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LeBron, Wade call out former Celtics who dissed Ray Allen then left Boston themselves

Oct 17, 2013, 1:03 PM EDT

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One year ago at this time the story we were all sick of was the “feud” between Ray Allen and his former teammates on the Boston Celtics. Allen didn’t feel respected or part of the Celtics plans (Avery Bradley had taken his starting job) and so he took less money to bolt for Miami. He was called “Benedict Allen” in and worse in Boston, he just shrugged then went on to hit the biggest shot of his career and win a ring Miami.

Now Kevin Garnett — who famously said he lost Allen’s phone number — and Paul Pierce are members of the Brooklyn Nets as Boston has gone into full rebuilding mode.

Before the Heat face the Nets this preseason, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade politely called out the Celtics players for what they see as hypocrisy, as reported by Brian Windhorst at ESPN.

“I think the first thing I thought was, ‘Wow, Ray got killed for leaving Boston and now these guys are leaving Boston,'” James said.

“I think it’s OK; I didn’t mind it. But there were a couple guys who basically [expletive] on Ray for leaving, and now they’re leaving. That’s the nature of our business, man. I don’t know what Boston was going through at the end of the day. I know Ray had to make the best decision for him and his family and his career. Doc, KG and Paul did that as well. You can’t criticize someone who does something that’s best for their family….

“We all know the world, how it works,” Wade said. “The biggest thing is Ray is happy [in Miami]. If they’re happy in Brooklyn, then let them be happy. People say things about people when they do something when they themselves would do the same thing. It’s about putting yourself in the best situation, and at the end of the day we all do that. You can’t really say anything about someone that does it for themselves.”

In Boston Allen leaving is seen as different because the Celtics fans thought their team was still a contender, not an older squad one injury away from blowing it up. They also say Allen left of his own free will — for far less money to a rival — while Pierce and Garnett were traded. I don’t buy that logic. Garnett had a no-trade clause, he could have shot the whole thing down or walked away, but he didn’t in large part because Pierce pushed for him to go through with it. Pierce and KG had options (including retirement), instead they chose the trade.

This should simply serve as a reminder that your passionate fan allegiances have little to no impact on players, who see this as a business, as their job. Remember how KG was going to retire a Celtic? Exactly.

  1. kingwithringz - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    I agree with D-Wade and LBJ. Walter “Ray” Allen deserves an apology. It’s true. Oh, it’s true. (Kurt Angle voice)

  2. xLith - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Blah blah blah. It’s like a daytime soap opera with these two “groups”. You’ve won back-to-back championships. Just stand tall and keep your mouth shut.

    • nycalldayz - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      Exactly who cares!

      • gofinsgoheatfloria - Oct 18, 2013 at 7:46 AM

        guys who read and comment?

  3. kb2408 - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    I guess LBJ should stand up for J.Shuttlesworth, considering the fact that without him LBJ would still be sitting on “not 2” but only 1 title.

    • reesesteel23 - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      Well….they’re right…..

      Ray realized a year sooner that the Celts were garbage. At least he never told the fanbase he would retire a Celtic only to waive his no trade clause and bolt

      • gofinsgoheatfloria - Oct 17, 2013 at 3:01 PM

        When your team’s PBO is on the phone with you talking about a planned trade that you didn’t ask for – as Danny Ainge has acknowledged he was earlier that spring regarding a planned trade with Memphis – you should be entitled to expect that you are off the hook regarding loyalty.

    • zoomy123 - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM

      This is retarded and extremely myopic. Why do people in basketball fetishize individual accomplishments without putting those individual accomplishments within a TEAM context? Wade scored 14 points in game 6, an elimination game AT HOME. Nobody talks about that, though. And if LBJ didn’t have a triple-double with 16 points in the fourth quarter Ray Allen NEVER even gets an opportunity to hit that shot. But I suppose LBJ haters will continue to say stupid things like, “Herp derp Ray Allen saved LBJ herp derp,” because it helps them swallow the fact that LBJ won another ring. Hate on…

      • bucrightoff - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:43 PM

        But….its true. Go ahead and tell me who wins the NBA title if Allen misses that 3. This isn’t one of those analogies that is a total stretch. If Ray Allen misses that 3 LeBron is 1/3 in Miami with two Finals loses and right now we aren’t talking threepeat we’re debating where LeBron is playing next year and by extention who you’re cheering for next year.

      • zoomy123 - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        Ray Allen did NOT win the NBA Finals. Do you not remember that there was still a game 7? How could Ray Allen have won the NBA Finals if there was still a game 7 that either San Antonio or Miami could have won? And not only that, there was still overtime. So, not only did Ray Allen’s shot not even win the series for Miami, it didn’t even win game 6 for Miami. All it did was keep Miami alive for 5 more minutes. So, yes, your analogy is a “total stretch” because it ignores critical details about the context that creates a revisionist history that NEVER happened

        Moreover, without LBJ’s 4th quarter performance Ray Allen NEVER gets an opportunity to hit that shot. So, you can only hyperbolically glorify Ray Allen’s at the cost of ignoring the entire context of the game.

      • redbaronx - Oct 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        @zoomy123 – LBJ haters? Your comment was a good one until you made it about “haters”. I have no idea why LBJ die-hards need to hate on other fans that comment about the Heat.

        You’re absolutely right. Wade isn’t what he used to be, and Ray Allen doesn’t even get to put up that shot if LBJ wasn’t having a HOF type game 6.

      • zoomy123 - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        This is what kb2408 said, “I don’t care if LBJ produced a triple double in all four quarters of that game…”

        What person with a brain says they don’t care about somebody dropping a 30 pt triple-double in game 6 in the NBA Finals? LOL! That’s a hater. This guy isn’t just commenting about the Heat, he’s an irrational hater.

      • redbaronx - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        @zoomy123 – He’s still not a hater. He’s just an idiot. Like you said, anyone with a brain knows LeBron had a great Finals performance. He carried the Heat.

        Note: It isn’t the first time I’ve seen kb2408 make really stupid comments.

      • kb2408 - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:39 PM

        I don’t care if LBJ produced a triple double in all four quarters of that game….without Ray’s miracle dagger, it wouldn’t have meant squat.

      • detectivejimmymcnulty - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

        I agree zoomy. It’s never one thing when something happens in sports. For a dramatic moment to happen there are so many things that go into making it possible for that play to happen. Not to mention, who hit the first 3 to even give Ray the possibility of making the shot? Lebron James.

        But, no doubt if anyone should have made one of the more memorable 3 point shots in recent memory, who better than Ray Allen?

      • shanydawg - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM

        Zoomy’s got it… KB is a dork LOOKING for something to hate. If you can’t enjoy that particular game… you simply should not be watching… let along commenting.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

      Allen’s three was the bees knees, but LeBron hit a three just seconds before that and both absolutely had to happen for the Heat to pull off that amazing comeback.

      And if James didn’t put his foot down in the 4th quarter at OT (where he scored 16 points) the game would’ve been over a lot sooner than that.

      Remember, that was by far the biggest game of the year and LeBron put up a remarkable 32/11/10. He’s the only player to put up a 30 point triple double in a finals game since 1986 (per Basketball Reference). So Ray Allen’s 9/2/1 was nice and timely, but… cmon.

    • birdgang - Oct 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM

      kb2408, just how many would Kobe have without Big Shot Bob and a couple season saving shots by Derrick Fisher. No single individual has won a team championship by his self. All the greats had just the right complementary players. The people who go out of their way to find ways to discredit another mans accomplishments are just pathetic. How about go accomplish some things of your own, and maybe you can respect the hard work put in by a lot of these athletes. You don’t have to like any man, but any man with a brain will show respect where it is earned.

      • kb2408 - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:12 PM

        How about the bricked 3 and turnovers late in that game? Had Ray not made that shot, Lebron would’ve been the goat…and I don’t mean as in “greatest of all time, my friend”!

      • philaw123 - Oct 19, 2013 at 1:40 AM

        Kobe had the ultimate complimentary player in Shaq…as in thanks to Shaq, Kobe has 3 more rings than he deserves.

  4. badluckbuffalo - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    The difference between Allen leaving and the departure of KG and co. Is that Allen went and chased a ring KG and co. Got traded to the nets so they don’t look nearly as bad for the move.

  5. norcalkingsfan - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Who says dissed?

  6. bucrightoff - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    The difference of course is the Celtics would be in a really, really bad way right now had Garnett and Pierce actually stayed. They’d be overpaying for players who are no longer worth it, after trading their coach, delaying the inevitable rebuild all to finish 7th in the East and get blasted in the first round. They actually helped the Celtics by agreeing to move.

    You can say it was delusional of KG and Pierce to think they could actually make a run with Allen last year (of course it was), but they seemed intent on making one more run. Once you trade your coach, the writing is on the wall as far as the franchises intention.

    • redbaronx - Oct 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      @bucrightoff – I think everybody wins. The Celts were not going to win another banner, KG and Pierce get to play for a potentially stronger team, and Doc gets to take a young Clipper team and turn them into a legit contender to win it all. Nobody lost here, including Boston fans. Boston can reload now.

  7. sportsfan18 - Oct 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    I’m not a fan of any of these teams… but so many don’t act like grown ups… Also, people don’t do what they say anymore either.

    KG was quoted as saying that if he had anything to do with it he’d retire a Celtic.

    Well, HE did have something to do with it, in fact he had EVERYTHING to do with it as he had only one of like four no trade clauses in his contract (complete no trade clauses, not just to 10 teams of his choosing etc…).

    So when you have complete control over whether a team may trade you and you say if you have anything to do with it you’ll retire a Celtic…

    Why open your mouth KG when you don’t believe or do what it is that you say you’ll do…

    These guys should know how it works. Say something like I really want, hope to or would like to retire a Celtic… but one never knows how the cookie crumbles and time will tell…

    It isn’t difficult at all to leave yourself with wiggle room. All it takes is a brain.

  8. phreakin - Oct 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Except you know, KG and Pierce were actually traded and didn’t leave as free agents. But let’s not let specifics get in the way. And to be clear, I don’t fault Allen for leaving anyway.

    • detectivejimmymcnulty - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      I honestly don’t care that any of the 3 left the Celtics. Although while I’m not a Celtics fan, I would have liked to see P.P. spend his entire career with the C’s. K.G. did have a no-trade clause though so he could have said no thanks I’m staying, but at the same time the Celtics got 3 first round picks for he and P.P.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

      KG waived his no-trade clause.

      • Anoesis - Oct 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

        At the request of the team. Those facts really trip you up every time. Garnett helped the team by leaving. Allen hurt the team by leaving.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

        “KG was so fiercely loyal to the Celtics that he waived his no-trade clause and left because a rebuild was on the horizon.”

        Nobody is buying that, bud.

        KG and Doc wanted no part of Boston once they stopped being contenders. They were all-in when they thought they were still legit. Once it became clear that they were not… sayonara!

        Allen left because Boston did a fantastic job of making him feel unwanted. He is truly appreciated in Miami. Allen left for a better and more justifiable reason.

  9. rodge1 - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:25 PM


    Totally agree.

  10. leoimpr - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Ray came to Miami, is loved by all the fans, hit one of the biiggest shots in NBA history, has a World Champion ring. Garnett and Pierce are in Brooklyn, will suck, get hurt, destry the franchise, and will get a plastic ring from one of the quarter’s machines near their arena.

    • detectivejimmymcnulty - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      K.G. and P.P. won’t destroy the franchise. Billy King needs no help in that department.

  11. antistratfordian - Oct 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Special shout out to Doc Rivers too. They shouldn’t forget him… Rivers and KG are probably the biggest hypocrites when it comes to Ray Allen. I’m not sure about the specifics of Pierce’s situation – but I’m willing to bet that he was trying to follow KG out of town – I don’t think he wanted to stick around for a rebuild either.

    This is just LeBron and Wade doing what they’re supposed to be doing in looking out for their teammate. The vets/leaders on any other team in the same situation would’ve probably said similar things before facing the Nets.

  12. 1972wasalongtimeago - Oct 17, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Here’s what’s going down in The Barclays Center tonight, Friday, and Saturday. The Miami Heat tonight. Pearl Jam back to back Friday and Saturday. Holy Moly!

    Might just have to find my way up there pretty soon.

  13. thetooloftools - Oct 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Why does LeBron comment on everything but the baby he had with Sharon Reed from channel 19 in Cleveland?

    • detectivejimmymcnulty - Oct 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM

      I would imagine the same reason Kobe won’t comment on the Denver incident, Dwight has a gag order on one of his baby’s mothers, or any other person that has done something they regret. It has no benefit to them.

    • antistratfordian - Oct 17, 2013 at 11:00 PM

      Probably because he never had a baby with Sharon Reed. That was one of the lamest attempts at making a story out of internet rumor – at least the Delonte story had a source that you could speak to (even though he was mistaken).

    • silvertong1960 - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:58 AM

      whats it to u who he had a baby with ? r u going to help take care of it or do u just keep puttin his person life out there because u angry . this about basketball not child support . u act like u did the DNA test or was in the room when he did it . if his wife is not trippin and the person he so call had a child with is not trippin , the why the hell r u ? it u want fans to hate him for that then its not working , try something else cause all most of us care about is the game . how much support have u given to the welfare of the child since u complaining ? just what i thought , nothing .

  14. jjordannba - Oct 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Many of yall do not know a thing of what yall are talking about, the situations are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. Starting with Ray Allen, The Celtics were just coming off an Intense 7 Game series with the soon to be Champion Heat as the underdogs. They were one win away from the Finals, ONE WIN! So they were thinking oh lets give it another shot cmon lets keep the group together. Not only did Ray leave but Ray left to there rivals of the last 2-5 years so of course people are going to feel some type of way, they just beat kicked them out the playoffs. Had Ray gone to say the Clippers I assure you people wouldn’t feel as strongly about it.

    With KG Doc and Pierce it was totally different with the first mediocre season of the Big 3 era, the Rondo injury, and getting eliminated In the First round for the first time in the Big 3 era. Expectations were not the same following the season. Ainge was looking to rebuild and gave Pierce the privilege of being traded to a contender with KG going along with him.

  15. jayluv7979 - Oct 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    It’s funny how the leauge can get rid of you, and call it business, but if you leave a sinking ship, then you are chasing a ring lol Ray left because of personal reasons lets just cut through the red tape! Danny got other ideas so regardless of what Pual done in the past, because of business danny quickly forgot abot that. And the best thing KG did was sign that clause to control his own destiny, why retire if you got two years top left, I rather spend my last years with a contender, than the sinking ship in Boston, if KG would of stayed in Boston, it would seem like he ended his career as an aging loser!!!

  16. jzone954 - Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    So what exactly is the difference between Robert Horrys shot to help Kobe, vs, Ray Allen’s to help Lebron? Some of you are hypocrites who should realize no matter who you are you do have teammates who make plays to……

  17. paulhargis53 - Oct 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Don’t bother trying to reason with kb2408. its actually lakerluver and he’s just as ignorant and hypocritical as he was last year.
    He hates LeBron because he knows he’s the player of his era, not Kobe.

    Pay him no mind. He’s too damn dumb to learn anything.

    • Anoesis - Oct 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      Where ya been, paul? Finally got another parole?

  18. miamatt - Oct 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Even if one disagrees with what LBJ said, you have to respect him backing up his teammate. People can dismiss the Heat’s “happy time” locker room, but you never hear anything from members of the Heat other than support for each other, at least publicly.

    And to be fair, Doc Rivers, KG, and Paul Pierce ALL took public shots at Ray Allen in the aftermath of his free agent decision, and Allen certainly never trashed them in return. If anything, quite the opposite. In any case, less than one year after Allen signed in Miami, Doc Rivers forced his way out of Boston while the aforementioned players moved on as well. It may have been a trade, but both Pierce and KG had a choice in the matter.

    If Ray Allen had stayed in Boston, where would he be now? Either stuck in a rebuilding project on the Celtics, or in Brooklyn (or perhaps on whatever other team Ainge could work a trade with). Ray Allen was simply ahead of the curve, and he made the decision that clearly was the best one for him.

  19. Anoesis - Oct 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    The ship (Boston Whaler?) was going down, but Rivers, Garnett, and Pierce all thought there was at least one more shot. Allen bailed (and not water) early. Those still manning their stations thought he was a traitor.

    Just because the situation worked out in a way that made Allen look prescient doesn’t change the fact that he chose to leave the team when many on it thought they were still in contention for a title.

    Current members of the Heat commenting on the situation? It benefited them so their take is inevitably biased. Allen doesn’t need defending. He did what he thought was in his own best interest. His former teammates disagreed with his decision, his current teammates are glad to have him. How is this any different from James leaving Cleveland for Miami? Those who live in glass houses and all that.

  20. davincizsp - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Miami will be dominating this decade just like what Chicago did in the 90’s last century T-T

  21. loungefly74 - Oct 18, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    “This should simply serve as a reminder that your passionate fan allegiances have little to no impact on players, who see this as a business, as their job. Remember how KG was going to retire a Celtic? Exactly.”

    Yes….it is a business but at the same time, i feel its extra special when players do stay with one team their entire career…guys like Duncan, Kobe, Wade…they are a rare breed going the way of the Dodo.

  22. gmsingh123 - Oct 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    I could see why the Bobsy twins would say this. They just don’t know what it’s like to have a coach that would make you want to leave if that coach was no longer there.

  23. The Shop Report - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    LeBron is an idiot; Unlike Allen, KG and Pierce… DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER!!!
    Folks need to realize that LeBron is not E.F. Hutton. Just because he opens his mouth doesn’t mean what comes out will make any sense. Dude (LeBron), stop being so eager to please!!! As for Wade, he should do less talkin’ and more worryin’ about how to remove the black toe-nail polish that refuses to come off.

    • Kurt Helin - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      If you don’t want to read what LeBron said, don’t click on the post. But take a guess as to what post got the most hits the las 24 hours?

      • gmsingh123 - Oct 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

        Kurt, wouldn’t it make more sense to thank him for clicking on the post if you are going to brag about how many hits it has? Have you also been posting as “antistratfordian”, btw?

      • Kurt Helin - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

        I only post as myself.

  24. jdvalk - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    The difference is that Allen had a chance to help a legit run with a squad that almost won the series against the Heat the year before. This time around, with Rondo done for most of this year and another year without Allen, Ainge was kicking off the rebuild whether Garnett and Pierce wanted it or not, so he gave them a landing spot with a potential contender. Their criticism of a longtime teammate basically jumping to a rival that they still had a shot of battling for the East is legit, but don’t count on Lebron to see that through the rose-colored glasses Stern fashioned for him.

    • miamatt - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      Allen would have had to sign a multi-year deal to stay in Boston, and I doubt even the most ardent Celtics supporter would have expected them to have more than one year to contend. Truthfully, I think most people saw the Celtics’ 2012 playoff run as an overachievement rather than a sign that they were still on the cusp of a title.

      Let’s also not forget that Ainge tried to trade Allen TWICE during that year. Why on earth would he put the last precious years of his career in Ainge’s hands, a man he clearly couldn’t trust?

  25. scalfor3 - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Yes, KG waived his no trade clause to go to Brooklyn. He only did so after a week of Pierce in his ear, convincing him that doing so was the best thing both for him and the Celtics. The C’s get to kick start their rebuild and will be terrible this year, just in time for the Wiggins/Parker/Randle draft class, while KG and Pierce get to stay together for one more run at LeBron (scoff at it all you want, but Brooklyn will be legit if JKidd manages their minutes enough for them to be fresh in the postseason). It’s a complete win-win for both sides.

    Despite that, KG still had to be talked into leaving and Pierce was clearly upset about the trade, even though he knew it was best for him and the franchise. They both will be wearing a different jersey this year, but that’s where the Ray Allen similarities end.

    • Kurt Helin - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      To use a KG like attitude, does it matter why he left? He could have stayed, he chose not to.

      • scalfor3 - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Your anti-Celtics bias is showing, Kurt. If you really think turning down twice as much money and a no trade clause to go to a hated rival is the same as (very) reluctantly agreeing to let the franchise trade you, go ahead. Just know that it doesn’t make sense to anyone who doesn’t fap religiously to LeBron commercials.

        For the record, Ray had every right to go to free agency and choose where to play, just as Celtics fans and players had every right to interpret that however they chose to. But, lets be honest here: Ray went out of his way to leave Boston, while KG and Pierce had to be pushed out the door.

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