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Report: Knicks, Raptors talking Kyle Lowry trade

Dec 12, 2013, 2:32 PM EDT

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The Knicks need help on offense — a shot creator besides Carmelo Anthony — and they are looking at another point guard to get it.

Multiple reports say the Knicks are now talking with the Toronto Raptors about getting Kyle Lowry, who became available when the Raptors picked up Greivis Vasquez in the Rudy Gay trade (Lowry was available before then, too, but this stepped up the pace). Marc Stein of ESPN was on top of the rumors.

Lowry certainly has been the better point guard — he’s not considered as good a shooter but he’s smart about the shots he takes and therefore has a higher shooting percentage. He’s more efficient on offense and a better, more tenacious defender. He’s an upgrade for New York.

Stein gets to the heart of it — Lowry for Raymond Felton isn’t going to do it for Toronto so the Knicks have to throw in something else the rebuilding Raptors want. Tim Hardaway Jr. would fit that mold (more than Iman Shumpert would, Beck says the Raptors don’t want him but that is the guy the Knicks are likely trying to push). That would be a hit to the Knicks, who are trying to get younger (but have gotten worse in the process). Throwing in Metta World Peace could help balance the salaries.

What Toronto really wants is a first round pick, reports Howard Beck of Bleacher Report. Problem is the Knicks have already traded so many away they don’t have a first rounder they can move until 2018. They could try to get another team involved with a pick in the next couple years, but now the Knicks have to send out another asset to get that pick to get Lowry — would that really be worth it?

If this happens it likely happens before Dec. 19 — any players moved before then can be moved again at the trade deadline. After Dec. 19 and you’re stuck with them the rest of the year, and the Raptors aren’t looking to keep Felton around if they get him.

  1. drobstad - Dec 12, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    Why does it matter that the Knicks don’t have a first round pick to trade? NOBODY is trading the Raptors a first round draft pick for a few months of having Kyle Lowry. Shumpert for Lowry is more than a fair deal. If the Knicks weren’t log jammed at SG because of that horrible JR Smith signing I wouldn’t even want to move Shump for Lowry. Tim Hardaway Jr. would NEVER be included in a deal like this unless the Raptors want to send the Knicks a first rounder in return with Lowry.

    • JHathwell - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

      Spoken like a true Knick fan.

  2. imthewiz77 - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Remember how we took Bargnani off your hands, well you kind of owe us….

  3. csbanter - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    nice trade Raymond Felton for Raymond Felton. Knicks have been getting fleeced by Raptors for years. Lowry is not an upgrade.

    • nikedunks13 - Dec 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM

      You’re kidding right? Lowry is soooo much better then Felton. I don’t even get why the Knicks start that scrub.

  4. jzone954 - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM


  5. drobstad - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    A bag or doritos is an upgrade from Raymond Felton.

    • JHathwell - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      Assuming Ray didn’t immediately eat the bag.

    • imthewiz77 - Dec 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      I have to disagree with that logic because Felton looks like 20 bags of doritos

  6. JHathwell - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    If the Knicks aren’t letting Masai Ujiri’s calls go straight to voicemail by now, well, they deserve whatever they get.

    • drobstad - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

      Spoken like a true Knicks hater. I can see you’re one of those fools that still thinks the Knicks would be better off having kept wilson chandler, landry fields and Gallinari. Those guys have really flourished since that trade huh?

      • JHathwell - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        By every objective measure that trade was a failure. Who has the better record since the trade (in the tougher conference, mind you)? Who has a future while the other team is completely screwed?

        If you think the reason the Melo trade was a bad idea has anything to do with Chandler or Gallo then you are missing the point. The point is, your team mortgaged it’s future, all of it’s draft picks and it’s cap space for a team built around Anthony, Chandler and Amar’e.

        Oh, and the Knicks are bound for the lottery in the most hyped draft since 2003…and their picks belongs to Denver.


      • drobstad - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        Completely disagree. So you’re trying to say that the players the Nuggets received and their failures as NBA basketball players are irrelevant and that the trade was a failure for the sheer fact that they lost draft picks to acquire Carmelo Anthony?
        That could be the most flawed logic I’ve ever argued against lol.
        Carmelo was worth whatever draft picks are needed to acquire him because he is flat out one of the best players in the entire league. The teams failures this season are not his fault at all.
        What holds the Knicks back from success now is the Amare contract and Chandlers injury.
        Nobody can win with a supporting cast of Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Andrea Bargnani whatever other garbage they throw on the floor.

      • bucrightoff - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        Seriously, how can any Knick fan think that trade wasn’t a debacle? Especially if, you know, they waited 3 months they could have had him for free.

      • slowclyde86 - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:59 PM

        Can we please stop using the term “hater” at the drop of a hat? It seems to be used as a lazy attempt to deflect valid criticism. “Oh they just be hatin’ “. No. The Knicks are an embarrassment of a franchise with no future prospects to improve, none, until late this decade. Think about that for a second. This franchise has become the worst managed in all of sports. Even the Clippers have gotten their act together for goodness sake.

        Criticism does not equal hate.

      • drobstad - Dec 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

        How can trading riff raff that has never panned out in the NBA and 2 first round picks for Carmelo Anthony be a bad trade?
        The only way that makes sense is if you are simply a Carmelo Anthony hater and blame all of the Knicks lack of success on him. To do this you would then have to ignore the fact that we pay Amare Stoudemire max dollars to not play. You also have to ignore the fact that the Knicks has their best season in over a decade last year when Chandler was healthy.
        People who still harp on that being a bad deal, I assume, will admit that they just don’t like Carmelo.

      • nikedunks13 - Dec 12, 2013 at 4:23 PM

        Jhathell just because the nuggets are better then the Knicks doesnt mean the Knicks would have been better if they didn’t make the trade. Think about it, right now their best player would be Wilson Chandler. Also probably the main reason the nuggets are so good is because of th Lawson but for some reason that idiot George Karl never gave him a chance in the starting lineup with melo.

      • redbaronx - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        @drobstad – in regards to your response to JHathwell, you’re a prime example of Knicks fans that drink the cool-aid. Melo may be one of the best OFFENSIVE players in the league, but he’s a liability on defense.

        Most Knicks fans are smarter than this mind you, and they know perfectly well that they keep getting screwed of draft picks and talent. Not unlike the early 2000’s….So just because JHathwell made an intelligent analysis of why you guys are stuck with a team that isn’t going to sniff a finals in the near future, that doesn’t make him a hater.

        A former Knick fan…..

    • 00maltliquor - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:53 AM

      I’m sorry, but that comment by JHathwell had me laughing for quite a while! LOL

  7. homegrowntalentmn - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Tank for Wiggins is on. But I’d take Jabari Parker over all

    • JHathwell - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      Raptors likely won’t be bad enough to pick that high. Their 8th worst now and it’s hard to imagine them being worse than some of these other teams unless they basically tell their guys to stop playing.

  8. dadeyemi - Dec 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Lol, the Illuminati really has it out for the Knicks

  9. jbeagles23 - Dec 12, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    The player part of that trade was won by the Knicks. As a whole though adding first rounders for a team that can’t make it out of the first round is just dumb

  10. deavn - Dec 13, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    Trade Felton for the Raptors’ washing machine. That seems like a fair trade.

    • redbaronx - Dec 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM

      @deavn – Good idea! It’s a “wash”

  11. nikedunks13 - Dec 13, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    JR Smith and Felton for Lowry. This will make them worse and give them a better shot at getting Andrew Wiggins

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