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Report: Lakers have begun contract extension talks with Kobe Bryant

Oct 26, 2013, 8:00 AM EDT

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Kobe Bryant is in the final year of his current deal with the Lakers, and he would become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2014 if nothing is done to retain his services before then.

Of course, no one believes that Bryant will finish his career in anything other than a Lakers jersey.

Bryant has said many times that he considers himself a Laker for life, and the team is in the early stages of taking the steps necessary to ensure his contract doesn’t become the focal point of some kind of drama in what will be such a critical offseason for the future of the franchise.

From Ramona Shelburne of ESPN Los Angeles:

Los Angeles Lakers executive vice president of basketball operations Jim Buss said Friday that the team has started talks with Bryant’s representative on a contract extension for the five-time NBA champion and fully expects a new deal to be completed before the star guard can become a free agent on July 1, 2014.

“I want to put an end to any speculation that we would allow Kobe to become a free agent,” Buss told ESPNLosAngeles.com on Friday night. “That’s not going to happen. Kobe is a top priority for us. He’s a Laker legend and always will be. I don’t think we’re done winning championships with him yet.

“[Lakers general manager] Mitch Kupchak and [Bryant's agent] Rob Pelinka have been talking, but with him being hurt, it has slowed the process some. I don’t know when it’ll get done, but I have faith in Rob and Mitch to work things out.”

As far as we know, there’s been zero credible speculation that Bryant would ever become a free agent in the true sense of those words. Even if his contract was allowed by the Lakers to expire, no one believes for a moment that Bryant would somehow become available on the open market to be hired as a mercenary in his final couple of years in the league.

But it is important for the Lakers to get this out of the way as soon as possible.

The only players under contract in Los Angeles for next season are Steve Nash and Robert Sacre, with Nick Young potentially being one more if he were to exercise his player option next summer. With L.A. looking to reload with free agent talent, the team will need to know ahead of time just how much money they’ll have to play with under the salary cap, and Bryant’s number will weigh heavily in those calculations.

There never was any question that Bryant would re-up with the Lakers following this season; the only issue was at what price. That very important dollar figure still looms large over the Lakers and what they’ll be able to do with the rest of the roster next summer, but it appears as though they’ll have the answer well before any additional free agent decisions need to be made.

  1. thomaskouns - Oct 26, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    This is a ceremonial move to appease the fan base. The franchise would be be better off to cut ties and rebuild from scratch.

    The Lakers will not attract any marquee free agents while Kobe is there because…….
    A) they get compared to him endlessly by the media
    B) he rips them in the media
    C) Lebron, Mello, Wade etc are not just going to pack up and play with a 37, 38, 39 year old Kobe who rips them in the media while he jacks up shots to move up the All Time Scoring List.

    It makes for good media stories and ‘water-cooler’ talk but won’t happen in reality.

    Dwight may be a ‘tool’ but he is representative of how most star players feel about playing with Kobe. Heck, he even threw poor old Paul Gasol under the bus repeatedly last year who helped him 2 more rings.

    • kanemoney - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:30 AM

      Disagreed. Dwight was Dwight. I would never in any way say that he represents any other player in the NBA.

      The issue is not whether to resign Kobe, the issue is at what cost. At a Tim Duncan level (10m or less) it makes sense on many levels.

      The notion of ‘jacking up shots’ is only a comment an amateur fan would make. Kobe in the last 5-10 years has been criticized for often ‘disappearing in games’ and ‘trying too hard to get others involved.’ I am not arguing that his natural tendency is to shoot in volume, often take difficult shots, etc. However the sort of anti-teammate rhetoric is absolute b s .

      People seem to continually forgot HE WON 5 RINGS. Guess what – often great players hold both themselves and others to a champion caliber level… and that’s why they win championships. Lebron called out Bosh many times last year and Bosh responded by calling himself out and stepping up (enough at least).

      It may come it different flavors, but this is true across all championship teams. A high standard and accountability are key. It’s not raw physical talent that makes elite talent, it’s a great talent with an elite mindset.

      • thomaskouns - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        Kanemoney, this ‘amateur fan’ checked to make sure and Kobe had more shot attempts than any other NBA player last year.

        Read any scouting report, read ’11 Rings’ or watch the Lakers with any frequency and all will tell you when the offense has any problems Kobe tries to take over usually with negative consequences.

        The flow of the offense disintegrates, teammates get frustrated and start jacking up any possession to ‘get theirs’, and it corrodes over team unity. Phil tried to work on this with him for years.

        Kobe is a great player but he never learned the lesson Jordan did which is why MJ won a title at 35 and Kobe will be watching the ping pong balls at the Draft Lottery at 35.

      • casualcommenter - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:54 AM

        Erm, no. Kobe has been pretty much exclusively criticized for not getting teammates involved for most of the past 5 years, and he was heavily praised late last season when he started actively getting teammates involved as a facilitator with Nash injured. There was a several game stretch in the regular season in which he averaged over 9 assists per game, which was the FIRST 4 game stretch in his career that’s happened.

        Kobe’s tendency when the going gets rough is to play hero-ball. When most of his shots go in, he’s gotten praised as clutch. When most of the shots miss, he’s gotten criticized as selfish.
        LeBron is the opposite – when the going gets rough, he’s reluctant to play hero-ball. When he passes the ball to teammates and they make their shots, he’s gotten praised as unselfish/making teammates better.
        When his teammates miss shots, he’s been criticized as shying from the moment/disappearing.

        Kobe hasn’t been accused of deferring to any teammate since Shaq left. The Shaq-Kobe rift was largely because Kobe was tired of deferring to Shaq.

      • therealhtj - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        Realistic Laker fans and Kobe Pole-Riders alike (although they won’t admit it) already know the cold hard truth. The Buss Trust Fund Babies didn’t have courage enough to do what was necessary to keep this franchise relevant in the near and long-term. This time next year when Dwight Howard returns to his previous form and Kobe is in even greater decline (despite 5 rings and a relentless work ethic, but feel free to bring that up again pole riders), you’ll all wish Kobe was amnestied and Dwight retained. I already do.

        The only hope this franchise has now is for Kobe to basically sit most of the year (while collecting 30 mil) and the team tanks into a great lottery pick who then pans out into at least a steady, all-star caliber talent.

        What’ll likely happen is Kobe comes back around Christmas, they get a very low playoff seed or just miss, and the resulting draft pick is maybe a solid rotation player. No marquee FA really has any interest in signing with the Lakers and Kobe and D’Antoni. Pau takes off in free agency. Nash gets streched. They may as well give Kobe a raise on a one year ~32 mil contract at that point and regroup in the summer of 2015 with another high draft pick and cap space to go after Love and Westbrook as well as a new coach.

        Any notion of Kobe getting an extension now for anything more than a 2/20ish deal is foolhardy at best. Even that’s generous at this point.

      • adamsjohn714 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        Therealhtj – There’s only one problem with your well thought out post. It doesn’t matter when Kobe returns, this Lakers team has 0 chance of making the playoffs. They simply don’t have enough good players, and the good ones they do have are old and coming off of injury filled seasons.

    • southcidal - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      A “star” player is not required. The Lakers should attempt to mimic what the Spurs have done around Duncan (who is older than Kobe) and surround him with young athletes (Leonard, Splitter, Green). Resign Gasol, add Rudy Gay and Taj Gibson to the Lakers and all of a sudden they are a contender again.

      And players who are serious about winning want to play with a guy that wants to get that #6 at all costs.

    • topdawg4ever - Oct 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM

      Excellent post, thomaskouns. Not only can the Lakers not afford to give Kobe a big contract because of the hard cap, but the main issue will be attracting an elite player or even good players to the Lakers while Kobe is still there. Kobe fans will never acknowledge how divisive and selfish he is. They have the arrogance to think that every player wants to play with Kobe, which is clearly delusional.

      • thomaskouns - Oct 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        The Lakers have absolutely ‘zero’ chance of making the playoffs.

        They made it by two games last year so how in the heck could they make it this years sans Dwight, Kobe coming off Achilles surgery and he and Nash a year older.

        Talk about ‘magical’ thinking….

    • onlyavoice - Oct 26, 2013 at 6:04 PM

      100% Correct, But You Left Out D’Antoni. None Of The Players You Mentioned Will Play For D’Antoni & The Lakers Know This.
      I Expect D’Antoni To Be Fired Right Around Christmas. Kobe Comes Back & He’s Left Out Of Any Discussion Or Finger Pointing, Then Rambis Takes Over & They Start To Play Well.
      Kobe Has Been Great, But His “My Team My Ball” Attitude Will Keep Good Players Away.

    • avb530 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM

      Thomas, everything you said is great but his name’s not Paul.

    • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      @thomaskouns – I totally agree. This is a fan move. The Lakers would be better off to start rebuilding then give him a monster contract right now.

      A) They don’t know how good Kobe will be when he comes back this year.
      B) They don’t know how good Kobe will be when the contract would start next year.
      C) Kobe can still command a franchise player contract and if he doesn’t play like one a year from now, they’re stuck with it.

      Kobe may not like it or be happy, but I think Lakers management should just sit tight and let some of the season go by first.

  2. adamsjohn714 - Oct 26, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    Being in LA, the financial obligation to Kobe is not the real strain caused by a new deal. They can handle the money. Giving him anything longer than 2 years would be a major mistake, though. They can’t afford to be tied to a decent shooting guard who isn’t going to get better.

    • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM

      @adamsjohn714 – It’s not about whether the Lakers can afford a rich contract. They can. The question is whether this is going to be in their best interest. You can only pay two players max money.

      Giving Kobe a max contract that would start next year (I can’t imagine Kobe would take anything less than a max contract) would really hurt the Lakers if Kobe regresses next year. And I hate to point this out, but even the best players significantly decline after 35.

      It’s questionable how good he’ll be this year, and even more so next year when a new contract would start.

      • adamsjohn714 - Oct 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        Oh absolutely, redbaron. He isn’t worth even half of what he’s being paid now, but my point was that the Lakers should favor high money per year on a short deal over medium money per year on a long deal. 2 years/$22 million is infinitely better than 4 years/$28 million in my eyes.

  3. 32magicman - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    I hope they wait and see how he plays post major injury before an offer is tabled. He may be damaged goods. Sad but true

  4. casualcommenter - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    Not only do the Lakers need to know how much cap will be available next year after Kobe is re-signed, but impending free agents will want to know as well. Nick Young will probably use his player option, meaning the Lakers will have $12.6 million in commitments next year with Nash, Sacre, and Young.

    How much of a paycut Kobe is willing to accept will be hugely important when it comes to attracting top-tier free agents. Remember, LeBron is in his prime took less than the max to make the Heat’s salary situation work. If Kobe demands $20+ million per year despite coming off an Achilles tear, that’s going to signal to free agents that Kobe isn’t interested in sacrificing money for wins.

    If Kobe accepts a KG/Tim Duncan-like $10 million per year, then Kobe becomes a good value signing and the Lakers would actually be able to sign a decent supporting cast, so the Lakers chances of attracting a star player looking for a chance to win would improve.

    • topdawg4ever - Oct 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      I don’t think it even matters what they give him- no high-caliber player will want to sign while Kobe is still there. You mention KG and Duncan- those are players that elite players would like to play with. They inspire team work- unlike Kobe.

  5. cbking05 - Oct 26, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Kobe is a bad muthafuker!

  6. pistolpete0903 - Oct 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    I honestly can’t see a SUPERSTAR SG/SF sign with the Lakers until Kobe is with them.
    I like Kobe’s intensity, work ethic and he has fundamental skills. Having said that, he is a poor team mate (and please don’t bring in the 5 rings, ‘ruthless’…argument). Also, please don’t point towards the whole Olympic thing (the Olympics run for less than a month).

    They c(sh)ould sign a legit big man if they do decide to extend Kobe’s contract (let’s see if they can pry ZeBo). As is Pau’s contract is up after this season, they can cut him.

  7. asimonetti88 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Awesome! Get him signed up and let’s go!

  8. rumar1989 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Thomas Kouns, Better off cutting ties, only a hater like you would say something stupid like that.
    As far as Dwight’s so-called representation of players of wanting to play with Mamba.
    You couldn’t be wrong, Kobe is well respected around the league, for what he has done
    in his career. It’s L.A. who wouldn’t want to play with greatness.

    Kanemoney: Jackupshots, if that were the case would he have had rings, Kobe is a winner remember that, quit being dum.

    AdamsJohn714: I don’t see giving him an extension will be a mistake, that’s hater talk coming from
    you, Kobe is a Laker for life. That’s the way it’s going to be, in spite of your opinion.

    32MagicMan: Maybe damage goods, sad but true. I don’t think so, you just don’t get greatness.
    For you to utter something like that out, is despicable and even terrible for you to say, shame on
    you.

    Pistolpete0903: Praise his work ethic and then you say poor teammate, well when you’re ruff on
    teammates, some will take it personally, but that’s Kobe’s way of getting to them, and making
    sure that they’re are on his level. If that was the case, the rings wouldn’t be there, and guys wouldn’t be there. But your poor teammate remark, is just part of your resentment and not fully understanding his leadership at all. You lose sight of the fact, of his accomplishments, and that’s he a true winner.
    You just gotta respect greatness, don’t have to be your favorite player, but it would be nice Pistolpete0903, that you would a least respect his accomplishments, and his status as a legend.

    • adamsjohn714 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      I don’t doubt he’ll get an extension. Believing he’s going to be good for years to come is just ludicrous. You sound like a real Kobe fanboy, though, so you probably know better. Kobe is the Best! EVER!!! RINGZZZ!!!! Try to be reasonable….

    • scalfor3 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      I hope you realize that calling everyone who slightly disagrees with you a “hater” makes you look incredibly stupid

    • 00maltliquor - Oct 26, 2013 at 12:59 PM

      You’re the man rumar1989! Get ‘em!

      • loungefly74 - Oct 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

        rumar…taking no prisoners! yeah!

    • topdawg4ever - Oct 26, 2013 at 1:02 PM

      rumar1989- We all respect his accomplishments. That doesn’t mean we should be blind to his major problems. The team is what matters- not Kobe. The Lakers need to rebuild. No way will they attract an elite player when Kobe is still on the team. That doesn’t make any of us haters. That makes us real basketball fans who understand the real issues facing the Lakers.

      BTW, could you manage to use some proper punctuation and grammar in your posts? Thanks.

    • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      @rumar1989 – You’re spewing on a bunch of people here. The reality is that Kobe was slowing down before the injury, and while he might be able to keep up a high level of play for another year or two, it’s far from certain.

      Michael Jordan was a star player for the Wizards for a little while (scoring around 22 a game his first year with them if memory serves), but he broke down very quickly. Age will do that to EVERY player. Kobe is not playing until he’s 100. Or 40 for that matter.

      The Lakers would be better off not taking the risk of signing Kobe, and do what the Celtics just did. At some point the Lakers need to say, “we’re not going to win this way”. Kobe needs to take a significant pay cut if the Lakers are going to keep him AND put a champion caliber team on the floor. I can’t imagine Kobe taking the kind of pay cut necessary for management to surround him with some star players.

  9. bucs24 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Nooooooooooooooo don’t

  10. ProBasketballPundit - Oct 26, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Hate to break it to you Lakers fans but Kobe will be a Charlotte Hornet next season. He’ll end his career where it began.

    • 00maltliquor - Oct 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      LOL keep dreaming!

    • adamsjohn714 - Oct 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      I think he might be a little bit too good for Jordan to want him on the team. MJ likes the really awful players. I’m surprised he let Mullens go.

  11. 00maltliquor - Oct 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    I love Rob Sacre but seriously, how did he secure a multi-year contract? We need all the pennies we can muster for this weak FA class. Although I hope Nick Young opts in, I want him to stick around.

    Another thing that would be great would be Steve Nash retiring after this year. I love him as a player and a person, but it’s time to call it quits.

    In a (my) perfect world, Steve Nash would retire next year, Nick Young would opt back in, The Lakers would re-up with Kobe AND Pau at 10 mil each, we pick up a very good player via the draft, and we fill in the holes with the rest of the money. Maybe go a DEN route and sign a ton of B and C+ players to go around Kobe and Pau so there will be a ton of depth. Oh, and can D’ Antoni and get Stan Van Gundy! (pipe dreams)

    All the big name FA’s are gonna re-sign with their respective teams, sorry. Going a DEN-like route with a grip of very good players would be ideal with Kobe’s 2-year span. We don’t necessarily need really young players NOW. With Kobe re-uping we are in WIN NOW mode. Youth doesn’t achieve that goal. THEN when HE decides to leave, we can re-build. Or re-up, whatever works out the best with FA’s and/or the draft class.

    I’ma check out the 2014 FA class one more time and see what would be nice pick ups that are achievable……..

  12. onbucky96 - Oct 26, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Psst. No one outside of LA, NY, Chicago, Miami, or Vegas cares.

  13. avb530 - Oct 26, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    I wonder what the “no hometown discount” means. Will he be smart like Tim Duncan and sacrifice for his team or demand $20 million and never make it out of the first round again?

    I’m guessing he gets somewhere around 3 years and 45 million with the 3rd year being a player option, if he ever wants a chance at another ring.

  14. antistratfordian - Oct 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and suggest the possibility of an older, post-injury, humbled Kobe Bryant being an improvement over the pre-injury, more obstinate and defiant Kobe Bryant. The injury may yet turn him into a better offensive player (not individually, but within an offense).

    He may be more worth additional investment now than he was a year before.

    • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM

      @antistratfordian – More wishful thinking much?

  15. mackcarrington - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    I’m going to state a fact. This is not my opinion or speculation. Just a straight fact.
    When Kobe signed his current contract, a writer or someone suggested that he take a little less money
    in order to give the team some flexibility in signing another marquee player.
    Kobe’s response was “That’s not my problem.”
    And Kobe is recently on record as saying “As a businessman, you don’t want to take a pay cut.”
    Kobe Bryant doesn’t give anyone any discounts. He is going to want a raise and not be concerned
    with leaving any money on the table for anyone else. That’s just how he is wired.
    “That’s not my problem.”

    • pbtunpaidwriter - Oct 27, 2013 at 12:19 AM

      Doesn’t want to take a pay cut lol. So he wants to make more than 30 million (not possible anymore I don’t think) and contend?

      I love Kobe but his stubbornness is a little too much at times.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 2:42 AM

      You’re missing the most important part of the “As a businessman, you don’t want to take a pay cut” quote. Here’s what he said in full:

      “As a businessman the goal is always to not take a pay cut,” Bryant said. “But …”

      • mackcarrington - Oct 27, 2013 at 3:18 AM

        @anti-: Yes, I recall that part of the quote. But it just is not very definitive.
        “But……..”?
        What can you infer from that?
        I’m a Laker fan and I wish he would take a Tim Duncan approach to his next deal.
        But at this point I don’t see Kobe doing that. He doesn’t have any history of doing something like that.
        We can only hope.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 4:26 AM

        You were trying to use the first part of the quote as definitive evidence of his unyielding stance – but the full quote is evidence of a softening stance.

        I definitely see the “but…” as a hint towards potential flexibility.

      • therealhtj - Oct 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM

        As a Lakers fan, the time to take less money has come and gone. This monstrous current contract was really the Lakers undoing and if there was any merit to his “all about the rings” mantra, he should have taken less money then.

        Taking less now isn’t any sort of discount – it’s market rate. At this stage of his career, options are limited. He won’t go to a small market that’ll pay whatever he wants and going to a big market contender (say Chicago) will require accepting a minimum deal and acquiescing to a secondary role to a bigger star. I’d wager he retires before that happens.

        To me, Kobe will always be a guy who would do anything to win – besides taking less money and not being a &*#^.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        I think you’re going to be surprised, htj.

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        @antistratfordian – Kudos! 2 smart comments I’ve seen out of the hundred or so from you.

        Kobe isn’t going to give away his bargaining leverage, and that “but…” probably signifies some flexibility. The question is how much is that “but” worth.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM

        All of my comments are equally smart – you would see that if you took your blinders off.

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 5:16 PM

        @antistratfordian – If this were a basketball game and thumbs up vs thumbs down counted, you’d be losing about 10 to 1. You live in fantasy land.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 5:51 PM

        Baskets aren’t opinions. I’m scoring points regardless of the direction of the thumbs. That’s how facts work – they remain true whether believed by 1 or believed by 100 million. So I am wholly unconcerned with popular opinion.

        And as Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. once said:

        “Negatives multiplied into each other change their sign and become positives. Hostile criticisms meeting together are often equivalent to praise, and the square of fault-finding turns out to be the same thing as eulogy.”

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 5:54 PM

        @antistratfordian – The problem is that your facts are YOUR facts. They have nothing to do with actual facts. That’s why I call you “antilogic”. Maybe I should just call you “antifactual”. The problem with people that live in their own reality and refuse to acknowledge reality, is that sooner or later life smacks them with reality.

        I just hope you come to this realization sooner rather than later for your own sake.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 6:21 PM

        “The problem is that your facts are YOUR facts. They have nothing to do with actual facts.”

        Yawn. That bored me to tears.

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM

        @antistratfordian – You had tears all right. You’re just crying because you know it’s true. You’ve said it before. Your opinion is the only one that counts. You live in your own reality antifactualian.

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM

        @antistratfordian – Out of curiosity, have you ever PLAYED basketball, or do you just quote Bill James all the time and look at stats????

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM

        Have I ever played? You could say that.

        You know in high school I was the type of guy that didn’t have to try out for the basketball team. I made it on reputation alone. It seemed like my meager reputation preceded me because I would meet people from another city and they’ve heard of me through basketball. Even dads in barbershops and such. Some random middle aged man on the street wants to talk about my upcoming season. And in football I was named the starting running back for the varsity squad as a sophomore. It’s not much, but that’s how it was for me.

        I was pretty freakishly athletic. Too freakish for my back, apparently.

        I don’t know why people assume that you’ve never played the game if you’re bullish on advanced stats… Erik Spoelstra played, LeBron James plays, Durant plays, Battier plays… they’re not afraid of new information. Anything to help them refine their game. The biggest critics seem to be fans of inefficient players.

      • redbaronx - Oct 29, 2013 at 3:03 PM

        @antistratfordian – I’m not assuming that you’ve never played because of stats. I’m assuming you’ve never played because you don’t understand age and ability factors by looking at a player and recognizing what they can and can’t do.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 4, 2013 at 2:37 AM

        Well either way you’re wrong.

      • redbaronx - Nov 4, 2013 at 6:04 PM

        @antistartfordian – Lik anyone could expect a different kind of answer from you. “You’re wrong!” Wow! What a surprise!

      • antistratfordian - Nov 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        Well in this case there isn’t a more appropriate answer – you are factually wrong. I don’t know what else to tell you.

      • redbaronx - Nov 4, 2013 at 6:25 PM

        @antistratfordian – I’ve come to expect you to say that about anything and everything. I have yet to hear you say you’re wrong about ANYTHING. Surprise, surprise!

      • redbaronx - Nov 4, 2013 at 6:25 PM

        @antistratfordian – inflexibility of thought is a very good indicator of a man that can’t think.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 4, 2013 at 6:27 PM

        look in the mirror, pal. you’re pointing your finger at me, you got three pointing back at you.

        you assumed i never played, you were wrong. there is nothing else to talk about in that regard.

      • redbaronx - Nov 6, 2013 at 2:58 PM

        @antistratfordian – We both know that’s not true. If I make an error on my posts, I admit it and I’ve done that with you twice. You never admit when you’re wrong, so you just plain lied on your last post.

        Now we both know who is the chump!

      • antistratfordian - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM

        Ugh. No. Just stop.

      • redbaronx - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM

        @antistratfordian – See? You can’t even admit it!!! You have a total lack of honesty! This is what makes you worthless. No honor or sense of right and wrong. If you had any moral characte you’d fess up!

      • antistratfordian - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:17 PM

        Yawn. Until our next confrontation.

      • redbaronx - Nov 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        @antstratfordian – There won’t be one. You’ve proven that all conversations with you are valueless. Conversing with liars and people that have no moral north holds no interest for me.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        “There won’t be one” initiates one.

        Hi! Again. Bye! Again. Until next time.

      • redbaronx - Nov 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

        @antistratfordian – Nothing you say is on the level. If you really didn’t care, you’d stop annoying me with your idiotic posts. Just shows you’re an out and out liar and attention hog.

      • antistratfordian - Nov 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM

        Boring. Until later.

      • redbaronx - Nov 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM

        See a therapist….

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM

        @antistratfordian – I did you the favor of looking up the definition of delusion for you.

        “A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence.”

        I strongly advise that you seek help.

      • therealhtj - Oct 27, 2013 at 8:44 PM

        How am I going to be surprised? You think Kobe’ll take max money in Milwaukee? Or a minimum deal in Miami?

        The only surprise left is just how much baby Buss is going to overpay to appease Kobe and his legions of blind followers. 2/40 is my guess, how much ya got?

      • loungefly74 - Oct 30, 2013 at 10:13 AM

        jezuz…this is hilarious seeing 2 fans, whom both hate the Lakers, arguing over…the Lakers.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 30, 2013 at 3:28 PM

        I love the Lakers. I don’t love Kobe.

      • loungefly74 - Nov 1, 2013 at 9:36 AM

        ahhhh. gotcha. sorry, man. that makes way more sense now. okay…you are just highly critical of Kobe, it’s not hard to be, i will give you that. i guess i look at end results…7 Finals trips during his tenure, not bad. i would be hard-pressed to think they could have done better…but who knows, its all speculation. but anyway, dude, lets be grateful for what we got!

    • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      @mackcarrington – I think Kobe MIGHT be willing to negotiate a bit and those comments are just smart on Kobe’s part (as you never want to give away your bargaining position), but at the same time I think you’re correct. Whatever Kobe might be willing to cut isn’t going to be enough by far. I can only imagine him budging slightly.

  16. mackcarrington - Oct 27, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Those of us on the outside looking in would think,”coming off of a serious injury, only
    2 or 3 years left, thinking about the future of the team, trying to attract another marquee player or two”.
    Thats the way WE look at it.
    Kobe still believes he’s going to play at the level he always has. He’s going to want to get paid accordingly.
    We all know that Kobe’s mindset is what makes him great and can be his downfall at times too.

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