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Ridiculous rumors: No, Kyrie’s not going to New York in two years; Kevin Martin not mad at OKC

Nov 4, 2013, 10:31 PM EDT

Kyrie Irving AP

One of the first words of advice I got from a boss when we started ProBasketballTalk was to write about what people are talking about. Even if they are talking about something stupid.

Which brings us to two stories working their way around the Web Monday: The idea that Kyrie Irving could bolt for New York in a couple years, and that Kevin Martin took a shot at Kevin Durant and the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Both are just steaming piles of uncastrated male cow manure.

Let’s start with Irving, because that is the worse of the two. The Cavaliers are off to a 2-2 start, now this shows up from Mitch Lawrence of the New York Daily News (via Eye On Basketball):

Is Cleveland, which is building around Irving with a young team and perhaps Andrew Bynum — if his knees manage to hold up — headed for another round of heartbreak? There’s long been talk that Irving, a West Orange, N.J., product, wants to come home and play for the Knicks.

The earliest he can leave Cleveland is July 2016, after playing this season and the next two seasons for the Cavs. It’s down the road, but it’s not very difficult to imagine a scenario with Irving ending up in the Garden.

No. Not going to happen. Not in 2016 anyway. That’s not a pipe dream, that’s a Twin Peaks run-it-in-reverse dream.

Kyrie Irving is on his rookie deal and next summer he will get a max contract extension offer from the Cavaliers — and he will sign it. If you’ve followed the NBA over the years you know that the first chance a rookie gets at a max contract extension he takes it because that is “set your family up for generations” money and you don’t risk walking away from that. Before you compare Irving to LeBron James remember LeBron signed an extension after his rookie deal (with an out after three years, which he used).

But let’s play the game of New York exceptionalism and say Irving does care about being a Knick. Well, he would have to play the next two seasons at his rookie salary rate — leaving a lot of money on the table — to get out. That would be two seasons of potential injury (and he has some history there) without the guarantee of a huge payday at the end of it. If it sounds rare, it’s more than that — no elite NBA guy on a rookie deal has ever done it. None. Zero.

Not going to happen.

Now lets move on to Kevin Martin, who made an innocuous comment.

Some have construed that as some kind of shot at Oklahoma City.

No. First off Martin plays with the guy leading the NBA in scoring (at least going into Monday night) in Kevin Love. Second, ever since he left OKC he has nothing but positive things to say about the team and experience. He’s been the model of the diplomatic former teammate.

Martin played on other teams as well; he knows what it’s like to be on a team that’s not fun, now he’s having fun. That’s it. No dig at Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook (the latter being the guy that holds the ball).

Nothing to see here, just move along.

  1. kingwithringz - Nov 4, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    He meant we’re taking it one game at a time, no one’s trying to be the leading scorer.

  2. detectivejimmymcnulty - Nov 4, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    I agree that he’ll sign his max deal asap. Kyrie hasn’t been the poster boy for durability so signing that contract should be priority #1.

    As for Martin, could that Harden deal have turned out any worse? Martin was one and done and the Toronto pick ended way later than expected in a poor draft. Now I haven’t watched OKC at all this season, so maybe Lamb will help them save face.

  3. antistratfordian - Nov 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Hmmm. Seems like a pretty obvious dig at former teammates who wanted to lead the league in scoring – whoever they were.

    Of course he’s having fun in Minnesota, he’s already had a 30 point night for the Wolves in just his 3rd outing; he didn’t do that at all in Oklahoma City. Three out of Martin’s first four games have been 20+ scoring efforts for him – so he must be having a blast, being a scorer and all.

  4. johngalt1783 - Nov 4, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Add to the list of ridiculous rumors. Masai trading for Nash.

    • 00maltliquor - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:04 AM

      I heard about that one this morning. Sounds way too good to be true. But I did get excited though.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 5, 2013 at 5:42 AM

        Needed to strike while Colangelo still held the reins.

      • therealhtj - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        You realize you’d be taking back likely worse contracts and sending away draft picks?

  5. rickyspanish - Nov 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Saying these rumors are ridiculous is kind of ridiculous itself.

    A young guy wanting to play in America’s most recognizable that also happens to be his hometown isn’t crazy. Cleveland isn’t a bad place, but for a rich young person, New York has way more to offer.

    • Kevin S. - Nov 5, 2013 at 5:44 AM

      Wanting is one thing. Leaving a $90 million extension on the table for two years to free yourself up to leave when you already have something of an injury history is another thing entirely.

  6. 00maltliquor - Nov 4, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    Irving to MIA 2016. Book it.

  7. pike573 - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Uh, that does sound like a dig at OKC

  8. rgledz - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Ya, NY has way more to offer…..like a perpetually losing team with a super diva star player who demands attention at all times. What a treat that would be.

    • detroitbasketballfan - Nov 5, 2013 at 7:36 AM

      And cleveland has won anything?

    • cruzan80 - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:17 AM

      Right…because Cleveland is the mecca of championships.

  9. kingtotz - Nov 5, 2013 at 2:40 AM

    i’m sure it is not a shot at OKC. Which team did KMartin last play? LOL

  10. watermelon1 - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    If you don’t think that Kevin Martin was taking a shot at OKC… You’re blind.

    And clearly you were taking a shot at Russell Westbrook. U mad bro?

  11. redryder522 - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Why is this a ridiculous rumor ? Why wouldnt you wanna play in the biggest market? Why wouldnt you wanna play in the most famous arena? Over cleveland cmon man every knicks rumor you hate you must really hate the knicks …new york or cleveland what would you really pick silly to even.ask.

    • Kurt Helin - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM

      Did you read the post? Apparently not.

  12. cruzan80 - Nov 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Predicting the future is much more “ridiculous” than a 24…25 year superstar leaving Cleveland & head to New York (his hometown)…..ijs.

    • Kevin S. - Nov 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      Stop ignoring the contract security issues. Irving can lock himself into a deal that starts at somewhere between $14-16 million (depending on the cap increases) lasting three to five years (depending on his desire for security versus flexibility) with 7.5% annual increases. He can do that next summer. To get to New York, not only would he have to wait an additional two years before he could sign with the Knicks (if he tried in RFA, Cleveland would match), he’d have to play for a $9.2 million QO before being able to sign a deal with smaller raises and a shorter span. No player, when presented with a maximum extension coming off his rookie contract, has EVER elected to instead ride it out for two years to get to unrestricted free agency. Kyrie’s not about to become the first.

      And for the record, Cleveland’s future looks a LOT brighter than New York’s. Two championships over forty years ago don’t change that.

      • cruzan80 - Nov 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

        Not ignoring the “contract security” at all….but I’m also aware that it isnt 1995 anymore & players make more money off the court more han ever now. The NBA contract no longer holds the same weight it did in the 80’s & 90’s. Especially if your leaving a market like Cleveland for a market like NY, LA or Miami. The fact is Amare & Chandler’s contracts will be off the books (Melo assuming Melo resigns next summer) in 2016 which will put them is position to sign a multiple big name players to pair with a 32 year old Anthony. To assume that this kid who is a New York native will without a doubt resign with the Cavaliers over the Knicks simply because of the contract he can get from the Cavs next season is kinda nieve. I’m not saying he IS going to NY but I definitey dont view a contract form the Cavs being the hammer that nails him to Cleveland.

        And for the record, Two championships over forty years still looks a LOT better than ZERO over 40 years.

      • cruzan80 - Nov 5, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        Not ignoring the “contract security” at all….but I’m also aware that it isnt 1995 anymore & players make more money off the court more han ever now. The NBA contract no longer holds the same weight it did in the 80′s & 90′s. Especially if your leaving a market like Cleveland for a market like NY, LA or Miami. The fact is Amare & Chandler’s contracts will be off the books (Melo assuming Melo resigns next summer) in 2016 which will put them is position to sign a multiple big name players to pair with a 32 year old Anthony. To assume that this kid who is a New York native will without a doubt resign with the Cavaliers over the Knicks simply because of the contract he can get from the Cavs next season is kinda naive. I’m not saying he IS going to NY but I definitely don’t view a contract form the Cavs being the hammer that nails him to Cleveland.

        And for the record, Two championships over forty years still looks a LOT better than ZERO over 40 years.

      • hbdbrowns33 - Nov 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM

        You are right about some players making just as much or more money off the court but tell me, how many Knicks players have national commercials and ad campaigns? When was the last time Melo had his own commercial? If you’re a big time player you’re going to make money regardless of where you play. Kyrie is not going anywhere in the near future.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:45 PM

        Stop it. Just stop it. It’s absolutely insane. There is absolutely no precedent whatsover of a player doing what you’re talking about, because no player capable of garnering a max offer from his current team coming off his rookie deal has ever turned it down. Yes, the Bird Rights a team has don’t hold as much weight now for a UFA, but nobody, when faced with the ability to lock themselves in to a contract worth $70-$90 million instead signs a one-year tender for $9 million. Nobody is going to risk that kind of security just to get to the team he grew up on. RFA keeps max-level players with their teams into their second contract. He’ll have two opportunities to re-sign with the Cavs before the Knicks (or any other team) gets a crack at him.

        Besides, does anybody really expect James Dolan to let whichever puppet GM he has at the moment roll the cap space they clear in 2015 over into 2016?

      • Kevin S. - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:54 PM

        No, championships that occurred more than 40 years ago pretty much have no relevance today. What a sad and pathetic gasp that is. In terms of actual, relevant history, the Knicks are barely top ten in the league.

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