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Spurs add new camouflage alternate jerseys in military salute

Oct 24, 2013, 2:06 PM EDT

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Due to the lack of shrubbery on an NBA court, I doubt a camouflage-inspired uniform will do what camouflage was originally intended to do.

But camouflage as a fashion statement in support of America’s armed forces is something pretty much everyone can get behind — and the San Antonio Spurs are going to do that this year. Thursday they unveiled their new military-inspired uniforms, which they will wear for the first time Nov. 13 against the Wizards. The new gear is part of the adidas NBA Pride Uniform Collection.

“Playing in San Antonio, we’re constantly reminded of the selflessness and courage of those that serve,” Spurs guard Danny Green said in a released statement. “We owe them a debt of gratitude and it is an honor to recognize and show support to all active and retired military members.”

As alternate uniforms go… I kind of like them. Not love, but as alternate’s go not bad (MLB’s Padres do the same thing and I like it less, for some reason I can’t explain). Of course, I liked the gray alternates the Spurs broke out last year as well, although that one seems to put me in the minority.

We’ll see what they look like in action on Nov. 13 before making any final judgments. But you have to like the sentiment behind it.

  1. nflcrimerankingscom - Oct 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    A good way to support our troops is to avoid sending them into unnecessary wars.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

      A good way to not support our troops is calling the war they’re already engaged in “unnecessary.”

      • nflcrimerankingscom - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        No, that’s just a good way to suppress public opinion. Soldiers need acceptance and appreciation for what they’ve done, especially as individuals. Not being pissed on when they come back to civilian life is a major contributor to a healthy rehab (unlike after Vietnam).

        Suppressing dissent for a war at large and supporting troops are not mutually exclusive.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:28 AM

        The anti-war contingent would be perfectly content to slander our troops if they could get away with it – but from their point of view “support the troops” has become a necessary evil.

        Here’s what the not-so-few on the left may say when you’re having a private argument about the War in Afghanistan or Iraq: “We put guns in the hands of the the dumbest Americans and they go over there and murder civilians!”

        I’ve had some variation of that said to me more than once by people who in public would identify as standard everyday Democrats. They drive Volvos (because a BMW would be too pretentious), send their kids to private school and vote for whoever wins the DNC nomination.

        The only authentic “support” they have for our troops is that want weapons out of their hands and their butts back home – actually it doesn’t even matter where in the world they end up as long as guns aren’t “in the hands of the dumbest Americans.”

      • Kurt Helin - Oct 29, 2013 at 7:31 AM

        As someone who opposed the Iraq war, for example, I would say you wildly misunderstand where we come from. I fully respect both our troops and the the job they do around the world. I do not always agree with the jobs they are given to do, but that is a matter of policy at a much higher level. You don’t blame the men and women on the ground for the decisions that come out of Washington. It’s really that simple.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 29, 2013 at 5:33 PM

        As you’re from Southern California I would’ve guessed your leanings- so your position on the war is entirely predictable – yet you probably think you took that stance based on your own conclusions.

        And I don’t know who the “we” is that you’re talking about… the anti-war contingent? But you’re not anti-war, you only opposed the Iraq war. The fashionable thing for Democrats (or like-minded peoples) to do was to denounce the Iraq War but support the Afghanistan War – though they are about the same thing, in the end. This allowed Democrats to oppose Republicans but not appear to be weak on Defense.

        And you shouldn’t attempt to speak for your own group because I know of some ardently liberal leaners who supported the Iraq War (like Thom Yorke, for example). But the true anti-war contingent opposes all wars, not just the ones they disagree with. That’s who I’m talking about, and their position on troop support has definitely changed over the decades. My father was spit on by anti-war protesters when he came back from Vietnam. One may have thought that this sentiment against the troops in general had been eradicated, but the Iraq War came around and, while no longer public, that emotional vitriol was still there in private, as I described in a previous post.

        It might be even worse now (privately – philosophically) considering that everyone who went over to Iraq/Afghanistan signed up for it, whereas in Vietnam a large number of troops were drafted.

        I would definitely call myself “liberal”, btw (if I was forced to choose a label). I am not a conservative – or anything close to that – by any means.

      • Anoesis - Oct 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        A very large percentage of those very troops would call the last two wars unnecessary. And they have. The only ones who believe endless conflict is “necessary” are those running companies that supply the Pentagon and those who own stock in those companies.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:35 AM

        Let them do that if they want to. They’re allowed to. I would not recommend that you be the first to bring that up in front of a group of war veterans. You might find yourself on the floor yelling, “b-but a very large percentage of you said they were unnecessary!!! ahhhhhhhhh!”

      • redbaronx - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:01 AM

        @antilogic – A good way to not support our troops is to put blinders on by sending them to unnecessary wars, and then not take care of them and their families when they get back.

        And I saw your comment about going in front of a group of Vets. I have news for you. There are a lot of Vets that think Iraq and Afganistan were unnecessary, but they’re too patriotic to say so for the most part. That’s why the public needs to speak out about it.

        Dwight Eisenhower spoke out about the dangers of the military/industrial complex leading us to wars, and just because we support our troops, doesn’t mean we need to create wars so that we can spend money on the companies profiting from invented wars.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:38 AM

        All of my friends and family were taken care of when they got back. So I don’t know what you’re talking about. And when you talk about putting “blinders” on and sending them to “unnecessary” wars, etc – you’re insulting their intelligence. Our troops know what they’re doing. They are aware of the situation and they’re there because they want to be there.

        So no, you don’t have news for me. You never do.

        And this is an article about the Spurs trying to honor our military men and women. Don’t come in here and s— all over it with garbage about the military-industrial complex instigating war. This is not the place for that. Say something nice about the brave men and women who are doing a job most are afraid to do, and don’t add anything else – leave it at that.

      • redbaronx - Oct 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM

        @antistratfordian – Your usual nonsense and drivel…lacking of thought.

        I say nice things about the brave men and women doing their job and, evidently, care more about their welfare then you do.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 27, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        Whatever helps you sleep at night.

      • Anoesis - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:32 AM

        anti-

        You don’t know anything about me so your claim is moronic. My circle of friends and acquaintances includes veterans from Iraq/Afghanistan all the way back to WWII (my father). I served during the Vietnam era. While celebrating our brotherhood (sisterhood, too) we don’t succumb to the illusion that a war is necessary just because some idiotic politician makes the claim it is.

        Being patriotic is fine, but a truly patriotic citizen accepts the responsibility of questioning the government instead of giving them carte blanche to settle every issue with an invasion. Unfortunately people like you seem to only possess a hammer, so naturally every problem looks like a nail.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        That’s a lot of cliches you’ve employed there. You should probably know as well as anyone that the “brotherhood” is between those who served in combat. Just being in the military doesn’t gain you proper access. Unfortunately, these days it’s common for officers to try to avoid a stint in Afghanistan/Iraq – even openly – and a line is absolutely drawn there. These men are not in the brotherhood.

        But what I’m talking about has nothing to do with patriotism or politics. Just class.

        Remember where you are. This is about the San Antonio Spurs trying to honor our military personnel with a new jersey design. Say something nice about our troops and leave it at that! If you want to start a controversy about policy, there are any number of sites you can go to where it’s appropriate – or write your senator.

        And I never said war is “necessary.” I never even said I supported these wars. The issue isn’t even about war itself, its about how you address the troops. We have a disagreement about what genuine support for them should look and feel like on an individual/personal level. Just saying that the war is “unnecessary” and implying that they’re risking their lives for no reason (or that their mates have died for no reason) is not supportive. They’ve already heard that 10,000 times from all sorts of different people – saying it again doesn’t help.

        You and I know full well that if you were tabbed to go to a Marine base in Afghanistan to address the troops directly the word “unnecessary” would never come out of your mouth. The idea that the operations they’re currently involved in are either pointless, or doing more harm than good, would never even surface. It’s easy to say it here to me, but you would not say it to guys about to go out on patrol – you know better than that.

        And my family has been defending this country with distinction since the 1800s.

      • Anoesis - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        anti-

        Nice to hear that all your “friends and family were taken care of when they got back.”

        You obviously know people in high places and got them preferred treatment because that is most certainly not the norm for the majority of troops returning from deployment. Do you even watch any news?

        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/15/veterans-affairs-does-about-face-working-ot-to-fix-benefits-backlog/

        http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/03/veterans-va-government-shutdown/2914485/

        http://www.vba.va.gov/reports/mmwr/

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/veterans-affairs-government-shutdown_n_4060538.html

        http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/11/nation/la-na-veterans-backlog-20130912

        http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-10/politics/41934907_1_veterans-claims-va-secretary-eric-k-veterans-affairs

        News from the right, left, center and even the government.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 29, 2013 at 5:44 PM

        Welcome to politics, Anoesis. Be careful, it’s a little tricky for the uninitiated.

  2. davidly - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    It makes sense with Lackland being in San Anton, but if the NBA really wants to embrace the globe, faux camies are not the way to do it. Symbolism matters and right now more than ever the American militaristic image is one that is not popular worldwide, let alone at home. The militarizing of pop culture is a sure sign of an empire in decline.

    It’s the same with the finals format: a few more flights might not seem to make a difference, but in a week where we’ve just found out that Arctic temps are the highest in 44,000 years (at least), the message it sends is so decadent and self-centered that it’s clear the NBA owners’ billionaires’ club is way out of touch.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      This guy. This is just… so very bad.

    • metalhead65 - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      as long as the rest of the world depends on U.S. aid to survive I really could give a rats ass what their opinion of this great country is. if fact if they find it so offensive every team should where a version of it all the time. speaking of flights if you don’t like it here there are planes leaving every day to other countries what is stopping you from leaving? and if those who for those who find our culture so offensive why the hell do they keep coming and try to shove their cultures which I find offensive down our throats?

      • malby65 - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:30 AM

        As a European keeping an eye on the world, as a person who has lived one year in Texas, as an inhabitant of “the rest of the world” (these are your words) I can tell you that I could give a rat’s ass about US aid. So as my country does not need yours to survive I will speak out and ask you to think twice.

        Please stop thinking the US is THE place to be. THE greatest country. This fake idea comes from the fact that America was the first western country to rise up and fight for independance. You all have been raised thinking that only in America you are ‘free’… Yeah right free! tell me about it but this is another topic.

        Trust me I know, I told you I have lived in your country.

        Don’t you realize that today’s USA is not the same as it was 60 years ago?
        Don’t you realize that your great country is losing on every aspect today (economy, jobs, healthcare, security and many more).
        Don’t you realize that the US is losing its soul?
        Don’t you realize that it is only about money, stock options and selfishness?

        I will NOT drop on my knees because Amercia saved our ass in 1944. The US are not the same country anymore. It has lost its soul and values.

        I will NOT encourage your soldiers to kill innocent people! For what reason remind me??? Oh yeah IMPOSE Democracy (that was Bush’s favourite word to justify the killings). Let me tell you this, you don’t impose democracy with bombs, you teach it to people that are ready to learn! Or was it to fight terrorism? Really? In Iraq? Come on you can’t be serious.

        Although many of your soldiers are just natural born killers, I will however encourage to support your troops. Because it is not their fault. The fault is on the people who govern (and mainly on your previous leader). The troops deserve support because they enrolled to serve the country. This is remarkable! The task they received is on the other hand despicable!

        Do you understand now what the “rest of the world” is thinking? Or do you still don’t care?

        Spurs fan forever!

      • metalhead65 - Oct 29, 2013 at 10:04 AM

        gee how will I sleep tonight? you do not name the third world country you live in but unless you provide proof that it can get by without U,S, aid then I still do not care what you or anybody else has to say. I for 1 am in all in favor of packing up our troops and closing our bases in Europe and letting you bottom feeders survive on your own. it does not matter that we saved your ass 60 years ago? if not for that you would be speaking german right now. my country has lost it’s soul? we have problems yes and most of them have to do with those people who do not need our help coming to this great country to live and trying to impose their customs and culture on us. if this is such a terrible place then stay here you are and do not come here.I am sure Texas is a much better place since you no longer live there. as for imposing democracy it is not our fault we gave them freedom and they choose to blow themselves up and then blame us for it.

    • mogogo1 - Oct 24, 2013 at 7:02 PM

      Being I see about 50 “support our troops” messages every day, I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that Americans have turned against their military. As for “militarizing of pop culture”, basically very other movie released was a war film during and in the aftermath of WW2.

      But I’m totally with you on the global warming angle: Without question those couple extra flights the Finals are adding will be what pushes us over the edge. That and me leaving the bathroom light on yesterday.

      • davidly - Oct 25, 2013 at 3:06 AM

        Your response is classic straw man. If you’re gonna debate any of the points I made, it should be the actual points and not your retarded interpretation of them.

        To wit: a sinking popularity of the American militaristic image does not equal “turning against our troops”.

        I clearly said that relative to the aggregate, it was more the message extra flying around sends – nevertheless, one flight is like you leaving your bathroom light on for about a thousand years.

        Speaking of exhaust fumes, how many people with yellow ribbons on their cars are either 1) absolving themselves of their own culpability through inaction and 2) were guilted into buying it by some yahoo gas station attendant.

        Saying, “I support our troops!” does not support troops; it contributes to militarized culture which supports the richest few of any society, those who sit aboard corporations with interests in weapons manufacturing and the media conglomerations who hire people who say things like “But you have to like the sentiment behind it.”

        That’d be true unless you know that the sentiment behind it is pure BS.

      • mogogo1 - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        You don’t know what a straw man actually is. Countering your claim that the military is increasingly unpopular in America with the fact that there’s an incredible amount of support for them is not a straw man argument. It’s a direct refutation of your claim. And rather than give any examples of the supposed sinking popularity of the troops, you just restate it, as if your personal opinion is a fact that cannot be questioned.

        But, really no reason to expect a lot of logical thinking from somebody who logs in on an article about a basketball jersey to rant about how people with yellow ribbons on cars are killing the environment with exhaust fumes. (Because, I guess, the extra weight of the sticker somehow makes them bigger problems than every other car on the road?)

      • davidly - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM

        You straw manned again. And misdirected. With this:
        And rather than give any examples of the supposed sinking popularity of the troops, you just restate it, as if your personal opinion is a fact that cannot be questioned.
        …you attribute me to a claim I did not make. What I said was:
        “…now more than ever, the American militaristic image is one that is not popular.”

        Your insistence upon distilling from that anti-troop rage is, whether deliberate or out of ignorance–along with your falsely commingling my comments on plane exhaust as it relates to the environment with my mention of yellow ribbons on cars–a straw man.

  3. cbrown386 - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    I like the idea and think that the jersey looks good. Good way to generate some jersey sales and not use the same colors over and over again. Would be interesting to see different teams getting different patterns as well.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      I like it much better than their super grays.

  4. katra2logic - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Friggin’ ugliest jerseys I have ever seen. Bar none. Yuck, yech, blah, gag me with a spoon ugly.

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