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PBT Roundtable: Is Robert Horry a Hall of Famer?

Sep 11, 2013, 11:01 PM EDT

Robert Horry

In a new regular series, the PBT writers give their opinions on a question of the day. This week:

Is Robert Horry a Hall of Famer?

Kurt Helin: No. It’s not even really close for me. Robert Horry has one of my favorite playoff moments ever (sorry Kings fans) and he provided us plenty of thrills on his way to seven rings, but he was a role player. He’s a guy who had the fortune to be in the right place at the right time, plus he had ice water blood that let him hit big shots, but he’s also a guy who averaged 7 points a game over the course of his career, who had a career PER of 13.4. If — as there should be — there were an NBA Hall of Fame then we could highlight him in the corner about the biggest buzzer beaters in league history. But even in an NBA only Hall Horry doesn’t make the cut. The Hall is for the elite, and Horry was a good role player. Sorry.

Dan Feldman: No. No way. Horry deserves to make the Hall of Fame as much as Tom Sanders does. Who’s Tom Sanders? Exactly. Hall of Fames should honor players who had great careers, not just great moments. Horry had a good career and plenty of great moments, but without his Hall of Fame-level teammates, Horry never would have been position to make his big shots. Championships are a team accomplishment, and Horry played a role in seven. But making the Hall of Fame is an individual accomplishment, and Horry doesn’t come close to deserving it.

D.J. Foster: How about a yes for the Forrest Gump of basketball? Despite the uncomfortable amount of individual accolades to Horry’s name (no All-Star games, no All-NBA selections), you can’t deny the historical impact he had on the game. Ask yourself this: what does the league look like without him? How many titles swing another way? Do Sacramento and Phoenix get rings? Does the stretch 4 era really catch fire without Horry and his teams ushering it in? Maybe the butterfly effect shouldn’t have an impact on Hall of Fame decisions, but I think I’m okay with the Hall preserving performances and acknowledging an overall impact on the game instead of imposing certain statistical benchmarks.

Brett Pollakoff: While I would say no initially, it’s definitely not as cut and dry as “no way” or “absolutely not.” This is the basketball hall of fame, remember, and not simply the NBA’s version of where the immortal players of the game are enshrined. All types of questionable characters are inducted based on shaky contributions to the game at large, and I tend to lean more with D.J. here in that Horry’s being at the right place at the right time and coming through in the clutch on multiple, very important occasions deserves to be remembered by future generations.

  1. kingwithringz - Sep 11, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    All those butts he saved, he better be. Chris Webber still hates him Lol.

  2. smoothaswilkes - Sep 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    I know it’s September but this is a non-topic any time of year. You’re better than this, I thought.

    • smoothaswilkes - Sep 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

      Is Steve Kerr a HOF’er?

    • kb2408 - Sep 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM

      Why comment then? There are other blogs you could’ve commented on, sir.

  3. chargerdillon - Sep 11, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    I think you could ask this same question about Derek Fisher. Big moments but always a role player who hit big moment shots

    • adamsjohn714 - Sep 16, 2013 at 1:13 AM

      except Fisher has been pretty poor individually, while Horry was good individually.

  4. kb2408 - Sep 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    This is an easy one: NO! As much as I am a fan of “Big Shot Bob”, he is in no way a HOF’er. Derek Fisher is one of my favorite LAKERS. Does he belong in the HOF? No. Neither player did enough to merit such an honor. Rings matter but, if it’s a close call, you also have to have been great in one or two categories (Rodman: defense, rebounding), or have stats to go with the rings (Joe Dumars).

    • 00maltliquor - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:24 AM

      Would you be opposed to them getting their jerseys retired and hung in the rafters (Horry AND Fisher)? I wouldn’t. It wouldn’t happen but I would love for it to. To me they are Laker legends, despite the lack of individual accolades.

      • badintent - Sep 14, 2013 at 1:27 AM

        Second the motion. the motion is passed. Now pass the chips, dip and ice cold beer please.

    • bpurd - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      Fisher made big shots but no where near what Horry has made. Plus for multiple franchises.

      • borderline1988 - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM

        Also, Horry’s shots tended to be real difference makers in the respective playoff series. As DJ Foster pointed out, the Kings may have had a championship, the Pistons may have had an additional championship, the Spurs may have had one less….

        Most of the Fisher shots I remember were against teams that the Lakers likely would have beaten anyways.

        That Horry shot against the Kings is just too epic. Down 2-1 in the series, down by 2 in the game, after Kobe and Shaq miss close range shots….he just picks up the ball and drains a game winner as the buzzer goes, with 2 Spurs jumping at him. That is a top-5 clutch shot in NBA history.

  5. raycharlesj - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Mitch Richmond is more deserving of the Hall of Fame then Horry or Chris Mullins!!!! The Hall and whomever does the induction selection is a joke!! And why is Spencer Haywood not in the Hall based on his total body of work in college, ABA, and the NBA???In his rookie season, Haywood led the ABA in scoring at 30.0 points per game and rebounding at 19.5 rebounds per game, And Haywood made the USA Olympic Basketball team in 1968. Haywood was the leading scorer on the USA’s gold medal winning basketball team during the 1968 Olympics at 16.1 points per game, and he set a USA field goal percentage record of .719,and led the NCAA in rebounding with a 21.5 average per game while scoring 32.1 points per game during the 1968-69 season, How is this dude not in the Hall??? It took those geniuses forever to induct Bernard King, and Tark the shark!!!!

    • louhudson23 - Sep 12, 2013 at 4:35 AM

      Chris Mullin was a much,much better player than any player you named,excepting Bernard King. Mitch Richmond does not belong in the same sentence with Chris Mullin. Spencer Haywood was an outstanding player who descended into drug hell and did his best to erase the many accomplishments of his earlier years….

      • rcnap2atl - Sep 13, 2013 at 1:44 AM

        as good as chris mullin was, it’s ridiculous to say he was much, much better than richmond or any other all star caliber player of his era. richmond was arguably the best sg in the league not named michael jordan..

      • badintent - Sep 14, 2013 at 1:31 AM

        Loved Chris at St Johns , great pro career. But Mitch was a Load against my Knicks for far too many years . The guy was the total package, could drive with strength to the hole, post up like the big O and had a great jumper.Carried the team on his back for many years. I hope he , chris and Spencer al get in the Hall together.

      • raycharlesj - Sep 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

        Chris Mullin got in because of his college career and Olympic work too!! Spencer Haywood Drug problem should not exclude his total body of work form college and the Olympics and the ABA!!! and Richmond was better then by the way AN Alcoholic substance abusing Mullins!!!

    • asimonetti88 - Sep 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM

      What’s up with the Mullin hate on PBT lately?

    • 2late2matter - Sep 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

      Odd how the HOF selects instead of elects the old ABA greats (like Spencer) to its special party. I recall Spencer Haywood as an absolute monster for the University of Detroit Titans (who count 1983 HOFer NY Knicks Dave DeBusschere, as an alumni) and also of him proudly wearing his Olympic gold medal on campus.

      Yeah, his stats have earned him a HOF chair.

  6. rajbais - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:27 AM

    I loved watching Big Shot Bob, but he wasn’t a great player.

    You have to play and he didn’t play often or well enough to be elite.

    The rings are nice, but being a recipient, albeit for a clutch shot guy, doesn’t mean you’re a greater player.

  7. money2long - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    what would horry say

  8. footballgod87 - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:04 AM

    By that standard Derek fisher is one too. I love Both as role players, not hall of famers

  9. stoudemelo - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    Absolutely. Horry made countless shots that impacted the history of the game. While players like McGrady and Weber had incredible individual careers you can’t dismiss the fact that Horry won 7 championships with 3 teams.

  10. slippyal2 - Sep 12, 2013 at 2:37 AM

    I remember scouts, coaches, and commentators said Horry had Scottie Pippen potential, that he was the next Scottie. He never lived up to that, so I always looked at him as guy who didn’t achieve the individual success he should of have. The man helped plenty of teams win rings and is a winner, but no way is he a HOF’er.

  11. chris3141084 - Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    What about as a contributor?

  12. antistratfordian - Sep 12, 2013 at 3:08 AM

    No. Can we please RAISE the standards for the Hall of Fame, not lower them? Thank you.

  13. xchinezeballax - Sep 12, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    No way.

  14. ocgunslinger - Sep 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    I loved Horry. “Big Shot Rob” was a fantastic team player and obviously with that nick name was a clutch shooter. Still one of my favorite players but not a hall of fame material based on his overall career.

  15. eagles512 - Sep 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    DJ should be fired for saying yes. That has to be a joke.

  16. nightrain42 - Sep 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Horry himself said he wld be remembered as one of the all time greats of the game, instead of a big shot maker. So the answer is no HOF for him.

  17. zickhead - Sep 12, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Well according to Magic Johnson, greatness is determined by the number of rings a player has. If Magic is in the HOF based on his own theory then technically Horry has more so he should be in too.

  18. mogogo1 - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    No.

  19. gettinbuckets513 - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    No way! Are you serious?

    What kind if precedent does that set, a role player with a below average PER goes to the hall? DJ and Brett need to turn in their bball writing credentials.

  20. jimsjam33 - Sep 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    This is an easy one . Robert Horry in the Hall of Fame ? No His Agent a resounding Yes !

  21. ifallforthatcrapeverytime - Sep 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    7 points a game for his career? this is ludicrous. big shot bob was one of the biggest underachievers of his time. all that talent and he just did not care, until the playoffs of course. this question is a joke.

  22. muhangis - Sep 13, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    Yes.

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