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Should ‘Melo have gotten a four-point play at end of game? (VIDEO)

Nov 15, 2013, 11:01 AM EDT

Was Carmelo Anthony fouled on the ground — meaning before he went into his shooting motion — or should this have been a four-point play that might well have given the Knicks the win?

It’s close.

There were 5.8 seconds left, the Knicks down three, and Anthony moves toward the ball with the Rockets James Harden trailing him. Anthony gets a bounce pass and turns to shoot but referee Scott Foster was clear from the start — he waived it off and called the foul before the shot.

Our own D.J. Foster says the foul was was on the ground in The Extra Pass and I will agree with him that the Harden tries to foul — he bumps Anthony and tries to reach in. What he doesn’t do is wrap Anthony up and make it obvious.

To me, that bump and little reach are the kind of fouls not called in the final seconds of games, the things players play through, and you can make the case the foul is on the shot. In which case it’s a four point play (or at least he gets a free throw) and the final five seconds will play out differently.  However, you can make a good case either way here.

It’s close.

  1. lastdukestreetking - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    “the Harden” – new nickname?

  2. bballhistorian - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    I knew this question was going to come sooner or later on here!

    It all depends when the ref’s whistle was blown. If the ref blew his whistle just 1 sec later, then it shouldve counted. But since he blew it on the ground before Melo went up, then it shouldnt have counted. Very close, indeed.

    • bjornreyes - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

      The ref did make it clear when he called it that the foul was on the ground and he was waiving the shot off.

  3. mimaiheatdynasty - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    I don’t think so, but it was close. I see why coaches are skeptical to foul in close games when up three.

  4. cantonbound13 - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    It’s Scott Foster, the same Scott Foster that has allowed the Heat to go 13-1 in the post season in games he’s officiated. David Stern’s lap dog. Enough said.

    • thebigcaptain2011 - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      So are you saying that David Stern (or Adam Silver) called in a word to give Houston a win on the road against one of the most popular teams in the world and one of the most lucrative for the NBA?
      Yeah, you conspiracy theorists aren’t crazy after all.
      He was on the ground, was fouled, then he chucked up a shot.

    • leahcima1 - Nov 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      Cantonjerkah**0 comes out of his sewer whenever he smells a chance to dis the Heat. He doesn’t realize that the stench is coming from him. Always an excuse why the Knicks lose and always an excuse why the Heat keep winning championships. The Knicks lose because Dolan is one of the worst owner in sports. The Heat win because Arison is one of the best owners in sports. Sorry Cantonjerk0 you just can’t handle the truth. Waaaaaa. lol

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        Sewer? You give him too much credit. He lives in New Yawk, the world’s biggest sphincter.

      • leahcima1 - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:11 PM

        Naw. I wish he did live in New York. Unfortunately he lives in Miami, but if he wants to move to NY I’d be happy to contribute to the fund for “Cleaning the Garbage of Miami Streets”.

      • cantonbound13 - Nov 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        I actually agree with you that Dolan is one of the worst owners in sports. Arison is a very good owner but not person. Just ask the thousands of carnival passengers stranded at sea for days while he’s seen laughing it up at a Heat game.

      • leahcima1 - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM

        The best I can say for cantonjerk0 is he leads the league in stupidity. Jerk, your idea of a good person is actually what? Someone with a Superman cape that flies instantaneously to where ever a table needs busing or a passenger needs room service? When was the last time you gave up a seat at a game to pick up someones garbage who had forgotten to put it out for you during your normal rounds. I bet never. “Wait ’til Thursday and my regular visit”, right? Right, jerk. Yeh sure.

  5. valeb2012 - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    I’m guessing HOU told the refs they were going to foul. Hence the trigger happy ref/whistle.

  6. starvingardens - Nov 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    This is a non-issue. Avery Johnson said that the Rockets coaching staff already made the refs aware that they were going to foul regardless on what was going to happen. So on the initial slap the call was gonna be made. Stop whining and get over it.

  7. spacemaker101 - Nov 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Why is there an article on this?? Ridiculous

  8. titansbro - Nov 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    There’s 2 separate fouls on the play. The first one is a light bump in the back. Foul on the floor. The second one is him grazing his arm as he goes to shoot. Foul on the shot. Depends on which he was calling. I’d say neither should have been called but hey, that’s today’s NBA.

  9. jzone954 - Nov 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Had to know some way, some how, canton bound would reference the Heat in this matter. Lol

    • leahcima1 - Nov 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM

      Cantonjerk0 is an a**hole who lives to dis the Heat. His team hasn’t won anything other than lottery picks since before he was born, so he makes himself feel good by putting down the team that played in the last 3 NBA finals, the team with the All World four time NBA MVP, the team with a two time NBA finals MVP, and on and on. Guys like Cantonjerk0 can’t win so they look to try and make winners look bad. He’s so stupid, how bad can you make guys look who are holding up the championship trophy and pouring Champagne on each other?

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

        Born? You give that pea brain too much credit. He’s definitely test tube loser material.

  10. Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Knicks never get calls. Non issue. The second swipe was when the foul occurred and the whistle blew. But then with 5 seconds left, the Knicks actually FOUL Harden, and they wait an extra second to call it.

    But were quick with the whistle all game when no one touched him.

    Makes sense.

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      Wrong.

      • Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM

        Please stop responding to me. You Heat fans are confirmed lunatics who are incapable of objectivity.

  11. abchome - Nov 15, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    It should be a 4 point play, as the 3 pointer was clearly a continuation. The Rockets’ intention to foul couldn’t deprive the Knicks’ right to shoot. Harden should give Melo a bear hug or grab his hands to prevent the shooting. If he couldn’t, it’s not Melo’s fault.

  12. deavn - Nov 15, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    The foul was before the shot. Period. It was just a late whistle. You can clearly see where the initial contact was made.

  13. antistratfordian - Nov 15, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    It doesn’t matter. The Knicks aren’t going anywhere.

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      Right.

  14. cbrown386 - Nov 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    I’ve seen a LOT of big name players get that continuation call throughout the last few years. If they’re going to call it for others, they need to call it in every situation, including big ones like this. Is it the right call? Debatable. But the game can’t be called differently by every crew on any given night.

    • aht66 - Nov 16, 2013 at 8:00 AM

      Of all the comments , I rather agree mostly with this. I too have seen this type of foul/ play not called on big named players and those same players get the continuation. The level of inconsistency in officiating from game to game to far too vast. I also agree that this is todays NBA. Those type of fouls are whats making the game appear soft. Its tough for todays players to defend a layup without getting called for a flagrant foul. The ref’s blow the whistle too quick in some games and not enough in others. I am a fan of the game. The Knicks are my team of choice. I would have loved to have seen the continuation allowed, but more than that I just want consistency throughout the game.

  15. raidmagic - Nov 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    That is a continuation anywhere anytime except last night. Bad no call.

    More importantly how do the Rockets foul with a touch in .08 of a second but the Knick hammer away for a full second and a half of the other end before they get the whistle.

    No I don’t buy into the NBA conspiracy theorys, it’s just bad officating.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 5:34 PM

      RIGHT.

  16. sportsfan18 - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    Shoulda called a foul on Melo for his breath…

    • jimeejohnson - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      You breathe that New Yawk air and your breath will suck, too.

  17. jolink653 - Nov 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    No conspiracy, but that shot should have counted as the turn was part of the shot as Melo put it up, and if they were gonna blow the quick whistle on that end, then they should have blown the quick whistle on the next play with Harden, yet they allowed Shump to hammer away for two seconds before someone else stepped in to almost knock Harden over to get the call

  18. jzone954 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Mr Wright…..your the one whom was quoted saying that the Knicks “were assembled specifically to beat Miami”……so how are you calling heat fans lunatics? lol

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