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Gasol-Bynum trade talks update: Cavs reportedly unwilling to include Dion Waiters

Jan 5, 2014, 3:30 PM EDT

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Talks remain ongoing between the Lakers and the Cavaliers about a trade involving Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum.

And with Cleveland under a deadline of sorts to get a deal done before Bynum’s contract becomes fully guaranteed Jan. 7, it’s not surprising that L.A. is sticking to its guns in terms of wanting an asset in return for Gasol in addition to the financial relief that the trade would provide.

Cleveland has been unwilling to include more than a second round pick to this point, which hasn’t yet been enough in the Lakers eyes to give up Gasol. The latest report had L.A. seeking an up-and-coming young talent still on his rookie contract, but the Cavs have been similarly firm in their position.

Waiters is a shooting guard who really likes to shoot, but often does so at a low percentage. Many around the league see a lot of potential in the second year player, however, as evidenced by his invite to USA Basketball’s mini-camp in Las Vegas this past summer.

It’s unrealistic to believe the Cavaliers would include the player they selected with the fourth overall pick in the 2012 NBA Draft in a deal to eliminate the mistake of signing Bynum while securing no more than a half-season or so of Gasol’s services. But you can’t blame the Lakers for asking, or for their remaining steadfast in their demand to receive an asset back in return for a player of Gasol’s stature.

  1. pukpokito - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Lakers are so used to turning trade partners into suckers that it feels normal.Look at this trade. It put the lakers go under tax threshold this year and next year, avoiding repeater tax penalty & letting them be tax team in Kobe’s final year all while saving them millions and turning that into profit and they still want SG Dion Waiters who was a former #4 overall pick.
    No way.Not until you give up Xavier Henry or Nick Young.

    • JHathwell - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM

      How does it put them under the tax next year?

      • pukpokito - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:49 PM

        The luxury tax is computed at the end of the season. Getting the obligation of paying Pau’s Salary off your salary cap going forward after a trade is made will lower your salary cap which will bring them down if not out of the luxury tax bracket. The lakers if and when will waive Bynum’s non guaranteed deal relieving the Lakers of any financial obligations for both Pau(gone)and Bynum going forward.

    • aboogy123456 - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM

      It makes sense for most teams but the lakers have never been a team to make a trade just to save expenses. If they make a trade that will legitimately help them this summer then I’m all for it.

  2. 00maltliquor - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    Good, I’m unwilling to accept him! C’mon Lakers, not Waiters! Unless you are gonna use him as trade bait later.

  3. dinofrank60 - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM

    First, Team Gilbert cries about the CP3 deal. Now they want the Lakers to take Bynum and some bodies without a heartbeat for Gasol. They smell weakness and the Lakers are weak. But the Lakers do not have to give in.

  4. JHathwell - Jan 5, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    But they were gonna be under either way.. This trade has absolutely no bearing on that.

  5. johngalt1783 - Jan 5, 2014 at 4:06 PM

    Not sure why the Lakers would want Waiters. They already have Jodie Meeks who while not as athletic is a far better shooter. I can’t imagine them wanting Waiters for his defense. No one who has played at Syracuse since Boeheim has been coach can play NBA defense.

  6. chief0727 - Jan 5, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Lakers are delusional. The Cavs are completely in the drivers seat here. The Lakers are the team, not the Cavs, who are going to have to pay the luxury tax. If you want to dump salary then you’ll take Bynum, Gee and a 2nd round draft choice–otherwise enjoy cutting that 20 million dollar luxury tax check. Even if the Lakers get 100% healthy–their probably a 7th or 8th seed playoff team in the West. Seems to me the only thing worse than getting eliminated in the 1st round is getting eliminated in the 1st round and then cutting a $20,000,000 check to David Stern.

    • JHathwell - Jan 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM

      What drivers seat? Cleveland is gonna cut bynum in 2 days if they don’t pull off a trade. They are trying to get somethng for nothing here.

      • chief0727 - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:06 PM

        @jhathwell..the drivers seat lies in the fact the Lakers don’t want to trade for Bynum to actually play him—they want him so they can cut him and save on the luxury tax. The Cavs don’t have to pay the luxury tax. The Lakers have more to gain financially by trading for, and then cutting Bynum than the Cavs do by merely releasing him. Do you actually think the Lakerx are going to wait for the Cavs to cut Bynum and then claim him? They would be adding payroll and increasing their luxury tax. That’s why the Cavs are in the drivers seat. Owned !

      • JHathwell - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM

        I had a good chuckle at this.

      • asimonetti88 - Jan 5, 2014 at 10:32 PM

        except the Lakers can hold out on the Cavs and the Cavs will have to fold and face getting nothing for Bynum as opposed to something. The Lakers can still deal Gasol to someone else for cap space for another month. Cleveland has little to no leverage with the January 7 deadline, when everyone else is working on a February deadline.

    • asimonetti88 - Jan 5, 2014 at 5:04 PM

      The Cavs have little to no leverage. Everyone knows that the Cavs will be cutting Bynum on Tuesday if they can’t pull a trade, and are desperate to get an asset of some type rather than nothing. I would say that does not necessarily put them in the driver seat in any trade talks regarding Bynum.

      • Kurt Helin - Jan 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

        Their leverage is Utah with Jefferson. Or they keep him and cut him themselves and save Dan Gilbert money. They have the asset people want (Bynum) they are in the drivers’ seat.

      • asimonetti88 - Jan 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

        If they are in the drivers seat, why don’t they hold out on the Lakers and Jazz then? Because they can’t. The Lakers and Jazz have time on their side, the Cavs do not.

  7. jgray30 - Jan 5, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    I’d take Jarret Jack…

    • money2long - Jan 5, 2014 at 4:57 PM

      he’s good, but not considered asset worthy. definitely a good piece don’t get me wrong.

  8. bchapman2011 - Jan 5, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    Actually, David Stern will not be the commissioner in 3 weeks. There will be even greater demand for Gasol as the deadline approaches which is why the Cavs will throw in another asset. They have to throw in another asset no matter what in order to make the trade $ work.

  9. sportsjunkie76 - Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    Unless the Cavs throw in Tristan Thompson, there are no assets on the Cavs that would be worth including.

  10. Fantasy Football Consultant - Jan 5, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    They wanna cut loose of a bad contract. Pick up a quality player in Gasoline and give up nothing? Nah. Lakers know better

    • bougin89 - Jan 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

      Bynum has the perfect contract for a salary dump trade because Bynum would cost the Lakers $0 if they cut him. Bynum’s contract is a real asset to a team looking to dump salary that’s the Cavs leverage in any trade.

  11. Fantasy Football Consultant - Jan 5, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    They wanna cut loose of a bad contract. Pick up a quality player in Gasoline and give up nothing? Nah. Lakers know better

    • shanelsweet - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:27 PM

      That Bynum contract isn’t a bad contract. For a losing team who’s looking at a luxury tax bill, it has value right now to the tune of several million dollars. That’s the definition of a good contract don’t you think? The Lakers don’t seem to think Gasoline is worth what they’re paying him. Getting the Cavs to pay him instead has value too. Welcome to the new world under the CBA. Folks have been trying to tell the Lakers fans that for several months.

  12. beast2727 - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Irving and waiters for Kendall Marshall and Pau seems pretty even. Might even be a little in favor of the lakers given how well Marshall Is playing

    • basketballhooper1 - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:53 PM

      hahaha, man you’re the same troll that wrote that other article, gotta say its pretty funny though :p

    • muhangis - Jan 6, 2014 at 5:31 AM

      Are u serious?

  13. beast2727 - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    Irving and waiters for Kendall Marshall and Pau seems reasonable. Cabs might need to throw in a draft pick given how well Marshall is playing

    • bougin89 - Jan 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM

      Nice

  14. djshnooks - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    Wow, Irving and waiters for pau and Kendall Marshall?

    Dude must be on some good stuff. Especially thinking the cavs would STILL have to throw in a draft pick!!! Lmfao

  15. chief0727 - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    @jhathwell–I’m glad you had a chuckle. Learning is supposed to be fun

    • JHathwell - Jan 5, 2014 at 9:28 PM

      So what…no apology?

      • chief0727 - Jan 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

        Apology? For ??? No apology necessary. It will be interesting to see how this plays out for the Lakers if they don’t trade for the Bynum salary dump. Their currently 5 games out of the last spot, 1/2 a season left and nowhere near healthy.

  16. JHathwell - Jan 5, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    @chief0727 You’d be right if there weren’t other ways for the Lakers to get out from under the tax. At seven million over the number, they can get under by shipping off a few contracts (take your pick from Kaman, Hill, Blake) to under the cap teams for nothing but trade exceptions or picks. You can save around as 4mm by trading Gasol anywhere, so they don’t need Cleveland. Trade Pau elsewhere for expirings and an asset or two, then ship off Blake and voila, you’re under the tax.

    So…Am I still owned?

    • chief0727 - Jan 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM

      Nah your not owned—your on lease. The only problem I see with your possible scenarios is who’s going to do the Lakers a favor and take on those contracts without sending someone back to the Lakers? Finding the right trade partners and getting under the cap is going to be extremely tough for the Lakers. That’s why the Bynum trade makes sense for them. Unload Gasol’s salary for Bynum and Gee. Cut Bynum and suddenly their under the cap. Then if they make any additional trades they can possibly create even more cap room for themselves.

      • JHathwell - Jan 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM

        Wow. You have no idea what you are talking about.

        Thank for playing, please drive through now.

  17. jkaflagg - Jan 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM

    A key part of perpetuating the Laker Dynasty has been fleecing helpless teams like Cleveland of their best players in exchange for odds-and-ends and low draft picks….I’ve always been convinced that the Memphis GM and owner received championship rings from LA for delivering Pau Gasol…..

    Sounds as though the Cavs have figured this out, but it doesn’t hurt the Lakers to ask…With half of the NBA (and all but two teams in the Eastern Conference) pretty much hopeless and not likely to improve any time soon, somebody might get desperate and give up value for Gasol….and this time David Stern won’t be around to protect them…

  18. harshedmellow - Jan 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Gasol is a bad fit with D’Antoni… and seems out of Gas (haha). He’s getting long in the tooth for a big man.

    On the other hand he’s a fully legit big, and those don’t grow on trees. Just like trees, haha. Whatever the fork it is that the Lakers are up to with Kobe’s insane contract extension etc…. It’s at least amusing to watch.

    Lakers = Knicks-of-the-West. Mark my words. Futility and frustration shall ensue.

  19. peddealer - Jan 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Dion “In one more year I’ll be broke and be your IHOP waiter” Waiters?!?!? And Cleveland acts like he’s worth something?!?!? LMAO

    The NBA rigged the Lottery 2x’s for yall after lebron left and you still find a way to suck balls

  20. antistratfordian - Jan 5, 2014 at 11:41 PM

    The Cavs should do it. Pau is worth more than Bynum and Waiters combined.

  21. lhollis74 - Jan 6, 2014 at 12:22 AM

    Simple truth is, pau doesn’t want to play for d’antoni. And as a lakers fan I don’t blame him. Let me get my head wrapped around this: I’m (pau) a multiple time all star even from the days of being Memphis’ first all star, have won 2 nba world titles and 1 world basketball championship with Spain and you (d’antoni) want to just completely disregard using my strengths by feeding me the ball in the low post and run this “system” of yours?
    This whole debacle is pathetic! If you are paying attention you’ll see that pau is getting touches, as d’antoni claims, but 90% of the time pau is catch in the ball near the free throw line already facing up! there aren’t very many intentional post up plays ran for pau down on the block. I don’t care who you are, if your coach insists that you play in a way that is contradictory to what you do best, at some time your frustration will cause you to seek relief, and relief for pau is one thing, finding a new coach.

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