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Report: Knicks’ owner shoots down trade to get team Kyle Lowry

Dec 13, 2013, 8:45 AM EDT

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There is a whole lot of spin going on around the idea of a trade of Kyle Lowry from the Raptors to the Knicks, but a couple of themes seem to be consistent:

1) The Raptors want a lot to give up Lowry. By a lot we mean Raymond Felton plus some combination of Iman Shumpert, Tim Hardaway Jr. and a first round pick (likely two of those last three). Metta World Peace could be in there, also.

2) The Knicks — and particularly owner James Dolan — are hesitant to give up that much.

So the deal appears stalled at least as of Friday morning. Here is what the Frank Isola reports at the New York Daily News.

According to a source familiar with the talks, Dolan had second thoughts about trading for Lowry and was also — what else? — enraged that details of the proposed deal had been leaked to the media.

According to several reports, the Knicks were prepared to trade Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace plus Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway Jr. or a 2018 first-round pick. The Raptors preferred the first-round pick, but Dolan — who negotiated the Carmelo Anthony trade with Raptors GM Masai Ujiri when Ujiri was with the Denver Nuggets — got cold feet about trading a future asset. That could open the door for the Brooklyn Nets to acquire Lowry instead.

“Dolan didn’t want to get fleeced again by Masai,” was how one Knicks source put it. “They had a deal ready.”

Remember then Knicks GM Donnie Walsh was offering a lot less for ‘Melo figuring they would just sign him as a free agent in the summer if the Ujiri and the Nuggets didn’t want to make a deal. However Dolan was impatient, came in over the top and gave up all the supporting pieces the Knicks could use now to get ‘Melo. That deal got ripped publicly, particularly outside New York.

All of that lines up fairly closely to what Adrian Wojnarowski reported at Yahoo Sports.

The Knicks have no appetite for including Shumpert or rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. in a package. Knicks owner Jim Dolan is sensitive to the public perception that Toronto general manager Masai Ujiri bamboozled New York in the Carmelo Anthony trade, and the chance of getting panned for giving up too much in a deal for Lowry has become a hurdle in these talks, league sources told Yahoo Sports…

Several teams are pursuing Lowry, but the Knicks’ most direct competition for him could come from the Brooklyn Nets, who are also exploring the possibility of a deal, league sources said. Brooklyn has resisted the inclusion of its 2020 first-round pick in a package, nor one of its top young players, including rookie Mason Plumlee, sources said.

The Raptors would like to get a deal done by Dec. 19 because any player they get before then can be flipped again at the trade deadline. Any deals after that date and they are stuck with him.

Toronto had shopped Lowry around before but stepped up efforts after it got Greiveis Vasquez as part of the Rudy Gay deal.

Lowry would be an upgrade over Felton, who is out for a couple of weeks with a hamstring injury and wasn’t playing up to his usual level before that anyway. Lowry isn’t a great shooter but makes smart decisions about when to shoot, plus he is a better defender.

  1. zerole00 - Dec 13, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    So there’s the possibility that the Nets are getting closer to giving up their picks for the next DECADE? lol wow

  2. jolink653 - Dec 13, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    Fleeced would be an understatement if Dolan went through with any of those trades that included Shumpert or Hardaway. It would be more like bent over Pulp Fiction, ball gag in the mouth style. I must have missed the part where Kyle Lowry is good enough to warrant giving up a young player and a first round pick.

    For once Dolan’s ego getting in the way is a good thing

  3. csbanter - Dec 13, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Its hard to believe Dolan even knows who Kyle Lowry is. The only time he gets involved is when signing a player such as Melo and raising ticket prices are on the agenda.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      that’s why you know this trade is bull-sheet, to give up all that was mentioned I want cp3, because Shumpert, Hardaway are players and they will be building blocks and Lowry has
      no shooting ability, this is a rip off trade.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        Shumpert and Hardaway are not “building blocks,” they’re nice complementary pieces while they’re still on their rookie contracts. Once they get expensive in FA, they’re not that valuable.

  4. timberwolvesbrisin - Dec 13, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    If i were the raps I woulnt want “shump.” I think he is overrated b/c he is in NY. He is a good piece for a winning team, but I cant see much use for the Raps with him. Same with Hardaway, he’s going to be a solid rotation player, but not really a piece for a rebuilding team that is 3-4 yrs aw ay at least.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      Not at all overrated. He is being stifled because he is playing with whimsical Melo, thereby preventing Shump from displaying his full ability. I automatically discount anyone’s point when they pull the outta towner inferiority complex line of “X and Y are overrated only because they play in New York,” because it usually does not follow any logic.

      • fanofevilempire - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

        I guess Kevin believes he has some credentials, like a scout, he doesn’t and I don’t give a sheet what he has to say. He doesn’t even knbow what a building block is or how free agency works, he doesn’t know the Knicks lost several key building blocks in the Melo trade. I hope Kevin doesn’t quit his day job.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        Why don’t you just change your handle to “fanofadhominem” and get it over with?

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

      wtf do you know, wtf has the Twolves ever won?
      more bull sheet!

  5. drobstad - Dec 13, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    Lowry is an UFA at the end of this season. I don’t understand how the asking price for him can be this high. He’s not even an all-star calibur player. He’s a top 10 point guard who will leave whatever team acquires him at the end of the season.

    • 5xchamp24 - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:10 AM

      hes not even top 10. maybe top 15 arguably.
      Paul
      Curry
      Westbrook
      Wall
      Rubio
      Parker
      WIlliams
      Bledsoe
      Lawson
      Conley
      Irving
      Lillard
      Rondo (when he comes back)
      Teague
      Holiday
      Dragic

      • nbascreed - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        Rubio is not Top 10…he can’t shoot and is little threat to score.

        Lowry and Felton are essentially the same player. No way I throw in Hardaway or Shumpert, either of which could easily turn into a 5-7 year stalwart at 2 for a upper echelon team.

  6. odenxx - Dec 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    wow! I can’t believe Dolan finally realized he’s getting hosed. Amazing!!!

  7. bucrightoff - Dec 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    I guess after Masai took him to the cleaners twice he realized its not a good idea to do trades with him.

  8. bryco9 - Dec 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    If that’s the price NYC is considering the Wolves need to offer Rubio to them and the Nets.
    Rubio has more potential and a larger international draw.

    Wolves should at least put his name out there, they need a more aggressive point. Never really been sold on him being the super star point guard that the local media has been saying he is.

    • drobstad - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

      Umm okay haha. As a die hard Knicks fan I will tell you this as a fact. We will absolutely give you that package of Metta, Felton & One of either a first rounder, Hardaway Jr or Shumpert for Rubio. Where do I sign up for that?

  9. vi3tguy415 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    AHHHH. these 2 fools are playing dumb and dumber

  10. brianscalabrine - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Ujiri is asking for that much for Lowry because he figures Dolan is dumb enough to actually go through with it.

    The fact that Brooklyn and the Knicks have to talk about 2018 and 2020 first-round picks for Kyle freakin’ Lowry shows how moronic these front offices really are.

  11. logicalcomment - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    LOLOLOL if i’m the knicks, i don’t even answer the phone if ujiri calls

  12. Mr. Wright 212 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    When did Lowry become prime career Oscar Robertson, and not some middling also-ran of a player? He is NOT worth all that.

  13. Mr. Wright 212 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    And stop dealing with Ujiri, that snake oil salesman!

  14. caeser12 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Dolan must have finally been visited by the ghost of deals past.

    Ruining the Knicks, and the Billion Dollar Comedy Club, formerly known as Madison Square Garden, since 1994.

    Go NY.

  15. zerole00 - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    It still amazes me that NY gave up so much for Carmelo when they could have just waited a few months and gotten him in FA.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Dec 15, 2013 at 10:58 PM

      Dolan forced Walsh to do it…

  16. vi3tguy415 - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    ahh. that dumb and dumber game

  17. homergreenz - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    The smartest thing Dolan has done in a long time is not trading (so far) Tim Hardaway Jr. for Kyle Lowry.

  18. cruzan80 - Dec 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    I’m probably alone on this one but I don’t think this as bad a deal as everyone thinks for a couple reasons. First, Felton sucks. He sucked since last year quite frankly but the team’s success & the luxury of sharing the backcourt duties with Kidd hide that fact. He’s terrible defensively & extremely inconsistent offensively. The fact that he’s missing games now due to being hurt just adds insult to injury. Second, Shumpert…in my opinion…is just a tad bit overrated. Its belief that he has the “Bargnani effect” in reverse. Would we kill Bargnani as much as we do if he were drafted 20th that year….probably not. Would we have dubbed Shump as this great up & coming star if he were drafted 1st that year…probably not. Shump is “good” but I think Hardaway Jr. actually has a far higher upside than Shump does. He’s not a bad defender & that can improve with time & he’s already far better offensively. Also, let’s not forget this kid is coming off an ACL injury as well. If the trade is a draft pick in 2018, Metta & Shump for Lowry…that makes them better now.

    Bottom line is Lowry makes them better right now & when your team isn’t winning games in a year when your superstar can just simply walk at seasons end, you kinda HAVE to make this move…or just trade the superstar….pick a struggle.

  19. fiyeaglesfiy - Dec 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    The 2018 draft class is expected to be loaded….

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