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Roy Hibbert doesn’t like Andre Drummond anymore

Nov 7, 2013, 4:38 PM EDT

Roy Hibbert, Andre Drummond

Roy Hibbert has been an All-Star. He’d probably be a U.S. Olympian if he were allowed to be. He’s one of the top players on one of the NBA’s top teams.

He’s what Andre Drummond wanted to be.

So how does Drummond go about rising to that stature?

Well, he worked on his conditioning so he could play more (37 minutes per game this season). He’s getting more comfortable with the ball in his hands. He’s defending more aggressively and more soundly within a team concept.

In time, Drummond will get there, it seems.

Until then, Drummond is doing everything possible to bridge the gap, perhaps learning from the Pistons’ two biggest offseason acquisitions.

The Pistons made Josh Smith their most highly paid player and Brandon Jennings their point guard, putting two players known to play with an edge into leadership positions. If the Pistons-Pacers game Tuesday is any indication, their influence is rubbing off on Drummond.

Pacers Center Roy Hibbert, via Terry Foster of The Detroit News:

“To tell you the truth I was a fan of his until tonight,” Hibbert said Tuesday. “He is a real good prospect, but it seemed like he was running his mouth a little bit tonight. He has a tremendous future, but I was a fan of his. I thought he was supposed to have a breakout year this year. Best of luck to him. He can dunk the ball real well and he can block shots and he can rebound. He is going to have a bright future — but I was a fan of his.”

Hibbert doesn’t like yapping on the court. Drummond knows that and admits to trying to agitate him. It was nothing personal. He was simply doing his job and does not care that his fan club lost a member.

“If I lost a fan, I can’t be mad about it,” Drummond said. “If he complained about me talking, that is part of the game. I’m doing what I can do to get in his head, and it obviously worked because he noticed. So I was just trying to play my game and get into his.”

By saying he doesn’t like Drummond, Hibbert is letting Drummond win – at least to some degree. Hibbert outplayed Drummond in that game, a Pacers win, but maybe the gap between the two would have been wider had Drummond not spoken up.

Knowing he bothered Hibbert will only keep Drummond on this track. Foster:

“My goal was to not make it easy for him,” Drummond said. “It was to make it harder to get his shots, like it will throughout the season. The jump hook I tried to bang him to get him off his spot — that is what we worked on in practice. If he is mad about that, then he needs to get used to it.”

The Pistons and Pacers next play Dec. 16. I wouldn’t be surprised if Drummond has lost a few more fans on opposing teams – and gained more in Detroit – by then. He seems set on defending physically and verbally, a combination that should make the Pistons better, though less liked.

  1. antistratfordian - Nov 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    “To tell you the truth I was a fan of his until tonight,” Hibbert said Tuesday. “He is a real good prospect, but it seemed like he was running his mouth a little bit tonight.

    Oh, how ironic! A dude with a runny mouth complaining about another player running his mouth. Hibbert is one of the most pretentious players in the league. He is unjustifiably arrogant. And while he is averaging 5 blocks, overall his game has regressed yet again.

    • bougin89 - Nov 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM

      “Oh, how ironic! A dude with a runny mouth complaining about another player running his mouth. Hibbert is one of the most pretentious players in the league. He is unjustifiably arrogant. And while he is averaging 5 blocks, overall his game has regressed yet again.”

      I’m sure everyone appreciates your very unbiased opinion here /sarcasm

      Everyone should be as humble as your boy Dwyane Wade..

      • kinggw - Nov 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM

        Dwyane Wade is a three time champ, 9 time all star, former Finals MVP, and a surefire Hall of Famer. He’s earned the right to be a bit arrogant. Hibbert and the rest of the suddenly talkative Pacers, not so much.

      • bougin89 - Nov 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM

        Haha. I think most professional athletes are arrogant. Just like most celebrities that are worshipped like gods. I just think it’s foolish for calling out one as “running his mouth” just because he was asked a question and he answered how he felt. Is Hibbert arrogant? Probably, but so is 80% of everyone in the NBA. Note-that’s probably an extremely conservative guess.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM

        There is definitely nothing biased about saying Hibbert is arrogant and as salty as a sailor. If you disagree it is only because you haven’t been paying attention. The guy has a mouth on him and thinks quite highly of himself – this is not news.

      • bougin89 - Nov 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        He’s more arrogant than any other professional athlete? Why? Because he hasn’t won a ring yet?

        Not 1…Not 2…Not 3…Not 4…

        You’re not biased?

      • antistratfordian - Nov 7, 2013 at 11:30 PM

        Read what I said originally – “unjustifiably arrogant” and “pretentious.”

        LeBron James can say whatever he wants – it’s like if Jordan said it. But Roy Hibbert? No. He will get called out, like I am doing here.

      • bougin89 - Nov 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        Because he stated his goal is to be the DPoY he is arrogant? He was asked a question about Drummond and said he wasn’t a fan of his trash talking, somehow that makes him arrogant? How is that being arrogant?

        Read what I replied above:

        “He’s more arrogant than any other professional athlete? Why?”

      • antistratfordian - Nov 8, 2013 at 6:28 PM

        This is not just about Hibbert today – he was whining about not winning the DPoY last year. He claimed the media didn’t watch the games and if they did he would’ve won the award.

        And various things he’s said over the years – he also has some superiority complex in claiming that the Pacers were created “the right way” as opposed to Miami. In any case, yes he’s overtly arrogant sometimes – most star athletes are in some way – but he, more than other players, has less reason to be.

      • bougin89 - Nov 11, 2013 at 9:46 AM

        Yeah, he should only say things like “All the people that were rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today.”

        IF he would say things like that then he would be way less arrogant and you would be unbiased. Unfortunately, neither are true.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 11, 2013 at 2:53 PM

        If Hibbert, or anyone, said that under similar circumstances – being cornered under unprecedented assault – we could hardly blame him. It is completely understandable for a man to defend himself in that situation. A lot of athletes would’ve completely cracked so it’s a miracle he didn’t say something far worse.

        But crying about the media not giving you an award is far more unbecoming.

      • bougin89 - Nov 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM

        Now that is laughable.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM

        “If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they’ll kill you.” – Oscar Wilde

        Job done.

      • bougin89 - Nov 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        In a bizarro world where only your opinion matters, you would be correct.

      • bougin89 - Nov 8, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        Also, this is another instance of hypocrisy. Lebron before he won his titles was more arrogant than anyone but you will blindly look the other way because you are biased.

        I don’t have a problem with athletes sounding “arrogant” because most of them are cut from the same cloth mentally.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 8, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        That isn’t quite accurate. LeBron was actually criticized in Cleveland for not being arrogant enough – for nothing being selfish enough – for not wanting to grab that “best player” title and hold on for dear life. He’s always contrasted with Kobe – and Kobe would say very confident things in the press, and LeBron wouldn’t, and people said that proved LeBron wasn’t a “killer” – Jordan and Kobe would have no problem talking themselves up, saying they were unstoppable – but LeBron never did that so that made him “soft.”

        But then LeBron goes to Miami and wins two rings and now he leisurely calls himself the best player in the game (something he didn’t really do in Cleveland), and even says that his goal is to be the greatest player in history, and he’s thought of as more humble NOW than he was THEN!!

        In any case, LeBron is extraordinarily great – how is anyone going to have a problem with him if he hints at that?

        Hibbert, on the other hand, is not even very good yet still overtly arrogant. You can see how this would rub people the wrong way – obviously more so than something narcissistic from LeBron or Kobe.

      • bougin89 - Nov 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM

        “That isn’t quite accurate. LeBron was actually criticized in Cleveland for not being arrogant enough – for nothing being selfish enough – for not wanting to grab that “best player” title and hold on for dear life.”

        This isn’t accurate at all, it’s only your opinion and you’re using it as fact. He wasn’t exactly “humble” in his Cleveland years or his first year in Miami. What did his tattoo say again? I don’t even blame Lebron for not being humble or being arrogant. He’s been worshiped like a god since he was in 8th grade(or before). I would think most people would act like him if they were put in his shoes. I probably would but I wouldn’t give him a pass while calling someone else out for being arrogant. Winning doesn’t justify being arrogant, arrogance is arrogance.

        “and he’s thought of as more humble NOW than he was THEN!!”

        By you?

        “Hibbert, on the other hand, is not even very good yet still overtly arrogant.”

        Another one of your opinions with no substance. I would actually agree that Hibbert probably is arrogant but arrogant in the same way Lebron and most other NBA players are.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 13, 2013 at 5:38 PM

        “He wasn’t exactly ‘humble’ in his Cleveland years or his first year in Miami. What did his tattoo say again?”

        You’re confusing a few things here… primarily your interpretation of his behavior and his words. Yes, the tattoo he got when he was in high school – while a Cav he regretted getting it. His dancing around and doing all sorts of flashy things led people to believe that he was very arrogant, etc. I get that.

        But my point is that he never talked about himself as the greatest anything, or even as the best player in the league, while he was in Cleveland. And he WAS criticized for not tooting his own horn like Kobe does – that is a fact, not an opinion. LeBron didn’t start talking about himself as the best player in the league, or a top all time player, until he won in Miami.

        “I would actually agree that Hibbert probably is arrogant but arrogant in the same way Lebron and most other NBA players are.”

        Hibbert has no right to be arrogant in the same way LeBron is arrogant – if he is then I’d say that makes him MORE self absorbed because Hibbert has much less ability and hasn’t accomplished anything.

      • bougin89 - Nov 14, 2013 at 4:06 PM

        “Hibbert has no right to be arrogant in the same way LeBron is arrogant”

        Comical and in no way truthful.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 14, 2013 at 4:53 PM

        You can’t be Matt Barnes and strut around like you’re Michael Jordan. The public won’t let you get away with that. Do you appreciate why? Social mores.

        It is acceptable for accomplished players like Kobe and LeBron and Dirk and Duncan to say certain things. It is unacceptable for a player like Hibbert to say the same things.

    • vi3tguy415 - Nov 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      too much respect for dwade there. hes a suckout. was in his prime and begged to team up with 2 other super stars to get rings. anyone superstar can do that but they chose not to. on top of your game, had your own team, and asked other good players to join you? then lost your “own” team as well. wow. that’s just a slap in the face. how can he lives with that? again. just a sucker

      • antistratfordian - Nov 7, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        Wade had already won a ring on his own, putting up arguably the greatest finals performance in history. He didn’t have to prove anything after that.

        Wade of age 30+ just did what Magic Johnson did – adjust his game to accommodate another hall of fame player in order to win and have fun doing it. Wade’s leadership in this regard is one of the main reasons why Miami has been so successful – he set the example of sacrifice that is absolutely necessary. Look at the Lakers last year – that’s what happens when stars don’t want to sacrifice – a complete disaster.

      • vi3tguy415 - Nov 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM

        You just don’t ask other guys to come to ur team knowing he’s better than u. Knowing u will give up ur own team. That’s like no self pride. Do u know what that is???

      • kb2408 - Nov 7, 2013 at 11:06 PM

        @anti…Wade had one of the greatest performances because the refs decided to put him on the line like 30 times a game. I’m only slightly exaggerating, maybe it was only 25.

  2. adamsjohn714 - Nov 7, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Hibbert wishes he was as good as drummond.

    • bougin89 - Nov 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

      Drummond has the physical tools to be exceptional. He is the opposite of Hibbert, who came into the league(and moreso Georgetown) as a horrible athlete. That being said Hibbert is much more valuable right now than Drummond is.

      If you want to discuss who has more potential that isn’t even a debate.

      • adamsjohn714 - Nov 8, 2013 at 1:03 AM

        Bougin… I’d like do discuss Drummond being a better scorer, more efficient, better rebounder, etc. You know, basketball stuff. I wouldn’t like to discuss whether Drummond has Paul George and David West on his team to cover for him mediocre play…

      • bougin89 - Nov 8, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        Haha. For you being a guy that most often times falls in love with one dimensional players due to efficiency ratings it’s not surprising you dislike Hibbert. I’ve yet to see you comment on how a player actually impacts a game.

        Neither player is remotely close to a dominant offensive player, if Hibbert converted 1 more of his fg attempts per game would you be calling him an outstanding offensive player?

        Hibbert is elite at controlling the paint on the defensive end. He is the anchor of arguably the best defense in the league. The Pacers would be worse if they traded Hibbert for Drummond because Drummond couldn’t do that. Again, he’s not as valuable as Hibbert.

    • lionsplayoffs - Nov 7, 2013 at 10:30 PM

      The only thing Hibbert has on Drummond right now is the blocked shots and not quite as horrible of a free throw percentage. Drummond’s got him everywhere else.

  3. apkyletexas - Nov 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Bad Boys part III? Could be fun…

  4. thebigcaptain2011 - Nov 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    His reason for not liking him is ridiculous. I’ve seen Hibbert do plenty of talking, especially in that Heat series. Just say you don’t like him because you just don’t like him and let’s all move on.

  5. lionsplayoffs - Nov 7, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    There isn’t much of a gap between Hibbert and Drummond at all. Just a little bit of polish. Drummond will be dunking on Hibbert’s head very soon.

    • mdr127 - Nov 7, 2013 at 11:11 PM

      Lmao. NO ONE will be dunking over Hibbert’s head, let alone “I have potential” Drummond.

  6. mdr127 - Nov 7, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    It’s not arrogance if your play backs up the confidence you portray. Hibbert is the best defender in the game… I’d say he backs up his words. Drummond can keep his mouth shut until he does something worth noticing.

  7. pistolpete0903 - Nov 7, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Don’t want to jump the gun here; but this has the all the makings of a nice inter-division rivalry. Had missed much of it post the Malice at the palace
    The Detroit front-line should create problems for all big men; Hibbert knows it

    • gostlcards5 - Nov 8, 2013 at 2:08 PM

      Totally agree, pete. I would love to see this rivalry get back to something substantial as well, as long as it doesn’t become “Malice at the Palace” 2.

      That whole first incident still ticks me off, because it ruined Reggie Miller’s last chance to play for a true contending team. Another issue like that would cripple the Pacers franchise for another 4-6 years.

      • pistolpete0903 - Nov 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM

        Cards fan,
        The most infuriating part about the incident was the season long suspension of MWP (erstwhile Artest). He was a knuckle head admitted; but to first get hammered by Wallace and then abused by the crowd. I am pretty mild mannered, and I ain’t sure if I would have reacted differently.
        That Pacers squad was legit with a young Jermaine O’Neal, great defense.

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