the team not try to get better and compete? You’re an idiot and I look forward to ignoring all future posts by you.

    • zerole00 - Jan 9, 2014 at 9:41 AM

      It might have been dickish, but he’s not wrong. Remember, there’s a reason teams are “tanking” in the first place. The Deng trade doesn’t make the Cavs a contender, and if you’re not a contender, you’re in the Hellish middleground of being a first/second round knock out.

      The system’s broken but it is what it is.

  2. kcoral - Jan 8, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    You really don’t understand that tanking and adding another super-young player that will take 3 years to develop is NOT a good idea for the Cavs? You don’t think the experience gained by the young Cavs core even in a playoff sweep will be invaluable for the franchise as a whole? You know nothing about basketball then…

    • Kurt Helin - Jan 8, 2014 at 7:59 PM

      I know what wins in the NBA is talent, and I know the Cavaliers need a lot more of it. For the record, the real good players don’t need three years to develop, just the guys the Cavs draft.

      • sun602 - Jan 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

        I know this is a blog and not espy (LOL!), but when you get personal, Kurt, you lose credibility. Similar to your jabs against the knicks. You might be right, but when you become personal instead of objective, you lose your audience.

      • bambino5130 - Jan 8, 2014 at 11:33 PM

        Sorry Kurt, talent doesn’t win in the NBA, but teamwork & defense does. NBA winning? For every Jordan there is a Steve Kerr/ John Paxon, Kobe an Horry, Duncan a Bruce Bowen, James a Miller/Allan. Now I wouldn’t call those nonsuperstars talentless hacks but talent does not consistently win in that or any league.

        For the record who was the last Rookie of the Year to Win the Finals & MVP in his first season? Magic? Because it doesn’t f’in happen. Three years to develop, what the hell? Maybe it takes 3 years to develop a decent journalist?

    • fanofthegame79 - Jan 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM

      I disagree, kcoral. Tanking hasn’t yielded great results. And most analysts will tell you that there are no moral victories in the NBA. So getting swept in the 1st round probably won’t give these young guys much experience. As a matter of fact, one could argue that being swept could be damaging to a young team looking to break through. Especially when your management doesn’t seem to draft well and Cleveland doesn’t have many stars knocking on the door to come play there (even when they had LeBron and 60+ win seasons).

  3. adoombray - Jan 8, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    there still needs to be 8th seeds, and yeah, the Cavs have sucked for so long that the assumed crushing by miami and indiana would send a strong message to the local fans, which you are assuming before even the all star break (one blown LeBron ACL or a Paul George ripped Hammy and it’s a whole new ballgame).

    At some point, we as NBA fans, have got to stand up and let the league know that we won’t tolerate teams only trying it they think they can win a championship. Imagine if Cavs fans only bought tickets and jerseys when the team was winning. Lose by choice culture is the reason that NBA is just something most people care about in the playoffs.

  4. jamesk2465 - Jan 8, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    There’s plenty of players that took time to develop. Kobe Bryant and Tracy Mcgrady both didn’t avg more than 20 pts till their 4th year. Everyone diff

    • fanofthegame79 - Jan 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

      Yeah but they were taken 13th and 9th, respectively. The Cavs are picking high, like in the lotto high (1st picks).

    • dinofrank60 - Jan 8, 2014 at 9:02 PM

      Especially since the trend in the NBA is to draft young. Young players have a lot of talent, but contributing on an NBA team takes more than talent.

  5. northstarnic - Jan 9, 2014 at 12:29 AM

    Fan: seriously? You’re saying that players should develop more quickly than Kobe because of their position in their draft? He’s the best of his generation, I think his draft position is far from relevant at this point.

    • armymule - Jan 9, 2014 at 4:36 AM

      I think what he is saying is that Kobe Bryant was picked where he was in the draft because people knew that although he had the potential to be great it was going to take a few years for that talent to develop. But if you are picking in a top five spot you generally can’t wait years to wait. You need to win now. So the general wisdom is that you should be picking a player that can help you put wins on the board right away.

      And it used to be that way with the draft. If you were picking one of the top spots you were getting a player that had spent three years in college, had developed his game, and could contribute right away. But now you’re getting some one and doner whose games still look like Swiss cheese because it has so many holes in it.

    • 1heatedtoombrayduh - Jan 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM

      if youre picked number one i think the point is they expect immediate impact

  6. kcoral - Jan 9, 2014 at 12:39 AM

    Oh really, Henlin. Please point out the all-stars who are in their 3rd year or less. Kyrie. That’s one. Ummm…yeah. Whatever. You can take shots at the Cavs but no one from TT’s class or Dion’s class are anywhere near all-star level cept Kyrie. So I guess it does take time to develop young one and done-ers. Btw, Dion’s rookie year numbers are and will continue to be better than Olidiapo’s. Fair comparison cuz they’re the same age. Waiters also has a better FG% than Beal. Do some research for a change instead always taking cheap shots on the Cavs.

  7. asublimeday - Jan 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM

    I don’t always agree with Kurt, but he just came on here and schooled Cavs fans.

    That’s what I love about PBT and hate about PFT: the PBT writers are involved and encourage open discussion, even when it doesn’t agree with what they post.

    If you even slightly disagree with the spelling and grammar error-riddled crap that the PFT writers spew out, your comment isn’t posted.

    Long live PBT. Great article, Kurt.

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