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Report: Cavaliers testing trade market for Dion Waiters

Nov 27, 2013, 4:14 PM EDT

Well, that didn’t even take two seasons.

Apparently the Cleveland Cavaliers are considering moving on from the Kyrie Irving/Dion Waiters backcourt of the future, and you can be sure Irving isn’t the one going out the door. Which leads us to this tweet from Chris Broussard of ESPN:

Waiters has been coming off the bench for the Cavaliers having lost his starting spot to guys such as Matthew Dellavedova and C.J. Miles.

With that, you would expect the Cavaliers to test the market. Pulling the trigger on a deal is another thing entirely. Especially when you consider who they are after:

Allow me to respond for the Knicks and Bulls: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! As for the Sixers, you swap a two guard you don’t like for a worse one? Those are the Cavs fantasy gets and if they don’t lower expectations Waiters is on the Cleveland roster at the end of the season.

There are a few issues that are going to give other teams pause here (and really reduce what they would give back to Cleveland in a trade). First, he’s kind of regressed between his rookie and sophomore seasons. Waiters is shooting just 38.9 percent this season and while he’s averaging 13 points a game he needs 12.4 shots to get there. He has the makings of a volume shooter — he wants the ball in his hands to create off the pick-and-roll, where as the ball handler he gets 40 percent of his offensive opportunities but shoots just 36.2 percent (stats via Synergy Sports). Why do you want him to do that when you have Irving on the floor? Waiters has improved as a catch and shoot guy (hitting 46.4 percent overall and 50 percent from three) but that accounts for just 15 percent of his shots.

Also, he’s not good defensively.

There have been rumbles about tension in the locker room surrounding Waiters.

While there may be talks, don’t be shocked if it’s after Christmas or even close to the February trade deadline before we see anything. If we see anything.

But the frustration with Waiters brings us back to the Cavaliers in the draft — they nailed the Kyrie Irving pick, but since then have used top four picks on Tristan Thompson, Waiters and now Anthony Bennett. Not the most stellar track record, as you look at it right now.

  1. jeffkx - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Agree on Bennett, but I must be missing the person who was taken after Tristan who is lighting the NBA on fire.

    • asimonetti88 - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM

      I like Tristan Thompson, so don’t get me wrong.

      But..

      Klay Thompson was taken after him.

      • jeffkx - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        I stand corrected.

    • kinggw - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:10 PM

      Lets see. Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard. Vucevic, Faried, Jimmy Butler and Chandler Parsons are all players that were taken after Thompson and are better than he is. You could also make an argument that the Morris brothers are better.

      • jeffkx - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        My point was players taken 6-10 after Tristan. Those players are all very good. Did you want the Cavs to take Chandler Parsons at #4 when he went #36? And if you think the Morris brothers are better you must be blind.

      • jeffkx - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:59 PM

        Sorry meant not very good.

      • sportsfan18 - Nov 27, 2013 at 6:40 PM

        jeffxx

        Stats for this season

        Markieff Morris

        PER 18.8 Per 36 min’s of court time he’s averaging 16.5 pts and 8.3 boards

        His FG% is .488%

        Tristan’s numbers are as follows this yr:

        PER 13.7 Per 36 min’s of court time he’s averaging 12.5 pts and 10.4 boards

        His FG% is .432%

        Tristan’s first 2 seasons were a bit better than Markieff’s yes, but not worlds better as Tristan’s career PER is 15.0 and Markieff’s is 13.1

        So far this season, Markieff Morris is playing better than Tristan.

        Marcus Morris stats so far this yr

        PER 16.4 Per 36 min’s of court time he’s averaging 16.3 pts and 8.3 boards

        His FG% is .450%

        For his career, his numbers are a bit below his brothers but you can see that he too is playing better than Tristan is so far this season.

    • deavn - Nov 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

      I wanted the Cavs to pick Barnes back in 2012. Looks like it paid off for GSW.

  2. phillysports1 - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Come to Philly .

    • jeffkx - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM

      Cleveland fan here, would your GM do a Turner for Dion swap?

      • biasedhomer - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:50 PM

        A 1st round pick better be going to Philly if you want that deal.

  3. wwttww - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    Man and I thought Billy Knight’s 3 year draft run in Atlanta from 2004-2006 was bad…..Josh Childress #6, Marvin Williams #2, Shelden Williams #5

    Wait….That’s a lot worse.

  4. thebigcaptain2011 - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    The Cavs are, and always have been, a poorly run organization. Look at these last three picks! They’ve botched the draft time and time again. They lucked into LeBron and they lucked into Kyrie. Name me one other savvy/sneaky good draft move they’ve made. There’s no way LeBron is going back there and expect Kyrie to end up in some big market sooner or later. Bad things happen to bad teams. As Bill Simmons would say: God hates Cleveland.

    • tv63 - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:04 PM

      That’s stupid even for you to say God Hates Cleveland. No . God has nothing to do with it. Your first statement was correct. Poorly run , bad choices equals bad team. It’s all on them. Grant should have never listen to coaches choice on draft picks . Now he’s in the hot seat.

  5. ohioteamsusuallysuck - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Good thing they drafted oladipo. Oh wait. Nvm.

  6. jolink653 - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    A low percentage volume shooter who’s terrible defensively? Welcome to New York!

    • sportsfan18 - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:58 PM

      Wow I’d pay to watch that! Melo, J.R. Smith and Waiters on the court at the same time.

      They’d all fight each other to get the ball thrown into them after the opponent made a bucket as it would be the only way any of them could get a shot off, by taking it up the court themselves and then chucking it up.

      The coaches would have to tell them that stealing the ball from each other doesn’t count as a steal for them or help their defensive stats either!

      They’d have to repaint the rims at halftime of every game too!

  7. dameeze - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Factory of sadness

  8. ohioteamsusuallysuck - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    Hey Jeff what about Drummond?

    • jeffkx - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      Tristan was 2011 draft, Drummond was 2012. Hey how about you do a 3 second google search before saying stupid things?

  9. thebigcaptain2011 - Nov 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    I’m so sick of teams like this and their fans complaining that small market teams get the short end of the stick. Bad drafting put you in this position, not geographic location. If you make those picks work, they could be a playoff team this year.

  10. tv63 - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    The worst thing that happen to Dion was Mike Brown who is clueless on offense. Dion was on his way to be an elite shooter under Scott. He had many many highlights last year. And then Bam Brown came to the scene and doesn’t do well with rookies and refused to have offensive practices until lately and everyone wonders on why oh why are the Cavs so bad offensively. WHo does this to a young team? Seriously? And then the chemistry between Irving and him is horrible. Irving has a serious problem sharing the ball with better shooters but has gotten pass because he has superstar status. Dion will do fantastic anywhere he goes mainly because they will have offensive practices. Cavs will do worse with trade because Brown has a habit of going for old run down players with big contracts and no return. This is all on Cavs organization who had to hurry hurry hurry to get Mike Brown without for one moment remembering why Lebron left in the first place. OFFENSE.

  11. countduku - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    his defense and poor shooting, along with his me, me ,me approach on the court will never have any value to the bulls. Just because they answered their phone does not mean they would ever consider trading for him. i guess it is just an attempt to drum up some interest.

  12. pbtunpaidwriter - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    The Cavs deserve to suck. I hope Kyrie leaves. They passed on Lillard and Drummond in 2012 and chose Waiters with the #4 pick..

    After having 3 #1 picks in 11 years, Cleveland has no excuses now.

  13. sledgehorn - Nov 27, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    I’d support an Evan Turner for Dion Waiters trade.

    The Cavaliers get a better player now, in hopes of turning the season around. Plays SG/SF the two spots they really need help.

    The Sixers get a better future prospect, plays SG, a big hole on this team. Reunites Syracuse teammates with Carter-Williams and Waiters.

    I hope it happens.

  14. homergreenz - Nov 27, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    “While there may be talks, don’t be shocked if it’s after Christmas or even close to the February trade deadline before we see anything. If we see anything.”

    I don’t agree. You’re playing it too safe. This guy is fighting with this teammates and the Cavs are playing terrible ball. IIRC, Dan Gilbert said he didn’t want to be in the draft lottery again in 2014.

  15. bknowledge - Nov 28, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Tyson Chandler and JR Smith for Dion Waiters, Andrew Bynum and the Cavs first round draft pick

  16. maracineanu16 - Nov 28, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    A Bulls’ fan here:
    “Allow me to respond for the Knicks and Bulls: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!” :):):) right

  17. bknowledge - Nov 28, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    Tyson, JR and Shumpert for Dion, Bynum, and this years draft pick if its in the lottery…if its not in the lottery, Kicks get this years pick and their pick in 2016…

  18. ddpenny - Nov 28, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    trade anyone on the cavs roster for some allopurinol. feed them to bynums knees for some flamenco dancing.

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