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Ray Allen says Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett haven’t spoken to him since he left Celtics for Heat

Nov 10, 2013, 12:30 PM EDT

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The players and coaches of the Celtics team that won a title in 2008 and contended for a few years afterward pretended as though there was a bond in place that was more special than it was anywhere else.

But once the business side of things began to take precedent over the basketball side, things changed.

Ray Allen was the subject of multiple trade rumors leading up to his decision to leave the Celtics and join the Miami Heat in the summer of 2012. He had no guarantees from the front office as to what his future would be in Boston, and perhaps seeing the writing on the wall that the Celtics’ window to win another title had already slammed shut, he hopped onto the roster of the defending champs.

That didn’t sit well with Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, who wanted to keep the band together for one more tour. And they still apparently haven’t forgiven Allen for his decision, even now that more than an entire season has passed.

From Mark Murphy of the Boston Herald:

“They haven’t spoken to me,” Allen said before last night’s game against what remained of his former team. Allen played 24 minutes and had five points with three assists as the Celtics stunned the defending champion Heat, 111-110. …

“For them to be so upset with me is disappointing because of how everything happened,” Allen said. “That banner in 2008 is still going to be there, and we’re still going to be tied to it.

“Look, I have a feeling they were in the same predicament I was in this summer. Even with Doc (Rivers), he had to make a decision that was best for himself. I was in the same situation. I’m happy they were put into the same situation as I was. Anytime you get traded there’s no telling where you could end up. They’re in a situation now where they can contend. Kevin had to make that decision, and that was the predicament I was in.”

The whole thing seems fairly hypocritical of Pierce and Garnett now that they’ve also left Boston, albeit via trade instead. But Garnett had to waive his no-trade clause to go, so one could easily argue that he chose to leave, as well.

Then there’s Doc Rivers, of course, who forced his way out of Boston to coach the Clippers after admitting to not wanting to stick around for the rebuilding process — even after he signed a contract extension in 2011 that he knew would take him well past a point where the core players at the time would still be playing at a level where competing for a title was possible.

Maybe that bond wasn’t so special after all.

  1. Adam O'Kane - Nov 10, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    “The players and coaches of the Celtics team that won a title in 2008 and contended for a few years afterward pretended as though there was a bond in place that was more special than it was anywhere else.”

    I’m not clear – is this a report or an editorial? They [i]pretended[/i]? What, did they beat your favorite team or something?

    Maybe that bond in place is exactly why they were/still are upset with Allen about leaving.

    Ray’s departure was completely different from Pierce and KG’s…

  2. themagicfanguy - Nov 10, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Except that Allen left a contending team in free agency to go to their arch rivals, and Pierce/KG were traded from a team that had just lost Rondo for the year and was intent on trading Pierce and rebuilding. Not very hypocritical at all.

    • jruc - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      What??? Does it matter that they were “rebuilding”? They claim they love Boston so much anf were left because Allen “didn’t” but they up and left too? Peirce was even more okay than Garnett and convinced him…They are hypocrites…

      • jruc - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        *and were mad….sorry, I can’t really see while texting this in on my phone…

    • n2thaizzo - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      People always seem to ignore the fact that Ray decided to leave FOR THE CELTICS MAIN RIVALS at that time! That’s why people criticize him. It’s not that he just left. Had he signed with the Grizzlies, or the Bulls, I doubt their would be that much anger towards him.

      • daddyb1gdrawz - Nov 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

        So Ray left to go to Miami, the Celtics rival. Paul and KG left to a team within their same division. Sooooooo… is this that much different? Sure, the vehicle by which the actions was different (free agency v. trade) but same result. I am floored people cannot see Ray Allen’s point in this. Remember it was not KG or Pierce’s name being rumored to be traded two years straight. Boston could have traded him to Sacramento where he would have been stuck to rot. Instead he wanted control and one title later, he made the right choice.

      • deavn - Nov 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

        Well, he won a ring. Looks like Ray made the right choice. Maybe They should have done the same too.

      • 1historian - Nov 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

        He left for a team that he figured – correctly – had a much better chance to win a championship.

    • marsh025 - Nov 10, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      man you are dense and hypocritical.
      but we understand.
      i mean, you will hate Greg Oden because he signed with the Heat. You’ll even wish him an injury.
      Ray Allen has two rings and has solidified his place in the annals of NBA lore.
      PP and KG are jealous of that.
      They’ll go off into the century village sunset with their one ring and bitterness about not beating the Heat.
      Ray will be forever celebrated for his amazingly clutch three in game 6 of the NBA finals. The one PP and KG were watching on TV.

    • antistratfordian - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:17 PM

      Garnett and Pierce went to a team IN THEIR OWN DIVISION. Who does that? That’s kind of worse.

      Ray and Doc I can understand – less direct competition with the Celtics. But to go to Brooklyn from Boston. That’s like Tom Brady going to the Jets.

      • savvybynature - Nov 11, 2013 at 1:34 AM

        They were traded there moron, they didn’t CHOOSE to go to a division rival, a point which you conveniently ignore.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 11, 2013 at 4:16 AM

        This is where you are mistaken. Paul Pierce has the same agent as Jason Kidd. They came up with a plan to where Pierce and Kidd would convince KG to waive his no-trade clause so that both Pierce and KG can be dealt to Brooklyn. The Nets approached Ainge with this idea after the details had been worked out between Kidd, Pierce and KG (and King) – not the other way around.

        And Pierce said he has a multi-hour phone call with KG where he eventually convinced him to waive his no-trade clause. If KG would not have waived his clause both of them would still be in Boston, because the Nets weren’t going to give up enough just for Pierce.

        So, essentially, Pierce did choose the Nets. Pierce was the key to making it all happen.

      • n2thaizzo - Nov 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM

        No, It would be more like Brady going to Buffalo. The Nets may have been in the Celtics division, but the C’s didn’t consider the Nets “rivals”. There was no hate. Patriots and Jets have hate for each other. Their fans and coaches have hate for each other. That hate doesn’t exist with the Bills.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        Whether fans consider them rivals or not doesn’t really matter. They are in your division. Winning your division is the first order of business; the division champ is assured no less than the 4th seed.

        So in this hypothetical scenario whether Brady went to the Jets, Bills or Dolphins wouldn’t make much of a difference – the problem would be the same for the Patriots. They would have to deal with Brady in order to accomplish their most immediate goals.

        The fans may not have felt the sting of that immediately because they were not previously considered “rivals” – but they will feel it now.

    • eternallyill - Nov 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM

      People seem to forget/ don’t know that the celtics tried to trade ray Allen and rondo to Phoenix to begin the rebuild process, and when negotiations fell through they went and signed Jason Terry who plays the same position as Ray Allen. Then Ray Allen and Rondo can’t get along and Celtics brass sided with rondo. I bring this up to say Ray Allen leaving Boston is completely understandable and justified. When you look at the facts it looks like the celtics didn’t too much love for sugar ray…..

  3. chicagofan - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    The Celts team Ray left had just taken Miami to 7games and lost arguably because of Ray’s foot injury and his missed shots in that series. So KG and PP can make the case for them(with a healthy RA and returning Jeff Green) making another serious run at Miami and obviously would be betrayed if RA joined their main rival –which he did.

    • marsh025 - Nov 10, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      dude, PP and KG has been washed up for several years now. They weren’t winning anything with or without ray.
      Just look at them now. KG is almost embarrassing himself out there.
      And Paul Pierce, his “loyalty” was going to get him traded. He wised up and beat the Celtics to the punch.
      I imagine Ray should have just let the team decide where he was going to be traded to. HE WAS ABOUT TO BE TRADED.
      Doc rivers gets a pass but Ray is the traitor?

    • rodyaugu - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      They lost cause lebron went beast mode on them the last couple games.

  4. titansbro - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    No promises? Business side? They we’re giving him way more money & a no trade clause to stay in a city that he said he loved. He was butt hurt that he wasn’t a star anymore. And it’s easier to accept a role player position on a new team than one where you’ve been the star. I love ray rays game, but let’s be real here. We all know what happened.

  5. dgilet1 - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    I don’t know how media compares ray Allen jumping ship in free agency to the celtics being desperate to dump kg and pierces contracts so they can rebuild…they had to convince kg to waive his trade clause…completely not the same thing at all. Ones a trade for the teams benefit, one a guy left in free agency

    • marsh025 - Nov 10, 2013 at 4:54 PM

      dgilet1 a guy left in free agency… for his own good.
      Why do people always have the mentality that the players should let the teams dictate where they play? Ray was a Free agent.
      What’s the point of free agency if a player can’t decide what’s best for him?
      apparently lots of sheeple out there who let others decide their fate.
      If that’s what you want, good for you but don’t tell others to act like that.

  6. renbidoni - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Call the whaambulance, if he was going to leave, why wouldn’t he leave for the team that he thought would be the best for him? What would you do? Join the wizards or somethin? The NBA is a competition. The decisions these guys make will affect their entire lives. If you’re really that butt-hurt over the rivalry, or if you see Allen’s team of choice as some kind of betrayal to his honor, you should go watch a Disney movie.

  7. legend30 - Nov 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Garnett and Pierce are hypocrites. It’s not Ray Allen’s fault that Boston were trying to trade him. I remember they were considering trading Allen for M. Ellis. Why stay with a team that is trying to trade you? End of the day, Ray Allen got his second ring and Pierce and Garnett can continue being, Ken and Barbie.

    • ahmedovic8 - Nov 10, 2013 at 5:10 PM

      It’s not like the Boston Celtics gave him more money and a no-trade clause.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        That came a little too late – and for Allen it felt more like it was only an attempt by Boston to keep him from going to Miami. It came out that Doc told both Ray Allen AND Jason Terry that they were the Celtics highest priority (after Garnett) – and that was probably the last straw.

    • mydoghasfleez - Nov 10, 2013 at 8:29 PM

      Ken & Barbie—that’s hilarious.

      They are not hypocrites though; they just had to get traded to a team in a state that allowed same sex marriage.

      • 1historian - Nov 16, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        Have you ever heard of ‘Massachusetts’?

  8. pbtunpaidwriter - Nov 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    A key point a lot of people are missing was that Ray Allen was constantly in trade talks.

    He wanted to control his own fate and he also didn’t like playing with Rondo. Ray was simply ahead of the curve and saw this whole rebuild before it happened.

    …And he was the reason they won the championship, I think he made the right move

    Of course KG and Pierce aren’t talking to him since they’re bitter he won another title

    • pbtunpaidwriter - Nov 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

      Looks like we got a lot of KG and Pierce fans here haha

      • savvybynature - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:05 PM

        I’m not a fan of either, but your comment is just misinformed because the Celts offered him a no-trade clause. There would have been no trade talks had he resigned.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM


        Don’t be so naive. Why would a team that was constantly trying to trade a player all of a sudden offer him the coveted no-trade clause?? Almost overnight the Celtics went from trying to trade Allen to wanting to put him in that elite non-tradable group with franchise players Dirk, Duncan, KG and Kobe. Why would they do that? Because they found out his top choice was the Miami Heat. That was the only reason it was on the table.

        Offering Ray Allen that, after everything they put him through (put on the trading block, benched), was more of a slap in the face. He probably said to his wife at some point, “they must think I’m stupid.”

        If the Celtics thought he was most interested in the Bobcats they would’ve just let him walk.

    • apkyletexas - Nov 10, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      @pbtunpaidwriter – “A key point a lot of people are missing was that Ray Allen was constantly in trade talks.”

      Another key point people miss is that no one likes Ray, and they probably wouldn’t have spoken to him in the first place if they weren’t stuck on the same team together.

  9. rodge1 - Nov 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    KG and Pierce are hypocrites. I’m really glad they left Boston the way they did so everyone else could see this.

  10. jjordannba - Nov 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    If you really think the situations were the same then you really are not bright, they were entirely different. Stop listening to Espn and biased bloggers form your own opinions do your own research.

  11. jzone954 - Nov 10, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Everyone who has a problem with what Ray did is a hypocrite. Everyone would do what’s best for them and there family so please…..

    Celtics fans make it look like they drafted Ray Allen and his entire career was in a celtics uniform, and the fact he ended up getting a second ring shows he made the right choice.

    • marsh025 - Nov 10, 2013 at 4:57 PM

      the guy who played his entire career as a Celtic was about to be traded for a bag of beans (PP).
      Imagine the Lakers trading Kobe? The Lakers are too classy to do that.
      Boston? Not so much.
      They traded Robert Parrish.

    • tomalston - Nov 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      With all the money they make I’m tired of them always saying what’s best for their families. Superstars make more in 1 year than I could spend in a lifetime. If Ray had stayed & got traded that would have made me just as mad with Ainge as I am about the lack of loyalty to Paul Pierce. Ray left to go to their rivals just to stick it to the Celtics. NOTHING classy about that.

  12. obmig - Nov 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    What a joke. One of the nicest guys in the league decided he didn’t want to listen to trade rumors for another season and went to a team with title hopes and he gets blamed for it.

    • savvybynature - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

      Except the Celts offered him a no-trade clause, so your comment doesn’t make any sense. There would’ve been no rumors had he stayed in Boston.

      • redbaronx - Nov 10, 2013 at 11:19 PM

        @savvybynature – I don’t remember the Celtics offering Ray a no trade clause, but even if that were true, it makes no difference. The fact is that the Celtics were openly trying to trade Ray, which is fine. But at the same time Ray probably didn’t want to be traded to a non-contending team (Like the Monte Ellis trade that fell through), and made the decision to do what was best for him.

        As far as there being no rumors had he stayed in Boston makes ZERO sense. After two years of Boston toying with trading Ray, you think it was suddenly going to stop out of the blue? That’s unrealistic.

  13. 00maltliquor - Nov 10, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Who cares about those lowlife losers Ray Ray. Rain 3s on those hypocritical chumps when you see them in Brooklyn.

    • mydoghasfleez - Nov 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

      BTW Ray, did they invite you to their wedding?

  14. eagles512 - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    2 babies

  15. eugenesaxe1 - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    garnett’s just an immature, hypocritical, lowlife sac of fecal matter. Dunno what Pierce’s problem is, but at least he can say he had no say in being traded (even though he could’ve stopped it if he wanted to).

    • antistratfordian - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

      Garnett is generally a really nice guy off the court. On the court… he can go from genius PF to “lowlife sac of fecal matter” in seconds but that’s what KG fans love about him.

      Apparently the KG-Ray Allen “friendship” was only an on-court working relationship to Garnett. Allen probably thought they were friends off the court, but it looks like he was wrong. But that’s okay – Allen isn’t missing out on anything.

  16. pbtunpaidwriter - Nov 10, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    All you Ray Allen haters say what you want. At the end of the day, Ray’s very classy and does things the right way.

    Unfortunately, that can’t be said about KG and Pierce…ESPECIALLY KG.

  17. metalhead65 - Nov 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    the celtics worked with kg and Pierce so they could end their careers on a contender they just did not walk out when they still had a chance for 1 last run. the celtics decided after last season to rebuild and the best way to do that was get rid of the last of the big 3. but they did not just dump pierce or get garnett to waive his no trade and ship him to toronto or some other team. they got to choose because of their loyalty. allen looked out for himself which is fine but acts like he had no choice the other guys should be happy he went to their bitter rivals. get over yourself ray you know what you did so deal with the consequences.

  18. sdeberg - Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Kids…these people make millions of dollars, playing a game, for a ling. Whatever & whenever they want to engage in drama, comedy – whatever. We’re paying them these idiot amounts of $ – for playing a f-ing game. I guess they get to choose when, where, why & how they talk to each other. Other things to worry about. Yes – I took the time to comment – because this is all so trivial…but I love sports. But, now going back to fundraising for HIV and environmental causes…things that are important.

  19. pastabelly - Nov 11, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    I guess nobody here understands that the Celtics were not in rebuilding mode in 2012-2013 and wanted Allen back. In 2013-2014, KG and Pierce left with the blessing of the Celtics. That’s why Allen is not getting a pass from KG and many Celts fans.

  20. dublindemonszfl - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Why does everyone think Kevin Garnet is some great guy? He’s not, he nothing but foul mouthed athlete. He adds nothing to a community. There’s nothing special about the person, he’s just a basketball playing punk.

  21. kmike82 - Nov 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    You know what else they haven’t done? Won a championship

  22. tomalston - Nov 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    It’s still about loyalty. Jackie Robinson retired from baseball rather than play for his team’s rival. Ray Allen chose to play for the team his team hated the most. Pierce convinced KG because he wanted to finish his career with KG. Ainge would have either waived Pierce or just traded him had he had the chance. KG had stated that he didn’t want to play without Pierce. I liked Ray Allen’s game since he came into the league, but now I refuse to even watch the movie He Got Game because Ray is in it. i realize that it’s a business but I feel Ray is just like Danny Ainge–selfish. That’s my opinion. I no longer care what the Celtics do because of Ainge’s treatment of Paul Pierce. If I had a preference for winning this year it would be Indiana(because of Larry Bird) Brooklyn(because of Paul Pierce), Clippers(because of Doc & Chris Paul who is a product of the same college that I am and a close relative of 1 of my fraternity brothers from Wake Forest & the city of Winston-Salem) I also know that my lack of respect for Ray Allen means nothing outside of my world. Sports these days are just a business with a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who probably would not have survived with the rules I grew up with still in place. I remember watching Chamberlain being frustrated year after year by Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Silas & the rest of the Celtics when I hated the Celtics. didn’t have a team then, just a Chamberlain fan until he retired.

  23. - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:58 AM

    Well yeah, they should patch things up between themselves…It’s not like Allen pushed his way out…He had no choice since the Celtics didn’t really make his future clear to him…Had to do what was best for himself and his family/career.

  24. 1historian - Nov 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    More than ever pro sports is a business. You make your decisions based on your own self-interest.

    Allen felt he had a better chance to win another ring if he went to Miami. He was also tired of seeing his name come up in trade talk so frequently. He owed nothing to the Celtics, no matter what Garnett or Pierce said.

    Meanwhile – the Celts are rebuilding from ground level. They’ve got a scrappy young team with a rookie coach and they’re all growing together.

    Over the next 5 years they have 9 1st round draft choices, including an almost certain lottery pick in next year’s draft, reputed to be one of the deepest in years. Next year’s free agent crop looks promising too.

    Meanwhile – if Jersey does not win a title within the next 2 years – they LOSE. They look upon the addition of Pierce and Garnett as the final pieces of the puzzle, but within 2 years P&G will be over the hill, if they are not already so.

    I look for the Celts to be in the playoffs after the 2014-2015 season, and the year after they’ll go pretty deep.

    • kissyoursorrybooty - Nov 17, 2013 at 6:12 PM

      It’s Brooklyn bro, not Jersey.

  25. waltcoogan - Jan 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    No, Pierce and Garnett have not been hypocritical. The difference is that Danny Ainge traded them and wanted to trade them, whereas Ray Allen left as a free agent even though the Celtics wanted him back.

    That said, I would have been over Allen leaving by now.

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