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Report: Rockets talking multiple trades for Asik, want impact player in return

Nov 15, 2013, 6:42 PM EST

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The Houston Rockets are not going to give Omer Asik away.

He clearly does not fit as the power forward next to Dwight Howard’s center — that pair was -18.1 per 48 minutes when on the court together. And from Asik’s perspective it’s understandable why the Turkish center who averaged a double-double and was a defensive anchor on a playoff team last season would want to move on to where he gets minutes. Even the Rockets understand that.

But once Asik again asked for a trade (through his intermediaries and back channels, for him to do it publicly would bring the wrath of Stern down on him), you knew the first offers that would come in would be lowballs.

So the Rockets and GM Daryl Morey making it clear they want value in return — they want an impact player, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.

In an effort to unload disgruntled center Omer Asik, the Houston Rockets have engaged in trade talks with multiple teams and are demanding an impact player in return, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Rival executives say that Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has been active in discussing possible deals for Asik, but his asking price has been too high so far. Morey has been willing to accommodate Asik’s summertime trade request, but so far has found little traction on possible deals.

Unless a team is willing to give the Rockets a frontline player who can help them win in the short-term, Morey is open to acquiring a largely unprotected first-round pick in the loaded 2014 NBA draft, sources said.

I think he’s more likely to get an impact player than a lottery pick this year.

Morey is setting the bar high, maybe too high for this time of the season, but the market will change. Morey will wait for it to come to him. Quality centers are in short supply around the league and Asik is that — he can bring a defensive presence, plenty of boards and some points to the right team. Morey may soften a little, too, but better to set the bar high to start.

While talks are ongoing, I would expect a deal later rather than sooner. The trade deadline is in February, not close to Thanksgiving.

  1. Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Morey wants someone to clean up his messes made with his poison pill contracts. You aren’t going to get dollar for dollar. You are dealing from a position of no leverage, Morey. You can’t make shady deals with the Knicks and Bulls and then turn and expect that someone is going to bail you out. Asik wants out. You went for Howard, take the reasonable deal and stop acting like someone is going to give you an All-Star in return.

    • antistratfordian - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM

      Asik is very valuable because there aren’t many quality defensive and rebounding 7 footers in this league. I’d say he’s much more valuable than some players who made the All-Star team recently (Jrue Holiday? Joe Johnson?).

      GMs have been blowing up Morey’s phone the last few days, I assure you.

    • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

      So to correct you point by point.

      1. It makes little to no sense to address Daryl Morey in comments left here at ProBasketball Talk, since it’s doubtful he’s coming to this website and looking to the comments for advice on how to do his job.
      2. Asik and Lin were signed as free agents. That meant Morey didn’t make any deals, “shady” or otherwise, with “the Knicks and the Bulls.” He dealt directly with the players and their agents.
      3. The report said Morey wants an “impact player.” There are plenty of players in the NBA who are impact players but not All-Stars. As a Knicks fan, you wouldn’t know about them since your team is talent poor (Andrea Bargnani is not an impact player), but they’re out there.

    • antihypocritz - Nov 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      casualcommenter missed one correction, so allow me.

      “You are dealing from a position of no leverage, Morey.”

      Right, because no other teams in the NBA need a starting center that’s one of the best rim defenders and rebounders in the league…

      You should try thinking before typing. It’s possible that if you do, less garbage will spew forth.

  2. legend30 - Nov 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass for Omer Asik. People keep mentioning Ryan Anderson for Omer Asik, but I don’t see the trade happening. Pelicans love Ryan Anderson. That Boston and Houston trade will happen. Watch!

  3. JHathwell - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    This is factually incorrect and just flat out makes no sense. He made no “shady deals with NY and Chicago”, he signed free agents. Also, he’s not looking to get out from under the contracts, he’s looking to move a player who is asking to be traded and whom no longer fits their plans in the wake of the Howard signing.

    He’s going t be patient and wait for the right deal to come along, whether it be a stretch 4 to put next to Howard or a future pick. The closer we get to the deadline, the better the offers are likely to be.

    Whether or not you like Morey personally or the Rockets as a team, to act like he’s done anything but an awesome job building this team is just plain ignorant.

    • stadix093 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM

      Asik is good, but he isn’t that good. He meant a lot to Houston at the time and that is why they structured the poison pill contract. If he doesn’t mean as much to another team, why would they give up an impact player for him? Sometimes you gamble and win, sometimes you gamble and lose. Morey has done a great job, but he’s likely to take a loss on this one.

      • Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM

        It’s that simple, stadix093.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

        Asik would mean a lot to any team. He means a lot to the Rockets and they wanted him to stay to back up Howard – but Asik doesn’t want to do that.

        But there isn’t a team in the league that wouldn’t want Asik. The vast majority of teams don’t have a player like him so to have one is a real luxury.

      • JHathwell - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:13 PM

        Try telling that to about half the teams in the league that could use a 10 and 12 guy in the middle.

      • llfreedman - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM

        Asik is a really good center…how many of those are there in the NBA? I think you’re completely off here…Asik is a great rebounder and defender. I’m sure a lot of teams are interest hoping they can get a discount because he’s disgruntled. Asik was great last year for Houston, but he’s not as great as Howard who is the best center in the nba. It’s not the value of Asik to Houston that really matters, its the value he’s worth in the open market. Houston only takes a large loss here if they decide they don’t want the drama and take a quick deal.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM

      LMAO they were poison pill contracts. Legal, permissible under the rules, yes. But still shady.

      • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

        If by “shady,” you mean, “Legal, permissible, transparent, and easy to understand for everybody except you apparently,” then yes, the contracts were “shady.”

      • JHathwell - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:03 PM

        Again, they weren’t “deals with New York and Houston”, they were free agent signings.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:18 PM

      Actually, the longer it goes, the worse the deals will be, unless someone’s big man goes down with serious injury. There’s just simply no reason to make a move to get Asik until he enters his walk year. Since you want to talk about what is “factually correct”, as if what I said before wasn’t. He made maverick moves, and sometimes taking a loss on the back end is part of it. He maxed out two players, and if he doesn’t move Asik or Lin by July 1, they are going to be in a mess with the luxury tax, especially considering this team is nowhere near being one that can win a title, and thereby deeming the luxury tax payment worth it (like Miami did).

      • Kevin S. - Nov 15, 2013 at 8:30 PM

        They’re actually nowhere near the luxury tax, this year or next year. They already have twelve players under contract next year for just under $62 million, which leaves them room to use their full MLE, BAE and take back extra salary in trades without going over the luxury tax. The backloaded payments to Lin and Asik aren’t reflected in their cap hits, which are even across the three years of their deals. If you actually understood how NBA salaries worked instead of being a butthurt Knick fan, you might have avoided making a fool out of yourself.

      • therealhtj - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

        The cap hit on those “poison pill” contracts you’re so quick to criticize is spread EVENLY across the duration of the contract. Houston’s cap hit next year on Lin and Asik, if they stay on the roster, will be a shade under 8.5, not the 15 morons like Carmelo and JR Smith were so quick to criticize.

        Yes they do get paid that 15 next year, but that’s NOT their cap number. So 8.5 for a quality center like Asik is not out of the question at all. He’d still have to be paid out 15 so podunk penny-pinchers like OKC are out, but a bigger market wouldn’t think twice.

      • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM

        “Actually, the longer it goes, the worse the deals will be, unless someone’s big man goes down with serious injury.”

        Yes. And NBA bigs get injured all the time, which is something you as a bitter Knicks fan who has watched Amar’e Stoudamire and Tyson Chandler break down the past couple of years would have experience with, right?

        “There’s just simply no reason to make a move to get Asik until he enters his walk year.”

        How about if a team needs a defensive center and wants to win this year? Hmm, that seems like an obvious reason to make a trade. It took me about 5 seconds to come up with a reason…

      • antihypocritz - Nov 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        “There’s just simply no reason to make a move to get Asik until he enters his walk year.”

        Utter and complete nonsense.

      • JHathwell - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM

        No, everything you’ve said here is factually incorrect.

        1) The poison pill contract is not shady or illegal, but an innovative interpre3tation of the rules, just like when the sign & trade was first utilized. Don’t be mad t Morey for innovating.

        2) it makes all the sense in the world for a team that needs a center to swing a deal now for Asik. He makes just 5m this year, which is an absolute bargain for a player of his caliber. The practical way to look at it is Asik is making 2/20m for the length of his deal.

        3) The Rockets are nowhere near the luxury tax this year. Payroll is at 57m, tax is 70. Their 2015 payroll is over the tax as of now but that’s 8 months away and I’m sure it’ll be taken care of by then, especially since Asik will be traded and they are only 1m over the tax anyhow,

      • xLith - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:00 AM

        Wright, your obvious hatred for the Rockets or Morey is leading you blindly. Just stop arguing while you’re ahead. It’s embarrassing dude.

  4. timb12 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    He has a little leverage. There will be 5 or 6 teams going after Asik. That gives him a little bit, assuming they don’t know what the others are offering.

  5. iamsamkniazeff - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Bosh.

  6. progress2011 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    PAT RILEY !!!!

    Asik & Jeremy Lin for Chris Bosh & Chalmers……Make It Happen!

    Before all the C.Bosh fans start making ill informed comments, defending Bosh/ Chalmers. Here are the FACTS!

    2013 Asik – 7ft/ 255, FG% 54%, Total Rebounds 956, Total Pts- 832, Salary 8Million
    2013 Bosh- 6’10/ 228 FG% 54%, Total Rebounds 501, Total Pts- 1232, Salary 19Million
    *Asik had 455 more boards
    *Bosh had 400 more pts, playing with LBJ who feeds him. Asik will get the same food.

    2013 Lin – 6’3/ 200 – FG% 44, Assists-497, Steals-134, Total Pts -1095, Salary 8.3 Million
    2013 Chalmers- 6’1/190- FG% 43, Assists-273, Steals-118, Total Pts – 666, Salary 4Million
    * Lin had 224 more assists
    * Lin had 429 more points
    * Lin had 16 more assists

    Cap Room – If this trade is made, Miami will save approximately 7 Million. This is crucial with all the free agents coming available next year.

    I believe Miami will address their weaknesses with this trade and be even more ready to defend their title this year, while freeing up cap room for the future.

    Anybody got Pats number!

    • notfol - Nov 18, 2013 at 3:43 PM

      You should check with the Trade Machine before posting stupid trade scenarios. The salaries have to be with $5 million & I doubt Morey wants Bosh’s awful contract.

  7. anhdazman - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Howard and this guy wasn’t going to work out from the beginning. They should have moved him right away when they signed Howard.

    • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:32 PM

      Probably. Howard can be foul prone at times and was coming off an injury-limited season, so I think the team wanted to be conservative in making sure that if Howard still wasn’t up to speed this year, they could limit his minutes a bit with a good defensive center in Asik.

  8. misterdreamer119 - Nov 15, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Asik is not that far behind howard as far as a basketball player.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Nov 15, 2013 at 8:18 PM

      He is just as good as a rebounder and a defender, and at least has more than one move offensively.

      • llfreedman - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        Wait so you think Asik is better than Howard? I love Asik, but even I won’t go that far.

      • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:30 PM

        So you’re calling Omer Asik an elite rebounder and defender here, but a few comments above, you’re saying he’s overpaid with a contract giving him an average salary cap hit of around $8 million? Lol.

  9. benjaminmoney - Nov 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Asik for Tyreke –Evans…another ball handling perimeter player for Hou and a real center for the pelicans! bookit!

    • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:21 PM

      Erm, the Rockets have Harden, Lin, Parsons…why would they need another ball-handling perimeter player?

      The Rockets need a power forward, so if we’re talking about the Pelicans, Ryan Anderson would make far more sense if he weren’t injured.

  10. ningenito78 - Nov 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Imam Shumpert for Asik.

    • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:29 PM

      Rockets could use another perimeter defender, but the bigger need is a power forward.

      Also, the Knicks aren’t going anywhere this year, and so they are unlikely to want to take on additional salary – Asik is getting paid significantly more than Shumpert. That’s why they were after Faried, who is currently cheap since he’s on his rookie deal.

  11. mackcarrington - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    And the “Dwight Howard Effect” continues.
    Even when Howard is “happy”, someone , somewhere else won’t be.

    • hannsta - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM

      You?

      • mackcarrington - Nov 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM

        I’m flattered. But no, I’m not referring to myself.
        Would you like me to send you an autograph, though?

  12. bknowledge - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Spencer Hawes for Asik.

    Asik and Lin’s deals are not poison pill contracts. They cost 8 million each year against the cap and in calculating the luxury tax. Their salaries do ballon in their 3rd year, but their cap hit and luxury tax number is still 8 million. For reference:

    http://www.shamsports.com/2013/07/omer-asik-and-jeremy-lins-contract.html

    • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:26 PM

      Thanks for providing that link.

      Pretty much everybody here except Mr. Wright 212, self-proclaimed master of determining which contracts are “shady,” understood how those contracts worked, but it’s still good to make that information so readily available that it’s “idiot proof.”

  13. hollymeus - Nov 15, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    get ibaka for asik

    • stadix093 - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:09 PM

      No way the Thunder that that man. I love the NBA! Gives us a chance for discussion haha.

    • casualcommenter - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM

      Good for the Rockets, bad for the Thunder.

      That trade gives the Rockets a good jump-shooting power forward in Serge Ibaka who also is a strong shot-blocker.

      However, while the Thunder would get back a center in Omer Asik who is far better than Kendrick Perkins, they’d have a hole at power forward. Perry Jones isn’t ready for prime time, and Durant isn’t built to play power forward for heavy minutes.

  14. reesesteel23 - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Amare Stoudemire and 2nd Round Pick

    For

    Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik

    Knicks headline: Linsanity returns with a vengeance; Asik and Chandler the next twin towers? We say yes

    Rockets headline: Rockets want to win now, get Amare for a year or two + 2014 2nd round pick

    • zoomy123 - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:58 PM

      LOLOL! Houston is going to take a non-defender with bumb knees and a meaningless 2nd round pick for their sixth man and an elite NBA 7 foot center? LOLOL!

    • weaselpuppy - Nov 16, 2013 at 12:44 AM

      That is JR Smith stupid

    • bruiserbrigade - Nov 16, 2013 at 1:24 AM

      You’re playing way too much nba 2k……

  15. jcrileyesq - Nov 15, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    asik and draft picks for lamarcus aldridge

  16. zoomy123 - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    I’m telling you, the best trade is Chris Bosh for Omer Asik + Terrence Jones. Houston gets an impact player who can stretch the floor at power forward and immediately puts them in title contention. Houston would start: Beverley, Harden, Parsons, Bosh + Howard. Miami immediately gets younger and bigger on their front court, which would take care of their only vulnerability, and they would unload Bosh’s contract. Omer Asik would effectively neutralize Hibbert, Noah, and Lopez. And if Oden gets healthy Miami would wind up having one of the biggest front courts in the league. Imagine a 7 foot elite center surrounded by James, Wade and 2 other shooters. That would be hell for any team to defend.

    • legend30 - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:57 PM

      No. Miami is not trading Bosh. And why are people saying Asik is an elite center… He’s good, and I would love to have him in Miami, but he’s not elite. He’s getting traded to Boston.

      • zoomy123 - Nov 15, 2013 at 11:59 PM

        Just because Miami isn’t trading Bosh doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a good trade. As for Asik being elite or not that’s a matter of perspective.

      • legend30 - Nov 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

        It’s not rocket science. Miami is not trading Bosh for Asik, it’s pretty straightforward. The big 3 went to the NBA finals the past three years, they will continue to build the team around them.

    • bruiserbrigade - Nov 16, 2013 at 1:31 AM

      Wade is fading fast, Bosh might be ready to step up in his place.

      • zoomy123 - Nov 16, 2013 at 3:25 AM

        Bosh is already 29 (by the time the playoffs come around he’ll be 30) and did you see him in the playoffs last year? He averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds, and in the finals he averaged 12-9. I see no evidence that Chris Bosh can be a true #2. Miami should go out and get a free agent as soon as Wade retires. Maybe sooner and have him come off the bench.

      • sportsfan18 - Nov 16, 2013 at 5:47 AM

        Miami should go out and get a free agent as soon as Wade retires you say?

        He’s going to play for several more yrs still.

        They will get other other free agents BEFORE he retires.

  17. vapor54 - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:33 AM

    Nuggets need a player like Asik since McGee is injured.

  18. belleby123 - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Next up for the Rockets: Dwight Howard demands they move the team to Anaheim and change their name to “Missiles”.

  19. valeb2012 - Nov 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    I think Spencer Hawes, Brandon Bass, Channing Frye, Markieff Morris, even Varejao would be good a fit in HOU, someone to spread the floor for Howard.

  20. drago2012 - Nov 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Trade Asik for Carlos Boozer. Western conference does not play lock down defense so, Boozer will fit in nicely. Bulls can move Taj Gibson to that power forward slot. Asik is already familiar with the Bulls and Thibs.

  21. imthewiz77 - Nov 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Thad Young for Asik…The contracts match up and a good fit for both teams…expect philly and houston to do some business together

  22. johnlongdongsilver - Nov 19, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    I think the best trade for the Rockets would be to trade Omer Asik to Atlanta for Paul Milsap. This would allow Houston to pair Milsap, who is slightly undersized as a PF with Dwight Howard. Milsap has a low-post skill set with touch from the outside, as evidenced by his 3 point shooting percentage. Also this would give Atlanta a legitimate center to pair with Horford. Horford is a natural PF and has been an undersized center for his entire career. This would give Atlanta a legitimate center who is capable of producing a double double night in and night out; as well as, allow Horford to slide to his natural PF spot and dominate on a nightly basis. I think the mere fact that Horford would not have to bang with centers on defense would enhance his output on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball while giving Atlanta a large front court; instead of the small front court they currently have. I see this trade as the most beneficial to both teams and I really hope that it happens. This would allow Houston to move from an early playoff exit to a legitimate title contender by giving Houston 5 players who are able to score 20 points on any given night. With Lin, Harden, Parson, Milsap, and Howard. Houston would be the best in the West, easily.

  23. smileyd123 - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Lin and Asik Contracts are poison pill contracts. They offered those guys contracts that inflated their current value to pry them away from their current team. Given the media misinformed the public on the even distruibution of the contract, but the two guys are not worth it. Atleast at the time they were signed. No one will take that Jeremy Lin deal right now. Asik is a different story because his game has matured alot and he is a forced down low. Any GM in the league would tell you what the Rockets was doing. To put things in perspective, that would be similar to someone offering Iman Shumpert 10mill a year when he hits his restricted free agent status.

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