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Report: Nuggets shoot down Iman Shumpert for Kenneth Faried trade

Nov 13, 2013, 6:08 PM EST

Kenneth Faried AP

UPDATE 6:08 pm: The Kenneth Faried for Iman Shumpert talks are dead, at least according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports, who tweeted this:

Denver has made it clear to Kenneth Faried’s reps: There are no active talks involving him. Knicks offered Shumpert. Denver rejected idea.

Of course, if you were trying to negotiate a better deal this would be your first response and what you would leak. Talks have a way or resurecting, so don’t assume this is the end.

That said, I would understand Denver cutting it off. Faried to New York, where they are in desperate need of front line help with Tyson Chandler out, always made sense. Shumpert to Denver less so — yes Shumpert can fill some of the Andre Iguodala hole but the Nuggets can likely do better, they will want picks and sweetners with Shumpert. And the Knicks don’t have any first round picks they can move until 2018.

Wojnarowski added this:

3:18 pm: Denver’s new coach and front office like the polished offense J.J. Hickson brings and we told you before they were looking to shop Kenneth Faried this season.

Right now the Knicks desperately need help along the front line with Tyson Chandler out at least a month (likely more), and the Energizer Bunny that is Faried would be a good fit (and it works when Chandler returns as well).

So now two sides are having intensifying talks about a Faried for Shumpert trade, reports Frank Isola at the New York Daily News, but the price Denver wants is high — Iman Shumpert.

Talks between the Knicks and Nuggets centered around a deal that would send Iman Shumpert to Denver for forward Kenneth Faried have intensified in recent days, the Daily News has learned.

According to a league source, no deal is imminent, although the struggling Knicks feel they need to make a move to bolster their banged-up frontcourt.

Those two have similar salaries and could be traded for each other straight up but Marc Stein of ESPN says the deal could stall because Denver wants more.

But sources told ESPN.com that multiple teams have approached the Knicks with interest in Shumpert and said New York remains undecided about whether to trade its coveted perimeter defensive specialist.

Yet it’s believed that Denver is also seeking draft compensation in addition to Shumpert in exchange for Faried, who averaged 11.5 points and 9.2 rebounds in 2012-13 in his second season as a pro. That could prove to be too high a price for the Knicks, who would prefer not to part with Shumpert but understand that he is by far their most attractive current trade asset.

On the surface, this trade makes sense for both sides.

The Knicks need help along the front line and Faried provides that — however Knicks fans should be warned he is not a great on ball or strong side defender (he is good at coming from the weak side to get a block). Faried can get the Knicks offense just by outworking people. With Shumpert out J.R. Smith moves into the starting five and it will mean more minutes for Tim Hardaway Jr. and likely even Beno Udrih.

Denver misses the perimeter defense that Andre Iguodala brought last season and Shumpert helps fill that role. While Shumpert doesn’t really create his own shot he has an improved jumper (35.3 percent this season from three) and is strong in transition.

That said, Denver is currently without JaVale McGee (stress fracture) so you have to question if they should move a big right now. Also, Faried’s offense mainly comes from running the floor faster than the other bigs, but nobody else in New York is going to play at that pace (maybe Raymond Felton would like to a little more but that’s not a running team in Madison Square Garden).

Plus, Knicks fans love Shumpert and would hate this deal (although Faried would grow on them).

You can see how this deal could happen, but there are always a million things that can trip up a trade. We’ll keep you updated.

  1. cantonbound13 - Nov 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Do it NY!

    • zeedoubleyou - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM

      Shumpert plays too much D for the Knicks’ liking… Faried should fit right in.

    • leahcima1 - Nov 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM

      Unfortunately for the Knicks the NBA doesn’t allow AK47 at the trade table. Another NY fantasy.

  2. asimonetti88 - Nov 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I don’t understand why either of these teams are so eager to part with these particular players.

    • jcmeyer10 - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      Because James Dolan is plum out of ideas after he told the dancers to stop dancing.

    • antistratfordian - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

      I’d take Faried over Shumpert in a heartbeat. Why is Denver so eager to part with Faried? Helin covered some of that in the article.

      • Kurt Helin - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

        Shaw and management think Faried is at his ceiling as an energy guy.

      • adamsjohn714 - Nov 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        Shaw and management appear stupid.

    • zerole00 - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:56 PM

      They’re overpaying for their rosters (or at least NYC is), and with the terrible starts I’m sure they’re willing to keep throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

      • azarkhan - Nov 13, 2013 at 5:39 PM

        Helin: “Shaw and management think Faried is at his ceiling as an energy guy.”

        How is it possible that a 23 year old who has only played one and one half seasons in the NBA (132 games) is at “his ceiling” in anything? Last year Faried played 28 minutes per game and averaged 11.5 points and 9 rebounds. Gee, I wonder what he could do if he played, say, 38 minutes?

    • redbaronx - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM

      @asimonetti88 – Because management on both teams is filled with holes….The Knicks don’t understand what they have in Shumpart, just like all the other great young talent they’ve been giving away (Galinari, Lee, etc.) Denver fired one of the best coaches they ever had and ran a very good GM out the door. Management for both teams stinks big time!

      Will someone please get rid of Dolan????

      • knightrider1755 - Nov 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM

        The Knicks are stuck with a clown owner and a bunch of garbage players. If Melo wants to win a championship he’ll leave those nitwits ASAP. The Knicks are making Lebron’s decision not to join them one of the smartest decisions ever made by any player in organized sports.

      • redbaronx - Nov 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM

        @knightrider1755 – LeBron is a smart guy. I’m sure he didn’t need anyone to tell him what a mess the Knicks are starting from Dolan at the top. Frankly, I think most Free Agents know to avoid the Knicks as long as Dolan is there.

  3. JP - Nov 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    The Nuggets need to completely blow it up. Lawson and Faried are not core franchise players who you build around. They can be nice role players somewhere, but both have serious flaws on and off the court. Faried isn’t a great fit with Shaw’s style. The Nuggets have regressed into NBA Purgatory where they aren’t contenders or a lottery team… They have no identity or vision. Something has to give.

    • broncobeta - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

      To me, they’re the obvious taking team. You don’t just clean house after your team wins 57 games for the hell of it. With Gallo out and the failing in the playoffs, Josh Kroenke said screw it, let’s tank this thing.

      If the Nuggets are in NBA Purgatory, then Ty Lawson is in Point Guard Purgatory. He is damn good, but he’ll never reach an Allstar game with Parker, CP3, and Westbrook in the same conference. He’ll always be on the cusp of greatness, unless he plays on an elite team.

      The Nuggets need a solid two guard. Not like Iguodala, they don’t have the shooting to field a bad shooting two guard. If the Nuggets would have had a younger Dwayne Wade on their squad last year instead of Iguodala they could have won the West. The shooting was just so inconsistent last year and when they couldn’t run, they were screwed. Iggy was phenomenal on defense, but god he could never make a basket consistently.

      • JP - Nov 13, 2013 at 5:23 PM

        They should be tanking, but they are doing a lousy job of tanking – that’s my point. They didn’t commit fully. The roster is still too deep. Especially when Wilson Chandler comes back.

        Lawson will always be on the cusp of greatness – including when he gets shipped to another team. The guy doesn’t have an elite work ethic or leadership skills to take it to another level. He’s aloof. What you see is what you get with him. He shows flashes of greatness and then disappears when you need him.

        They need to blow the whole thing up and start over. Unfortunately they’ve got a new albatross contract in JaVale McGee a la Kenyon Martin. This franchise is lost.

      • broncobeta - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

        My fear is that they’re not actually tanking and this is their idea of a competitive team. If you let Karl go and basically let Masai walk, you better be tanking.

    • JHathwell - Nov 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      The idea is to slowly morph into the kind of team Shaw wants. That’s the reason they’ve made certain moves, and why Faried is expendable now. The previous Denver style was built around using their depth and a fast base to take advantage of the altitude. Shaw’s style is built around defense and elements o the triangle.

  4. unfly - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Denver gets another guard to go along with

    Randy Foye
    Nate Robinson
    Andre Miller
    Ty Lawson
    Evan Fournier

    The Knicks get another lolnodefense PF to go along with

    Melo
    Stoudemire
    Bargnani

    How does this trade make sense for either side? I’m just not seeing it.

    • antistratfordian - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:41 PM

      I don’t know, but the Knicks rank 27th in rebounding and Faried is averaging 13 rebounds per 36 minutes this year – 12 on his career. Maybe that has something to do with it.

      • unfly - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:56 PM

        I appreciate the smart-aleck ‘wit,’ probably spawned by the fact that you post on this board all day and feel like you have fans to appease, but it’s not necessary.

        In case you weren’t aware, Tyson Chandler is injured and the Knicks also have next to 0 rim protection after him. They also have little perimeter defense after Shumpert. Trading for a guy who can’t play Center, their biggest need when you already have a logjam at his position, is foolish.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 13, 2013 at 5:19 PM

        “I appreciate the smart-aleck ‘wit,’ probably spawned by the fact that you post on this board all day and feel like you have fans to appease, but it’s not necessary.”

        You interpreted the tone of my post incorrectly. When I said “I don’t know” I meant that literally, not in a sarcastic, “I don’t know, but maybe (insert something obvious)” way. There was nothing smart-alecky about what I was trying to say.

        In any case, the Knicks ranked 25th in rebounding last year. Maybe they really believe in Pat Riley’s mantra of “no rebounds, no rings” and want to change that.

    • redbaronx - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:35 PM

      @unfly – You’re right….it doesn’t make sense. But then nothing either of the teams do makes sense. Denver could have been great with all the talent they’ve had running through there, but can’t make up their minds on what direction to go in.

  5. ProBasketballPundit - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Noooo! Don’t help the Knicks. Leave them with Bargnani, Carmelo, and Amare’s cadaver.

    • zeedoubleyou - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

      I don’t know how much this would be helping. They might as well throw a Knicks jersey on the chair from Yi Jianlian’s pre-draft workout.

    • redbaronx - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:37 PM

      @ProBasketballPundit – LMAO @ Amare’s “cadaver”. It does feel like he’s never coming back!

  6. benjamintko - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Damn, I like both of them. Like the article says, I hate to see Shump go, but I can definitely see Faried being embraced in MSG.

  7. jolink653 - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Knicks need Shump to space the floor and defend on the wing; who’s defending opposing guards if they dump him? I like Faried, but not at the expense of Shump…the only reason the Knicks are entertaining trade talks is because Dolab doesn’t like Shumpert, stemming from his leaving the summer Vegas league to go on the Adidas tour in China…this is a personal thing for Dolan; not a move that would improve the team

    • JHathwell - Nov 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

      Wouldn’t exactly call Shumpert a “floor spacer”.

  8. lastdukestreetking - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Magic fans hope both the Nuggets & Knicks suck this year.

  9. johngalt1783 - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Shumpert to to the Raptors, DeRozan to the the Nuggets and Faried to the Knicks.

  10. azarkhan - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    I have no idea why Denver wants to get rid of Kenneth Faried. But then, I have no idea why Denver wanted to get rid of Coach of the Year George Karl.

    • JP - Nov 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM

      He’s looking to cash in after 2014-2015 and his style isn’t a great fit for what Denver’s trying to do with Shaw in the half court since he isn’t a good 1:1 defender or a low post scorer. If they wait to trade him next year, his value goes down. Faried’s style can be very complementary with the right team, or detrimental to a team depending on what you’re asking of him and who you’re surrounding him with. I think it makes sense to trade him if you’re the Nuggets based on where that team is headed (nowhere anytime soon).

  11. JHathwell - Nov 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Here’s some fun math for you.

    The Knicks spending 72m over their 86m payroll on the frontcourt, and they are still lacking in depth. If they end up trading for Faried, they’ll be paying 35m to their reserve bigs.

    So yeah, this team is poorly built.

    • eventhorizon04 - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM

      Spending $22 million per year on a player who either is out with injury or limited to 15 minutes per game has a habit of making a payroll look terrible.

      Not even large market team like the Knicks can build a quality roster with such a large albatross.

      • JHathwell - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:46 PM

        It’s just funny that they are spending 14m on their entire back court, and they are still willing to trade one of their guards for even MORE front court help.

      • redbaronx - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:52 PM

        @eventhorizon04 – This is a habitual problem with New York. They don’t seem satisfied with developing their draft picks, sign older or health questionable players to contracts, and then get zippo from those players. Off the top of my head: Antonio McDyess, Alan Houston, Amare Stoudamire. I’m sure there’s more if I were to think about it, but it gives me a headache!

    • redbaronx - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:43 PM

      @JHathwell – This reminds me of the early 2000’s when the Knicks had all that money tied up in Alan Houston and Latrell Sprewell and later with Isaiah tying up long-term money in a bunch of stiffs. I have a feeling it’s going to take years getting out of the contract mess that is brewing on players that won’t be playing much.

      • JHathwell - Nov 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM

        Totally. This roster is a mess and worse, they are locked into mediocrity for the next two years. Question is, does Melo want to stay with a team that can’t contend and more importantly, can they even ever contend with him?

        Of course, all of this goes back to the deal they made to get Melo in the first place. That deal stripped them of most of their assets and is the primary reason why masai Ujiri is considered as top flight GM. Well, that and convincing NY to not only take Bargnani but also give them picks!

        LOLKnicks, in other words

      • redbaronx - Nov 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        @JHathwell – I wasn’t a big fan of the trade when it happened. I think it’s a big problem when your best player whom you’re paying a max contract can’t play above average defense. I feel like the Knicks are in for another “Lost Decade” like the 2000’s without major luck in the draft.

      • JHathwell - Nov 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM

        This is what I wrote way back when. Interesting to read it again today, all things considered.

        http://thesonofsambowie.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/isiah-rides-again-off-into-the-sunset-with-the-knicks-future-or-as-clyde-frazier-might-say-trading-and-fading/

  12. legend30 - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    I called it! I said this in the article saying Nuggets are trying to trade K. Faried. I said I got a feeling Knicks was going to offer Shumpert for Faried. Everyone dislike my comment, I never said it was a good trade for Nuggets, but I knew Knicks was still going offer Shumpert for Faried. It’s the Knicks for crying out loud!

  13. rickyspanish - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Helin

    Do you think he’s hit his ceiling?

    • Kurt Helin - Nov 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM

      No, but I’m not sure his skillset ceiling is as high as some think it is. However, to quote David Thorpe “energy is a skill” and he is elite at that, something a lot of teams could use.

  14. csbanter - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Nuggets are no rush to deal with Knicks after receiving and then breaking the bank for an often injured player Danilo Galinari.

  15. cruzan80 - Nov 14, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    Thank God! This would’ve easily been top 5 in worst moves ever by the Knicks….& with the amount of stupid moves they have made over their history…that’s saying a lot.

  16. bramabull23 - Nov 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Don’t do it, Shumpert is a keeper, if you cut him loose, who’s gonna be the perimeter stopper? No one! Not only that, he’s getting better offensively, give the guy a chance to be great!

  17. flyrocket31 - Nov 14, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    Faried to Houston for Asik?

  18. millerje1962 - Nov 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    I wouldn’t take back Melo & JR for Faried, Shumpert comparison is only in contract.

  19. pistolpete0903 - Nov 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    As much as I like the Manimal and hope to see him succeed, he is a rich man’s Ronny Turiaf.
    He brings in hustle, energy and heart every night; but he ain’t got much of a game.
    As age progresses, we migth see a dip in his defense (more specifically rebounding). If he improves his b’ball IQ (good boxing out, establishing position), he could be a good fit.

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