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Vince Carter on Dwight Howard: “The biggest crybaby I know”

Nov 21, 2013, 1:33 PM EDT

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Well, at least Dwight Howard didn’t toss a ball at Vince Carter… that we know of.

Everyone has been piling on Dwight Howard this season — Shaq on TNT, Mark Cuban, Lakers fans, pretty much everyone outside Houston…

And now you can add Vince Carter to the list. That is former teammate and fellow off-season Orlando resident Vince Carter.


“All the time,” Carter said of Howard’s whining to officials. “He always talks about how I’m a crybaby. I was like, ‘Yo, you’re the biggest crybaby I know.’ And then later, he’s like, ‘Yo, why’d you say that to me?’ But I know Dwight. It’s all good, but he is [a crybaby].

“I mean, he takes a lot of punishment, but I’m like, ‘Yo, c’mon Dwight, c’mon. You elbowed, you’re sitting in the paint the entire time. What are you whining about?’ He told me to stop crying. I was like, ‘What? Are you serious?’”

Does Howard take a lot physical abuse? Yes. So did Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, all the way back to George Mikan. It’s part of the position. It’s exacerbated for Howard because you’d rather foul him and send him to the line than let him shoot — and Howard is strong so if you’re going to foul him you better come hard.

All I will add is something we’ve said before here — if Howard wants to change the narrative about him he has to win. It was that way with Kobe Bryant, it was true also of LeBron James. Winners get to write history. If Howard wants to change the story he needs to hoist the Larry O’Brien trophy in Houston. Until then, the shots keep coming.

  1. MyTeamsAllStink - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Vince Carter=the most overrated player we know

    • dls612 - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      We? You and Dwight? Cry babies!

      • timberwolvesbrisin - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        Yah right, Vince is still putting in work at his old age.

    • dualprime - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

      Aside from shooting, Dirk isn’t much better!

    • spthegr8 - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      They found the most SUSPECT pic of Dwight for this thread LLS!! I don’t know if he is a cry baby but, he IS a mental midget tho!!

    • ProBasketballPundit - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM

      Vince Carter is 32nd on the all time scoring list. You should check out the names just ahead of him. Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, Tim Duncan. I’d say he might have become underrated.

    • stadix093 - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM

      Dwight may be the most overrated player in the history of the NBA. Dead serious.

  2. thebigcaptain2011 - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Pot meet kettle.

    • pbtunpaidwriter - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:34 PM

      For someone considered to be a superstar player who has barely accomplished anything (dunk contest doesn’t count) in the postseason, this is out of bounds.

      Dwight led his team to the finals. Vince Carter never came close. I thought VC was better than this.

  3. phillysports1 - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Yea he’s Overrated now because he’s old.

    Remember that time when Vince carter/ t-Mac / iverson / jason Kidd / pierce/ K.G / Shaq / where some of top players in the NBA ? Yea they get old and overrated buddy .

    • 00maltliquor - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM

      You can add Kobe to that list too, and he’s STILL a top 5 player (before the injury, we’ll have to wait and see when he comes back).

  4. losanginsight - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Please do not put Larry O’Brien Trophy Kobe Bryant and dWight in the same sentence. Everyone knows Dwight will never win a ring. His best opportunity was in LA but choose to have a blast in h town. Crybaby does not have the mental capabilities to win in the NBA. This is only a few weeks in the season. The rockets world have a better team if Asik starts and Crybaby comes off the bench.

  5. coryfor3 - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Both are soft guys parading as tough.

  6. lenbias34pt - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Vince was what Mello is today.
    A one of a kind talent who never figured out that scoring and making high light plays does not always make a team better.

    The NBA has always had these guys and always will…..
    Dominigue Wilkins
    Pistol Pete

    and now the new candidate is Blake Griffin.

    In a word Defense.
    Say what you will about the Heat, but they won rings because they defense.

    • borderline1988 - Nov 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      Can’t argue with you about Vince Carter. Some guys just lack the drive to compete at the highest level. You don’t need to be like Kobe every time you hit the court, but you at least have to want to win and get a bit upset when you lose.

      Blake Griffin is a different animal; he’s not an alpha player, he’s a #2. And besides for a few dunks per game, his game is ugly yet effective. He’s a perfect pick and roll player for a guy like Chris Paul, especially considering his midrange jump shot has improved tremendously. And he has potential to be at least an average defender, as well as the fact that he brings a lot of hustle.
      In short, he’s nothing like VC.

      • lenbias34pt - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM

        Good sir you make good points , BUT, Blake is averaging under a block a game, shoots under 60 % from the line, and is playing with a more than ample cast for his team to be average.
        Yet if the early results are to be believed the Clippers are heading to another average season.

        So even thou – as you point out – Blake is more a # 2 , he is making 16 million this season and will surely receive a good portion of blame when the Clippers fail to make the west finals again…..and i’d say he deserves a dose of blame to be certain.

    • therealcancelguy - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      Interesting…Clearly you don’t have the faintest idea what you are talking about, comparing Pistol Pete and Wilkins to Vince Carter, presumably because you think they didn’t make their team better by playing D and winning rings like your Miami Heat. First of all, outside of Hakeem Olijawon and the Rockets, NOBODY won during MJ’s era, so you can’t really blame Wilkins for not winning it all, especially since he was largely responsible for 4 consecutive 50+win seasons during the 1980’s. Trying to knock on Pistol Pete for not making his team better is even more laughable. He changed his game to fit more with Lou Hudson in Atlanta and then was traded to a Jazz expansion team that had no supporting cast, yet still averaged 25 and 5 AST during that time. He remained LOYAL and stuck with his hometown Jazz team until his last year in the league despite having maybe 2-3 professional caliber teammates playing alongside him during those times (something a player on your Heat team can take away and learn from…cough LeBron…cough…).

    • sasquash20 - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM

      You are so dead on about Griffin. Maybe the most overrated player in the nba today

      • borderline1988 - Nov 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

        I dont understand your criticsm of Griffin.

        He’s a 24 year old, averaging 22.7 pts and 10.8 rebounds on 57% shooting. His defense isn’t great but it’s not Al Jefferson-like.

        He’s not exactly smooth (like Chris Bosh or Pau Gasol is) but he’s just as effective. And his payscale is pretty in line if you compare him to other PFs that put up numbers like his.

        I don’t trust him to be a #1 b/c he can’t create his own offense consistently enough. But he’s a fantastic finisher, has the makings of an excellent pick and roll player (with Paul), and is becoming a reliable jump-shooter in pick & pop situations. And he can post up or take his man off the dribble as well.

      • borderline1988 - Nov 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

        Another thing:
        60% FT shooting is pretty bad, but considering he gets to the line 6 times a game, does it really matter that much? If he were to shoot 80% (which is all you can ask for in a 6″10 PF), that would give you one more point per game.

        Of course you’d like to see him hit 70% or more, so that he’s not a liability in late-game situations, but it’s not the worst thing, b/c he’s good enough that he can avoid the hack-a-shaq strategies.

      • borderline1988 - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

        Lastly, on another note:

        I don’t get to watch Western teams play much, but I watched the Clippers/Timberwolves game last night, and if you want to talk over-rated…how about Ricky Rubio?

        He’s a poor shooter and finisher. He had trouble finding his offense, resulting in him taking these awkward floaters that had no chance of going in, and were essentially turnovers. He simply lacks the footspeed to get around defenders and create, whether in one on one situations or in the pick and roll.

        Sure, he wows you with nice bounce-passes a few times a game (and average 9 dimes), but is it worth it when you consider that he scores just 8 points a game on 34% shooting? He just looks so easy to defend.

        PGs coming around picks need to be a threat to either take the ball to the hoop, or rise up and hit the midrange. Rubio can’t do either of those things well.

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM

        Knicks will take Griffin in less than a heartbeat.

      • sasquash20 - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

        His D is awful. He and DeAndre get exposed every time they face a legit front court. Hollow stats mean nothing. You bring up his free throw percentage but fail to realize a guy his size should be hitting the stripe at least 4-6 more times a game. If he played inside with a little nasty he could be a stud. And his shooting percentage is good because he can only dunk. His jump shot sucks. The reason the clippers can’t win is because their front court is to soft. Oh and for the record Griffins D is as bad as big Al`s

      • sasquash20 - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

        I agree about Rubio though. Over rated just like Nash

      • mytthor - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

        Rubio overrated “like Nash?”


        Steve Nash is quite likely the best shooter in the history of the league, statistically. Obviously you can pick different stats to use for your criteria, but it’s very easy to make the argument that he’s #1.

        He may not have deserved both of his MVP’s, but MVP’s often go to the wrong people, voters tend to be a year late, other issues. It’s possible he’s overrated, but probably the second or third best point guard of the last 20 years behind Kidd and/or Paul.

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

      Defense wins it every time. That’s what makes your comment one of the best, ever.

      • borderline1988 - Nov 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

        “You bring up his free throw percentage but fail to realize a guy his size should be hitting the stripe at least 4-6 more times a game”

        He already goes to the FT line 6 times a game. If you were to add the ‘4 – 6’ more times, he would literally be getting to the FT line more than any other player in basketball (except for Kevin Durant) In fact, the 3rd best player in terms of FT attempts is James Harden, at 8.8/game (behind Durant and Howard). Blake Griffin is #16 in the NBA in terms of FTA/game.

        And his jump shooting has been excellent this year. People who say he only has a high FG% b/c of dunks are just following a rehashed narrative without actually looking at the stats or at his games.

        You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

  7. canuckinamerica - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    And just to prove Carter is right, he got his mother to also say Howard is a crybaby.

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

      Wish I had listened to, oh, what Mama said.

  8. Anoesis - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    When you snivel your way clear across the country and halfway back again you’re going to get the crybaby label. The only unknown here is how long it will be before Houston fans join the majority.

    • mydoghasfleez - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

      How true.

  9. antistratfordian - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Harmless banter.

  10. jbeagles23 - Nov 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Vince carter in his primes. 10 years ago was twice the basketball player Blake griffin is. Must be little kids on the boards again that are too young to remember. Only player that was clearly above Vince was a.i

    • 00maltliquor - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      Shaq?? Or are we just talking guards?

    • antistratfordian - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

      Vince carter in his primes. 10 years ago was twice the basketball player Blake griffin is.

      Vince Carter 10 years ago:

      22.5 PTS, 4.8 REB, 4.8 AST, 41.7% FG, 50.1% TS, 20.0 PER

      Blake Griffin now:

      22.7 PTS, 10.8 REB, 3.0 AST, 56.8% FG, 58.7% TS, 22.5 PER

      2013-14 Griffin > 2003-04 Carter

      • shutmdownd - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM

        i like the stat lines but you forgot to put in there that blake has the best point guard in the NBA spoon feeding him quite a few of those points… they are both highlight reel players though!

      • antistratfordian - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:20 PM

        That doesn’t matter. Griffin was putting up similar numbers before the arrival of Chris Paul:

        22.5 PTS, 12.1 REB, 3.8 AST, 50.6% FG, 54.9% TS, 21.9 PER

      • davidly - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM

        Apples to oranges, guys. Now go to bed!

      • antistratfordian - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:36 PM

        Yeah, one guy is helping his team (Griffin) and the other was hurting his team (Carter). It is totally apples to oranges.

        Carter was traded not long after this season.

      • davidly - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM

        If I have to tell you again, there’ll be no more Internet!

      • antistratfordian - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

        You can’t talk about “apples to oranges” when one of the players in question shot 41% on 20 shots a game… there is no defending that tripe. So buzz off, thou paunchy milk-livered scullion!

      • JHathwell - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

        12 years ago he had a 25.0 PER, 8 years ago it was 22.9. Instead of being brain dead and taking the guy too literally when he said “10 years ago”, why not tell the whole story here?

        If you wanna do it by age, Griffin had a better year at age 22 but Carter’s numbers are better at 23 and 24.

        This kind of half-assed attempt to manipulate the numbers just makes you look dumb.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        Numbers were not manipulated. They are all presented as they exist.

        I did not say anything that wasn’t true in regards to Blake Griffin now and the Vince Carter of the late Cretaceous period (where he started to become known as “soft” and more of a problem than a solution).

      • JHathwell - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

        Well, good thing I was here to present the hole story, lest anyone swallow your fake as narrative that tries to present Blake’s numbers as superior when that’s not the case.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 22, 2013 at 2:55 AM

        Well they are definitely superior to Carter from 10 years ago – that is without question.

      • 00maltliquor - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

        @ shutmdownd

        That doesn’t matter because Blake was doing the same thing with a broken down Baron Davis and then Mo Williams “spoon feeding” him. He’s gonna get his regardless.

      • davidly - Nov 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM

        Fellers, fellers, now just settle down. Mistakes was made on both sides.

      • ignaciomoran2013 - Nov 24, 2013 at 9:59 AM

        Does Griffin make his teamates better? How does he fare in big playoff games in his career? How about his non existent defense? Does he set hard picks for his size? Does he have the heart and grit of a Tim Duncan, LaMarcus Aldrich, Serge Ibaka, LBJ? How about his ability to move the ball? These are the glaring questions that define Griffin’s career so far. When the Spurs swept the Clippers two seasons ago Duncan, Splitter and Leonard abused him and DeAndre Jordan in the paint. Last season Marc Gasol and Zebo did exactly the same thing. And again last week. The most overrated aspect of pro basketball is the dunk. It’s two points. Big deal. The 3 pt. shot is much more effective especially in transition. Blake Griffin is a ball stopper. He would never fit in a championship team like the Spurs or even OKC where they move the ball and people get open. Nice stats and whirlwind dunks will never win you championships. Trust me.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:05 AM

        There’s nothing overrated about high percentage shots. And only 27 of Griffin’s 134 makes so far this season have been dunks. So the vast majority of his makes are not dunks. (Durant has 20 dunks, for comparison)

        And Griffin is just in his 4th season. I wonder what you thought about LBJ’s “heart and grit” in 2007.

  11. sasquash20 - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Griffin stinks. Hollow man should be his nick name.

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

      I believe in Sasquatch but I think you’re lying.

      • sasquash20 - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

        I’m the sasquash not sasquatch.

  12. jbeagles23 - Nov 21, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Carter was a whiney punk who cried his way out of his best opportunity. Like McGrady I guarantee he regrets it now. However doesn’t take away from how good he was. He was often doubled and sometimes tripled team. Blake in the other hand isn’t

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

      Carter never made those hilarious commercials that Griffin does for Hyundai. It’s hilarious that a huge man like him would be in commercials for those puny rice cookers! Oh my God I made a politically incorrect statement!

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

      He did say it to Howard’s face! Carter’s a real man.

  13. jimthebuilder27 - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    This is too funny! Vince Carter, a player who makes every excuse possible for playing poorly!

  14. blazermaniac22 - Nov 22, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    MyTeamsAllstink- you are thinking of Carmelo Anthony. He’s the most overrated player we know

  15. beaverdam21 - Nov 22, 2013 at 4:31 AM

    I just bought a Hyundai Genesis and it’s a pretty darn big car.

  16. belleby123 - Nov 23, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    Vince should stick his whole foot in his mouth and name all the other crybabies he knows that he’s comparing Dwight to. That said, he’s still right.

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