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Report: Boston willing to do bad contract swap with Knicks

Nov 18, 2013, 11:15 AM EDT

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There will be no Rajon Rondo for Iman Shumpert and pieces deal going down between the Celtics and Knicks — Boston GM Danny Ainge rightfully laughed that one off.

But there might be a Celtics/Knicks deal that Boston officials would consider — a swap of bad contracts.

Chris Broussard of ESPN threw up this tweet.

This time it should be the Knicks that say no.

First off, to make this trade work under the NBA trade rules it would have to be Gerald Wallace, Courtney Lee and someone or something else, mostly likely a pick (unless Celtics fans want to move Jordan Crawford or Jared Sullinger… didn’t think so).

Yes, adding Wallace and Lee would be an upgrade for the Knicks this season and next over what Amare Stoudemire’s knees will let him offer. Those two are not game changes, but they help.

Here’s the problem for New York: Their pitch to Carmelo Anthony on why he stays with New York this summer is based around the idea that “in 2015 we will have a lot of cap space and can get another star to pair with you and win a ring.” Stoudemire is off the books by then, however the deals for both Wallace and Lee extend into the 2015-16 season — they would heat up $15.8 million of the cap space in that summer you are trying to convince Anthony is such a great thing.

The Knicks roster right now seems thrown together without a grand plan in mind, 2015 is a chance to start really changing that. This kind of trade gives you a limited short-term boost at the expense of the long term — the Knicks have done enough of that over the years. They need to think big picture. Which means not doing deals like this.

  1. bougin89 - Nov 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Swapping terrible contracts usually isn’t a good thing unless you are receiving at least one valuable draft pick. What is the upside for Boston here?

    • 00maltliquor - Nov 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM

      Getting rid of Wallace’s little to no production and multi-year, 8 figure per contract. Makes perfect sense for BOS. NY not so much.

      • bougin89 - Nov 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

        Wallace is signed for one more year than Amare at just over 10 million. Celtics don’t want to give up any draft picks to make it happen, would they?. That’s why I didn’t see any upside for Boston. It would be easier to move Wallace’s deal later while they rebuild.

    • redbaronx - Nov 18, 2013 at 2:37 PM

      @bougin89 – The upside for Boston would be a huge slot they could use for a major Free Agent next year. I don’t see why NY would want this deal even if Boston did throw in Jordan Crawford or Jared Sullinger. I think the Knicks best move is to hang on to Amare, let him walk next year, and use that big roster slot in salary for a major Free Agent next year.

      There’s only one problem with that plan for NY. I’m not sure any major Free Agents will WANT to go to NY. There’s a perceived issue with management there, and not too many players are jumping to go to NY and be front page failures. NY is a pressure cooker, and Dolan being a moron doesn’t help matters!

      • bougin89 - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        Amare isn’t going to opt out next year. Next year he’ll be paid $23.4 million. I just don’t see how it would work from either side. Unless the Knicks would really be that dumb the Celtics would have to give up more than Courtney Lee and Wallace.

      • redbaronx - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        @bougin89 – Amare doesn’t HAVE an Opt Out…it’s the last year of the contract, and I don’t see the Knicks resigning him. Why resign him when they can get a good free agent that is younger and on the upside?

      • bougin89 - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        I read your comment as if you were talking about after this season Amare would walk. If you were referring to after next season then you are correct.

      • redbaronx - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        @bougin89 – Yes next season. Not this season.

      • bougin89 - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:52 PM

        He does have an early termination(player option) in his contract. There is just no way he’ll walk away from $23.4 million. In 2015 he’ll come off the books.

  2. buckshowalter - Nov 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Whatever Chris Broussard reports usually does not happen.

    • redbaronx - Nov 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM

      @buckshowalter – Agreed. I don’t know where he heard this one, but it just doesn’t make sense for either team in either scenario.

  3. 00maltliquor - Nov 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    I don’t even think it does a short term boost. Add Courtney Lee to the plethora of SG’s NY already has and Wallace isn’t a better option of the bench at SF then MWP. Realistically Lee would be a 3rd or even 4th stringer and Wallace a 3rd as well, unless you slide him as a very undersized PF. Even then he’d still come off the bench. No impact to be made at all except to the payroll.

  4. mimaiheatdynasty - Nov 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Might as well keep Amare or move him for a better deal. His contract will be partial next year anyway….don’t put yourself in more debt with the Wallace deal.

  5. legend30 - Nov 18, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Chris Broussard? Yeah, this report is definitely false.

  6. chiadam - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Yes, they should go all in for 2015 when Amare comes off the book. It worked so well for them in 2010.

  7. chip56 - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Even if this trade didn’t hurt the Knicks in the long term it doesn’t even help them in the short term. They don’t have room for more wing players like Lee and Wallace.

    What they should do with both Amare and K-Mart is say screw it and just play them until they break until Chandler comes back.

    • eugenesaxe1 - Nov 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

      Sad to say, but I agree with this. Amare is never going to justify his contract. Play him until he breaks and sign someone who can at least be useful in practice.

  8. jolink653 - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    This deal is awful and makes no sense for the Knicks…which means they’ll agree to it in the next couple of days and twist the knife some more into the hearts of us Knicks fans

  9. zerole00 - Nov 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    This hilariously mismatched Knicks roster brought to you by Isiah Thomas, enjoy!

    For the sake of NY fans they better hope Dolan stays away from Thomas when 2015 rolls around (doubt it).

    • redbaronx - Nov 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

      @zeriole00 – I think NY fans might avoid the Garden for a while if Isaiah returns. It would be nice to give Dolan some financial problems. Like boycotting the Knicks for a year. Maybe he’ll sell then!

    • bougin89 - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

      This was one of Isiah’s classic trades when he was officially the GM:

      Re-signed guard Jermaine Jackson and traded him along with forwards Tim Thomas and Mike Sweetney, a 2006 first-round pick, second-round picks in 2007 and 2009 and a conditional right to swap 2007 first-round picks to the Chicago Bulls for center Eddy Curry and forward Antonio Davis

      No real reason for throwing that out there other than for entertainment.

  10. eugenesaxe1 - Nov 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    “They need to think big picture. Which means not doing deals like this.”

    So we can count on it happening within a week?

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