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LeBron says he wants to be greatest of all time, still “far away from it”

Sep 30, 2013, 2:49 PM EDT

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LeBron James is in legacy mode.

He’s got two championship rings, four MVP awards, two Finals MVP awards, he is a seven All NBA First Team awards, five times on the NBA All Defensive Team, plus went to nine All-Star Games — and he will turn 29 this season. He’s still in his prime.

The question is when he decides to hang up his Nikes where will we rank him in the pantheon of all-time greats?

At media day in Miami, LeBron was asked his goal.

“I want to be the greatest of all time. It’s that simple… I’m far away from it, but I see the light,” reports ESPN’s Israel Gutierrez.

He has said this before, at the All-Star Game last year for one. And frankly, what do you expect him to say? Shouldn’t LeBron be saying he wants to go down as the greatest? If Jordan said that, we’d talk about his passion and drive, not his hubris.

LeBron will go down undoubtedly as one of the most gifted physical specimens ever to play in the NBA — he is the size of Karl Malone but has the speed and handles of an elite point guard. He reminds me of Wilt Chamberlain in the sense there was nobody physically like him in the game when he played.

The question is what has LeBron done with all those gifts?

So far he has put together an impressive resume, but not one that yet moves him into that upper echelon. Again, he’s just turning 29 and if the Heat can three-peat this season that is a big line to add to the resume. Whether this year or down the line, LeBron knows he needs more rings to fill out the resume. He also has time to get them.

Greatest of all-time? That’s a mythical title and one a lot of fans in today’s age would never give him as the Jordan mythology is so built up and established. But it’s a good goal for LeBron, who has checked off a lot of other goals in the past few years.

  1. dirtydavis - Sep 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Glad he knows his place in histroy

  2. money2long - Sep 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    avoid injuries.

  3. asimonetti88 - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Greatest of all time? Not possible. Everyone knows that the five greatest if all time are Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan and Dylan, and that’s not changing anytime soon.

    • eugenesaxe1 - Sep 30, 2013 at 4:53 PM

      He spits hot fire…

    • 24thesho - Oct 1, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      More like, Muhammad Ali.

  4. sportsfan18 - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    I’m older and an MJ fan, but LeBron has done and is doing things that others haven’t. If he plays as well as he has, or even a tad less but does it for another 8 yrs or so, his numbers across the board will be unbelievable.

    LeBron most likely will pass Jordan this season to have the highest career PER as MJ is currently #1 and LeBron is #2.

    Kobe’s career FG% is .454%. Jordan’s is .497%. LeBron’s is up to .490%.

    MJ’s best career FG% was .539%. MJ only shot above 50% 6 times in his career.

    MJ’s best run at raising his FG% in consecutive seasons was 3 seasons in a row.

    LeBron just increased his FG% for the 6th consecutive season and he began that streak 7 yrs ago when he “only” shot .476% (well above Kobe’s career percentage) and he’s increased for 6 straight yrs, the last 4 yrs over 50% and he shot an incredible .565% from the field this yr, something MJ never came close to, Kobe never came close to etc…

    LeBron just doesn’t shoot either. He’s played two fewer seasons that Tony Parker yet LeBron has MORE career assists than Tony Parker.

    More than likely, LeBron will pass Michael Jordan’s career assist total this season, in only his 11th NBA season (Jordan played 13 seasons and fractions of two others).

    Again, I’m NOT a LeBron fan but it will be hard to discount what this man has done when he’s finished playing as his numbers will pass MJ’s and dwarf those of others like Kobe and so many more.

  5. sfsugator - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Can he become one of the greatest to ever play, Yes.
    Can he become THE Greatest of all time, Debatable.

  6. pshango - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    1. Kareem
    2. MJ
    3. Kobe
    4. Wilt
    5. Shaq
    6. Maybe just maybe lebron if he wins another couple of rings

    • cmehustle - Oct 1, 2013 at 6:02 AM

      Lol! Like the Lakers much? Here you go

      1. MJ
      2. Magic
      3. Wilt
      4. Russell
      5. Robertson
      5A. Bird

  7. jbeagles23 - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    I love the Dylan response. He’s never said he was number one. He said he was one two three four and five.

    • jimjacknjose - Sep 30, 2013 at 8:53 PM

      I love the KRS-ONE spinoff.

  8. antistratfordian - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    There are countless who already think that he is the greatest. Certainly an argument can be made – an argument can be made for several players. But here is what’s going to separate LeBron from the rest:

    Back when Jordan won 2 in a row he was already pondering retirement and saying things like “what else do I have to prove?” to people in private (his dad was already in his ear trying to get him to retire to play baseball after his first ring). In fact Jordan missed the first week of training camp in 1992 trying to decide if he still had the desire to go for the three peat or not. We already know what happened next – he won 3 in a row, his Dad died, he told PJ he had nothing left to validate, then quit to play baseball. But imagine where Jordan would rank now if he stayed retired after 1993 when he thought he was done proving himself. Keep in mind that Magic was still out there with 5 rings, Kareem with 6 and Russell with 11 – Jordan was still satisfied with 3.

    3 in a row for LeBron is just base camp.

    • jimjacknjose - Oct 1, 2013 at 3:16 PM

      Yes, this is because at minimum he knows he needs at least 5 to be considered in the “greatest” conversation. Wanting rings doesn’t mean greatness, you still gotta earn them and when Lebron does earn more, he will solidify his status as being one of the best.

      • antistratfordian - Oct 1, 2013 at 4:17 PM

        Why would he need 5? Jordan only needed 1 or 2.

        Did you forget that MJ was already being cited as the greatest ever as early as 1991?

        • “Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky and Jack Nicklaus are simply the best that ever were in their respective sports.” -Ten Living Legends, Steve Wulf, Sports Illustrated, December 1991

        • “Is Jordan the greatest ever?  A definitive answer is impossible, of course, as it has been whenever the questioned has been applied to Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird or Magic.  But a case can certainly be made.” – Jack McCallum, 1991

        • “Michael? He’s the best.  I grew up with Connie Hawkins.  I saw Julius at his peak.  No one went through the ACC like David Thompson.  I love Magic and Larry.  But Michael, as far as what I’ve seen… I’d pay money to see him practice.” – Larry Brown, 1991

        Russell was out there with 11 rings. Kareem with 6. Magic with 5. Bird with 3. Didn’t matter. We didn’t need to see Jordan win 5-6 rings before we elevated him above others – it was nice that he did so but it was unnecessary.

        In the same vein we don’t need to see LeBron win 6 rings either. When a player is better, he’s just better, regardless of ring count.

      • dirtydavis - Oct 1, 2013 at 7:27 PM

        I truly believe LBJ will surpass me in every aspect of the game – Michael Jordan 2013

  9. divan22 - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Greatest player of all-time? He’s already there. Put him in a time machine to any year in NBA history and he’d be the best player of that era.

    Greatest RESUME of all time? If you include rings (a TEAM accomplishment), it’ll be tough.

    • kb2408 - Sep 30, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      Did you ever see Magic Johnson play? How about Michael Jordan? Larry Bird? Kobe Bryant? IMO, LeBron is not better than any one of them. Now, if you want to make the argument that he is at least equal to Bird or Kobe, I don’t agree, but at least you would have an argument. But he is not better than MJ or Magic. LeBron wins two titles and we forget about the Dallas finals. We forget about the Celtics series. We forget that without Ray Allen he would still be sitting on one ring.

      • divan22 - Oct 1, 2013 at 3:01 AM

        HAHA I love how you tried throwing Kobe into the mix. Absolutely hilarious.

        LeBron’s FAR superior to Kobe. Better rebounder, better passer, FAR more efficient scorer, and defends anyone on the court that he wants.

        Besides free throw %, what’s Kobe better at than LeBron??? (Cue the silly “rings” rebuttal)

        As for the other guys, yes, LeBron’s currently better than they ever were. 6’8″, 260 lbs monster with point guard skills, a very good jumper, great rebounding ability, finishes at the rim at a ridiculously high %, and the ability to defend all 5 positions.

        Put him in a time machine and he’d break any of those guys. You’re delusional if you disagree.

      • runthepicketfence - Oct 1, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        Amen brother. In that Celtics series the only thing I can remember is Lebron in a fetal position, rocking back and forth while weeping uncontrollably when his team needed him. Can anyone point to one instance in MJ, Bird, Magic’s or Kobe’s career where that happened?

      • adamsjohn714 - Oct 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

        It’s pretty clear he’s surpassed Kobe, who even in his greatest individual seasons, has never touched Lebron’s production.

        Off the cuff I remember MJ crying when losing in the first round for the 2nd time (30 seconds of searching didn’t yield a video, sorry). I think he went on to win a few rings after that.
        I also have a hard time forgetting Kobe’s performance in that Suns series where he refused to shoot in the second half in order to prove some point. He also managed to help the Lakers secure a couple more rings a few years later.
        Every great player has some bad moments in their career. You don’t honestly think every top 50 player all time won every single playoff series and scored 35 points in every game.

      • sportsfan18 - Oct 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

        I like the stats per 36 min’s of court time as it equalizes what players do on the court in the same amount of time. Before I get to that to compare Kobe and LeBron, let’s discuss their shooting percentages.

        Kobe career .454%
        LeBron career .490% and rising.

        7 seasons ago, LeBron “only” shot .476%, something Kobe has NEVER done and then LeBron INCREASED his shooting percentage from this lowly .476% that Kobe has never equaled for SIX consecutive seasons to his .565% this past season.

        Now on to their PER 36 min’s of court time stats

        Kobe 25.1 pts
        LeBron 25.0 pts

        Kobe 4.7 assists
        LeBron 6.3 assists

        Kobe 5.2 rebounds
        LeBron 6.6 rebounds

        Kobe .5 blocks
        LeBron .8 blocks

        Kobe 1.4 steals
        LeBron 1.6 steals

        Kobe 2.9 turnovers
        LeBron 3.0 turnovers

        LeBron has also LED the league in PER for the last 6 consecutive seasons.

        When one factors the huge lead LeBron has over Kobe in shooting percentage as well producing more assists and rebounds than Kobe (while playing him to a standstill in the other categories), it’s quite CLEAR that LeBron is a better player than Kobe.

        Just exactly where or in what category is Kobe better than LeBron?

        Oh yeah, so you know, I’m NOT a LeBron fan. I’m 46 yrs old and grew up outside of Chicago. I’m a huge MJ fan…

        But as a basketball fan, I can’t IGNORE reality. Kobe is nowhere near as efficient on the court as LeBron.

  10. sasquash20 - Sep 30, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    If Duncan hits that turn around hook shot thingy of his then James loses in 6. And lets be honest Duncan hits that 95 percent of the time. James is a freak, but he isn’t and will never be anything close to the greatest of all time.

    It is hard to argue eras in NBA history. Some say Wilt wouldn’t dominate today’s era, but I like to argue he would. With the knowledge of today compared to Wilt’s time, who is to say Wilt would have been an even more amazing athlete with the right diet and training. Wilt drank soda during games to hydrate.

    And its hard to argue if MJ isn’t the best ever. But his era is when refs stopped calling the game a 100 percent. Traveling, palming the ball, and push offs became rampant in the 90s-present time. Back in the day you got called for all of that.

    The game has changed and not for the better. Today players get BS calls because they are stars. Guys flop to get calls way to much (Cry baby Wade). All I’m saying is don’t forget the old heads, and don’t think for a second that players of the past wouldn’t be bigger and faster if they came up today instead.

  11. mccourty1sland - Sep 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan also happen to be the 3 greatest rappers of all time.

  12. cbking05 - Sep 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    LeBron may get there…I dont know another hooper out there that can say it and mean it.

  13. eugenesaxe1 - Sep 30, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I don’t much like the guy, but he is very very good. Will he be considered the best ever? Doubtful, unless he gets very lucky with the ring count.

  14. kb2408 - Sep 30, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    He is already one of the best ever but unless he can turn back the hands of time and carry his team to a title like a 20 year old rookie did (Magic) or go 6-0 in the Finals with 6 MVP’s (MJ), he will never be the greatest to me.

    • antistratfordian - Sep 30, 2013 at 5:29 PM

      • Magic joined a team that already had hall of famers Kareem and Wilkes.
      • Kareem was the MVP of the league in Magic’s rookie season.
      • Magic targeted Kareem as a teammate and would not have entered the draft that year if he could not join the Lakers.
      • The premier player LeBron was joining on the 2004 Cavs was Ricky Davis.
      • 6-0 in the finals makes Bill Russell chuckle.
      • Sam Jones was once 8-0 in the Finals (10-1 overall).
      • If Finals MVP existed in Russell’s day he would have 10 of them.

      • jimjacknjose - Sep 30, 2013 at 8:52 PM

        Lebron ALSO joined a team that has established starts such as Wade and Bosh.

        Kareem may have been the regular season MVP, but he was out (injury) during the pivotal game and MAGIC carried that team to the championship as a rookie playing all 5 spots, scoring 42 pts.

        Magic targeting Kareem as a teammate is pure hearsay. I’m sure Magic would have played well with whomever.

        Agreed. Lebron carried a Cavalier team to the playoffs/finals ALL BY HIMSELF, with little to no help. Still wondering how people doubted him being “clutch”. Lebron made ALL the big play every season in the playoffs all the way to the Finals (25 pts in 4th Qtr, scoring all of the team’s pts. comes in to mind).

        During Bill Russell’s last year, there were only 14 teams, only 8 teams when he first started. There simply wasn’t enough good teams contending for a title. He also played with a number of HOFs through out his career.

        Sam Jones was not the best player during that era, let alone the best player in his own team. This is an orange/apples comparison, much like the Robert Horry one that Lebron used. Sam Jones may be the Bosh/Chalmers to Bill Russell/Havlicek.

        Agreed. Bill Russell would probably get all 11 Finals MVPs to go along with his 11 rings.

        Lebron is the most gifted player in his generation or maybe ever, no doubt about that. But it’s not always about athletic ability.

        In order to be considered the best, you must have credentials like the best. He may end his career with more accolades/titles than Jordan/Magic/Kareem/Wilt, unfortunately, at this point in time his accolades still need work. Unfortunately, they can only measure his accomplishments to those who already played the game and have paved the way for Lebron. This doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best, but compared to the other greats, he has more work to do. The good thing though, he still has plenty of time to be the best. Lastly, I do think that it is unfair to compare between generations as all it will ever be are speculations…

      • antistratfordian - Oct 1, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        Okay, that was a little too long. I appreciate the effort though.

        “Magic targeting Kareem as a teammate is pure hearsay”

        Hearsay? “The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers. I wouldn’t have played in Chicago.” Those are Magic’s own words. If Chicago won the coin toss for the first pick instead of Los Angeles he would’ve stayed in school. Don’t believe me? Here’s Magic again: “I’d have stayed in school. A coin toss changed the course of my whole life.”

        Those quotes are from a Mike Downey article in the LA Times from 1991.

        “Sam Jones was not the best player during that era, let alone the best player in his own team.”

        Sam Jones was their leading scorer for several seasons and also their closer. He was known for his game-winning shots and his nickname was “Mr. Clutch.” Don’t sleep on Sam Jones.

    • jusdre313 - Sep 30, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      say what you want about lebron not being undefeated in the finals but he already has just as many rings as Jordan has at his age.. correction jordan was a year OLDER when he won his second ring. and amen to antistratfordian

  15. ProBasketballPundit - Sep 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Kurt, what do you define as upper echelon? I’d say LeBron has officially entered it after his second title and second finals MVP. He’s definitely top 10.

    PS Having physical gifts doesn’t take away from what somebody achieves. Sports are a subjective endeavor, you’re only good at the expense of others so being really really good can possibly also mean that others are really really bad or at least really really worse than you.

    • Kurt Helin - Oct 1, 2013 at 2:11 AM

      I think there are two conversations here that get mixed up. One is the resume conversation — in pure resume LeBron has a little ways to go to catch Jordan and Magic and Kareem and Russell, just because of rings, but maybe he gets there.

      That is a different argument from who is the best player in my mind.

      • ProBasketballPundit - Oct 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

        I just wondered what you meant by ‘upper echelon’. I mostly agree with Bill Simmons Pantheon level of his pyramid ranking… and I imagine if he re-wrote The Book of Basketball now he would have LeBron right on the cusp of, or barely within, the pantheon. You’re right that LeBron is not yet in the company of Jordan, Russell, Magic or Bird.

      • adamsjohn714 - Oct 2, 2013 at 4:16 AM

        I think Simmons is willfully ignorant when it comes to basketball analysis. He actually advocated that adding up PPG, RPG, and APG shows you the best players in the league. He cannot actually believe that. Incredible writer, though.

  16. steelers33 - Sep 30, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Yes, it would be very hard for him to pass Jordan and Kareem. Its going to come down to the rings, and Jordan won his last one at age 35. So I give Lebron a 6 year time span to win 4 more rings ( he would have to have at least 6.) That is going to be very hard to do, but hey if he is truly the greatest he would do it. I can give him a break for the Cleveland years due to a lack of talent surrounding him ( similar to Jordan and the 80′s bulls), but the 2011 Finals is a giant stain on his resume. I don’t think Jordan would ever play that bad in a finals series, but hey LeBron bounced back from it. We also don’t know how LeBron’s game is going to look like once he gets older and those miles on those legs start to add up. He has already had a very noticeable athletic decline from his Cleveland years to his Miami years, and for someone who relies on it heavily in the fastbreak I don’t know how he’s gonna hold up. Normal people wouldn’t, but LeBron is a physical freak with superior genetics so maybe he won’t slow down too much. Its going to be interesting to watch.

  17. grapenutz08 - Sep 30, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Lebron will never be the greatest ever. We remember the Dallas series. Heck he almost lost the Heat the Spurs series. Bosh and Ray saved the day

    • Kurt Helin - Oct 1, 2013 at 2:08 AM

      Steve Kerr saved Jordan’s bacon, if you want to look at it that way. Basketball remains a team game.

      • 24thesho - Oct 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM

        Well, it was clearly Jordan’s intuition and decision as evidenced on the video footage, so, the insight goes to Jordan. Don’t get it twisted.

      • grapenutz08 - Oct 1, 2013 at 10:24 AM

        True, but Jordan didnt put them in that mess by committing 3 turnovers down the stretch like Lebron did

    • jimjacknjose - Oct 1, 2013 at 3:07 PM

      A little early to say that. At this moment in time, he is not yet the greatest. Would you change your mind if he cleans up and win 8 straight titles? I’m a fan of old school ball, and love MJ, Kareem, Magic/Larry/Wilt, but please lets not be ignorant about what Lebron James has done/doing.

  18. jzone954 - Sep 30, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Lebron as of today, can be considered up there with the greats….and that’s scary because he has so much more to go, God willing……he’s been a joy to watch , a true champion

    • jimjacknjose - Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 PM

      Agreed. It’ll indeed be sad when the time comes for Lebron to hang-up the old Nikes.

  19. zoomy123 - Sep 30, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    The problem for LBJ isn’t Jordan’s greatness, it’s the mythology surrounding Jordan’s greatness. The human compulsion to deify greatness has transformed Jordan into a demi-god with no flaws. In that sense LBJ can probably never be greater than Jordan; no other athlete has so thoroughly suffused popular consciousness like Jordan has. But LBJ is already a better player than Jordan: He’s more efficient offensively, he’s a better rebounder, a better passer, has better court vision, he’s probably as good a defender, he’s a more versatile defender, and he’s more athletic. In almost every aspect of the game LBJ is either equal or greater than Jordan. Most people won’t like me saying this, but it’s true.

  20. vi3tguy415 - Sep 30, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Greatest of all time? LMAO. His game is all about athletism. Look at Vince carter and how he’s doing now. Can’t wait to see in a few yrs how this king wanna be willl be. used to hate Kobe cuz of he torched my Kings but now he earned all the respects. That’s a real Baller right there. For Lebron’s fans, remember his quote from 2 yrs ago. ‘ you all will go back to your miserable lives’ . Yes, that’s the quote directly at you! Go ahead and keep being his fan. Sad people.

    • adamsjohn714 - Sep 30, 2013 at 11:45 PM

      You’re entitled to your opinion, but that quote was obviously meant for the people who didn’t like him and rooted against him, i.e. not his fans.

      • vi3tguy415 - Oct 1, 2013 at 2:06 AM

        Bandwagons,,. I’m looking at u

      • adamsjohn714 - Oct 1, 2013 at 2:17 AM

        oh. nevermind. you’re just a buffoon.

      • vi3tguy415 - Oct 1, 2013 at 2:30 AM

        I assume u will go back to ur miserable life tomorrow

    • detroitbasketballfan - Oct 1, 2013 at 1:52 AM

      Wow cant you cut this guy some slack and maybe accept the fact he has grown up after that lowlight in which he was acting out in the heat of the moment damn.

      And vince carter was never in lebrons category the guy had a very close level of talent but if mj has 10x the will of anyother player than vince had 1000x less of a competetive fire. He gave up on his team midway in toronto to get traded then immediately started playing better in NJ ( looks this up on youtube he admits it slightly in an interview) and the farthest he got was a conf semifinals game 7 against the sixers or pistons.

      Having said all that i think vince has a better mindset and is more of a hard working player now than he was than. I guess he matured, with age. Hint, hint.

  21. mistermaxxx08 - Oct 1, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    i’d say he belongs in the coversation when you look at his resume already and not many people are seeing what he has accomplished as i type this and we ain’t even talking about where he will rank all time in scoring and other stats. he easily got another 4 years if healthy and motivated of incredible output. in truth I have never seen anyone else like him. this cat is part Oscar Robertson, part Shaq, part Magic and something else all his own.

  22. savilo831 - Oct 1, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    He should have never said that. If you want to be the greatest then go out there and be the greatest. You earn that title. You don’t put it out there for people to discuss. He didn’t need to say it. That’s what bothers me about Lebron. I will always feel that his legacy will be tarnished.

  23. harshedmellow - Oct 1, 2013 at 4:25 AM

    When LeBron’s athleticism starts to decline, he can still be Karl Malone for a few years. Think on that.

    The dude has realms yet to unlock. Let him work. If you appreciate excellence- here it is.

    • soopreme - Oct 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM

      harshedmellow, you are dead on with that analogy with Karl Malone.
      I have been saying for years that when Lebron starts to slow down he will turn into Karl Malone.

      What people fail to realize about Lebron is how good he is defensively. Dude is Scottie Pippenish defensively and that is what separates him from the Magics and Birds. There has never been a player with his versatility on both ends of the court than Lebron James.
      That is why i believe if you ask gms and coaches if they were starting a team (excluding centers) they would pick Lebron over anybody (including Jordan) because of the versatility that he would give them in terms of building a team.
      Lebron is the most complete player that has ever played the game and he has a chance to go down as the greatest player of all time if he stays on his current course.

  24. sportsnut101 - Oct 1, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    G.o.a.t. For me

    1st team
    Jordan.
    Magic
    Bird
    Karem jabber
    Wilt
    2nd team is tough
    Jerry west
    Kobe
    Duncan
    Karl malone
    Akeem the dream
    Third team
    Shaq
    Pippen
    Lebron
    Oscar Robertson.
    John Stockton

    • sportsnut101 - Oct 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM

      Oops left off bill Russell. Man this tough. I will take stockton off put Malone on the third team n Russell on 2nd team

    • adamsjohn714 - Oct 2, 2013 at 4:19 AM

      who is karem jabber?

    • wkl21 - Oct 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM

      no team is beating your 1st team.

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