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PBT Extra: What’s with all the early upsets? Who is legit on these teams?

Oct 31, 2013, 7:41 PM EDT

It’s been a funky, upset-heavy opening to the NBA season: Philly over Miami, the Lakers over the Clippers and the Suns won their opener as well. What is going on?

Matt Stroup of Rotoworld and I talk if these teams can keep it up, and what players impressed us on the first couple nights of the season — yes, Michael Carter-Williams makes the list.

We also talk Kevin Durant and the pressure on him with Russell Westbrook out.

  1. tcclark - Oct 31, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    “Philly over Miami, the Lakers over the Lakers and the Suns won their opener as well.”

    Typical David Stern. The Lakers always get advantages. Now they don’t even have to play other teams. They’ll be 82-82 and set the record for most wins and most losses in a season, giving themselves the #1 seed in the playoffs and the #1 draft pick. This proves the NBA is rigged.

  2. JHathwell - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    Quit being such a hater. It only makes sense that Kobe would lose, even when he wins. Typical of the anti-Kobe sentiment that runs rampant in NBA circles.

    The guy never gets any credit!

    • antistratfordian - Nov 1, 2013 at 4:38 AM

      Kobe gets too much credit, imo. But to each his own.

      • JHathwell - Nov 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM

        How much credit would you give to a 5 time world champion, former MVP, 17 time all-star who is setting historical precedents for longevity from the guard position?

        I mean, I’m just curious.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 1, 2013 at 4:35 PM

        You have to remember that he was a sidekick for half of his career so he’s only done the heavy lifting for the last 8 years. Consider also that he was a bench player for his first two seasons. You can see that the “precedent” for his longevity is overstated. It’s not like he was starting and carrying a team for 17 seasons.

        5 time champion? He deserves more credit than Derek Fisher but less than Phil Jackson. Shaq/Gasol deserve slightly more credit than Kobe from a player perspective.

      • JHathwell - Nov 1, 2013 at 5:18 PM

        This is the insane ramblings of an obvious Kobe hater.

        Sorry bub, can’t take you seriously.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 1, 2013 at 7:40 PM

        “insane ramblings”….?? Delusional Kobe fans. You must be the type of Kobe fan that argues that 45% is “basically the same” as 50%.

      • JHathwell - Nov 1, 2013 at 7:54 PM

        Anyone who thinks Pau Gasol is more responsible than Kobe for those titles is in fact insane, especially when also saying Kobe was somehow Shaq’s sidekick AND Pau’s. You can’t have it both ways, brother. Kobe is the 2 time Finals MVP, not Pau

        Pau has been an awesome Tonto but let’s not go calling him Kemosabe.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 1, 2013 at 8:21 PM

        SOMEHOW Shaq’s sidekick? What world do you live in? Are you Vanessa Bryant? Kobe even referred to himself as Shaq’s sidekick – that’s why he wanted Shaq to go – he was tired of it.

        Pau Gasol led the last two championship Lakers teams in Win Share. Shaq led the previous three championship Lakers teams in Win Share.

      • JHathwell - Nov 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM

        Yeah, you took that completely out of context.

        And you’re positing that Pau was responsible for the titles because of win share?

        Word?

      • antistratfordian - Nov 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        I’m posting that Pau led those Lakers in Win Share the same way that Jordan led all of his Bulls championship teams in Win Share, the same way Shaq led all of his Lakers championship teams in Win Share, and the same way that LeBron has led all of his Heat championship teams in Win Share.

        You can come up with your own conclusions about responsibility.

      • JHathwell - Nov 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM

        Or I could not waste my time on a crackpot, Kobe-hating kid?

      • antistratfordian - Nov 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM

        Or you can open your eyes. You will come around eventually – I’m not saying anything outrageous.

      • JHathwell - Nov 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM

        What about Rick Fox, Brain Shaw and Robert Horry? More or less than those guys?

      • antistratfordian - Nov 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM

        More than those guys. Less than Phil Jackson and Shaq.

  3. captainwisdom8888 - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    The 76ers are going to add 2 first round selections next year in what is hailed as the best draft class in 10 years. When you add these 2 young guys to the core of Nerlens Noel, Michael Carter Williams, Thaddeus Young, and Evan Turner, than that might translate into one of the best young teams in the NBA in a few seasons.

    If Brett Brown continues to turn a mediocre team into a competitive force, exceeding expectations, than the Sixers might actually lure some top-flight talent to come play for a resurgent Philly squad. They have ALOT of cap space, and there will be some very interesting free agent options next year.

    • psubeerman21 - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      Young should be traded. He is young and has manageable contract, but he is more of a pure athlete than a basketball player. He doesn’t have a low post game and a lot of his value comes from extending plays/rebounding. I can see him moved for an expiring contract/draft pick.

  4. klownboy - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    It’s early guys, relax lol. Things will more than likely round out to what we’d all expect by the All-Star break. Remember, the NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint.
    http://wp.me/p1gCK6-KY

  5. pfic15 - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    2 games into the season……

  6. JHathwell - Nov 3, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Dude, you are a nut.

    Pau Gasol himself doesn’t think he’s more responsible for the Lakers’ titles than Kobe. Why should anyone else?

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