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Report: Chris Paul wants union to challenge league on flopping fines, HGH testing

Aug 23, 2013, 12:13 PM EDT

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There was a feeling among a number of players (fueled by their agents) that the former leadership of the NBA players union — executive director Billy Hunter and president Derek Fisher — were too soft with the NBA and too cozy with David Stern and NBA leadership. That stems out of the last lockout (which the small/mid-sized owners won big) but carries over to other areas.

It appears just-elected union president Chris Paul is willing to come out fighting — and on issues that may not sit well with fans.

Paul has only been in the office for a couple days but TMZ has a report that he plans to be much more hardline than his predecessors.

Sources tell us … Paul is taking his new role very seriously — and is already talking to players about his agenda, which includes:

– Preparing a battle plan to fight any league proposal for HGH testing
— Eliminating flopping fines
— Forbidding any dress code additions/changes

We can all enjoy the irony of the notorious flopper Paul fighting flopping fines, but what it signals is a willingness to fight. Same with HGH testing, which all major pro leagues are trying to put in (although the NFL and its union are fighting over it).

Thing is, those are two things generally popular with fans. Both flopping and PEDs are issues that cut at the game’s integrity and fans want to see fines, they want to see testing, they want to see less flopping and the guys who get caught flopping get more than a $5,000 slap on the wrist. Fans want to know their players are clean.

There should be tension and disagreements between the players union and the league — there is always going to be being tension between labor and management. If CP3 and the players want to be more aggressive, that is their call.

But they better pick their battles. Know which ones are worth fighting and don’t hurt the NBA’s domestic fan base.

  1. cantonbound13 - Aug 23, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    he’s protecting his boy LBJ

    • hannsta - Aug 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM

      He is protecting the whole league. The people who get busted are really the tip of the iceberg. The harder you test the worse the leauge looks. Look at cycling, all their crusade against doping has done is illuminate every single big name as a doper and ruin the credibility of the sport. With all the different types and benifits of PED’s out there, its niave to assume the NBA is somehow clean of it. 6 tests a year sounds like cognative dissonace to me.

    • spthegr8 - Aug 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM

      Looks like Cp3 is REALLY protecting the integrity of the game. He wants players to continue to try and trick or fool the referee ( cuz that is what flopping is in an egg shell ) & he wants to protect the guy’s that are using PED’s…???? Seems like Cp3 wants to run the league, like Bane was running Gotham in the DKR. ANYTHING GOES!!!

  2. cakemixa - Aug 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    The queen of flopping wants flopping fines gone? Shocked!

    • spthegr8 - Aug 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

      @cake
      LLS!! I know right. Of course he does, otherwise, the Clippers starting Pg & Pf ( who is the King of flopping for big men ) could miss some games and be subject too fines!!

  3. woodson312 - Aug 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    im sure he is with all the flopping him and his team does. FLOPCITY

  4. coryfor3 - Aug 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    No HGH testing huh? That answers what I need to know about the NBA and Paul. Good coming from a guy recently recovered from a major injury. Hmmm…

  5. xLith - Aug 23, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    In other news… Following this announcement Chris Paul was seen falling over when being patted on the back by Manu Ginobli.

  6. mcmystery76 - Aug 23, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Irony means the opposite of what you would expect, so if cp3 wanted stiffer penalties, or a writer on this site learned how to properly use the English language, that would be ironic

  7. mrbhenderson - Aug 23, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Are there long term bad effects to taking HGH? Does HGH help your performance, or just help in recovery? What if HGH is taken under doctor supervision?

    I dont quite understand how we want to include advances in technology, sports gear, but seem to be against advances in medicines like HGH.

    If this helps players get back to playing their prospective sport faster, how is that bad?

    • ibejeph - Aug 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      +1.

      HGH should be allowed. It lets players maximize what is already there.

      You can’t pump a fat couch potato full of HGH and end up with an NBA. The physical gifts must be there.

      HGH allows them to play longer, return from injury sooner and perform at the highest levels. It should be allowed.

      • bougin89 - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:09 PM

        “HGH allows them to play longer, return from injury sooner and perform at the highest levels. It should be allowed.”

        And then when they have diabetes and cancerous tumors growing in their body they can retire.

    • bougin89 - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      Ugh.

      HGH increases muscle mass. That means players run faster, jump higher, etc. It definitely helps their performance, to argue otherwise would be ignorant.

      As to your question about “long term bad effects”. Other than increased chances of diabetes, joint swelling, carpal tunnel, and cancerous tumors abusing HGH isn’t THAT bad….

      smh

    • asimonetti88 - Aug 24, 2013 at 12:25 AM

      “Are there long term bad effects to taking HGH? Does HGH help your performance, or just help in recovery? What if HGH is taken under doctor supervision?”

      There is no legitimate medical reason for an adult to take HGH. There are certainly long-term health effects associated with taking it.

      There isn’t really conclusive evidence either way as to whether or not HGH does help with performance. There hasn’t really been enough research to make a definitive statement.

      There is a little bit of evidence regarding HGH in recovery, and it hasn’t shown to be overly helpful.

      • bougin89 - Aug 25, 2013 at 1:32 AM

        HGH helps build muscle mass. If you’ve ever lifted weights, this means you are stronger/faster(if you are lifting properly). I’m guessing professional athletes are put through the correct workouts.

  8. milasking - Aug 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    “Fans want to know their players are clean.” “they want to see testing”
    No we don’t, who said that? not this fan. The first thing I think about is not “is he clean??”

  9. eagles512 - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Always liked him but his HGH stance changes that.

    • ProBasketballPundit - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:57 PM

      Don’t be so quick to write Paul off. Most likely, everything he’s saying now is simply posturing and trying to instill some fight & confidence amongst his people. Plus we don’t know all the reasons behind his stance; there are almost always unintended consequences for new rules like HGH testing and flopping fines. Some of them may need to be dealt with before a policy is agreed upon.

  10. darrkkomens - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    cakemixa – Call him Queen of the Floppers to his face in a dark alley with no cameras present, I bet you wouldn’t say it again, that was a stupid and ignorant comment.

    I think he is the wrong guy for the President role too.. and he is one of the biggest floppers in the NBA but there’s no reason to disrespect him and go after his manhood.

    They need to Suspend players for obvious flops and they also need to go back to the tough basket ball play of old.

    • joeksnuffy - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM

      This is just a dumb comment. Just because you Paul might kick your ass for saying he’s juicing to his face doesn’t mean it’s not true.

  11. 700levelvet - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    TMZ? Has a report?…. Christ

  12. monkeyhateclean - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    The truth is players flop and/or exaggerate the effects of contact because selling it is the only sure way to get the refs to notice it.

    NBA refs miss so many calls in an average game that they are either dirty, intimidated or incompetent.

    • bougin89 - Aug 23, 2013 at 4:07 PM

      Basketball isn’t an easy sport to referee. My problem with NBA refs is that they are so inconsistent. Sometimes from 1 quarter to the next. As long as fouls are called consistently, whether it be letting rough play go or calling it tighter, between all players and both teams throughout the entire game you have a fair game. It just seems like that usually isn’t the case in the NBA.

      • monkeyhateclean - Aug 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM

        Agreed, but in truth, vet players realize it will always be inconsistent.

        If refs called every foul according to the rules, games would take 4 hours, and a team’s entire 12 man bench.

        No surprise, actual viewers of the NBA games prefer superstars like James, Durant, etc in games rather than out of games, which obviously trickles down into how games are called, which is great for fans who merely want their stars on the court at key game moments, but really sucks for fans who want to see the game they love called with accountability.

        Accountability. A dirty word for NBA fans. Clearly.

  13. bucrightoff - Aug 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    LeBron, Wade, DRose and Kobe are all very supportive of Paul’s anti-HGH testing stance.

    • domblaze - Aug 23, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      Yes, throw LeBron in with a bunch of constantly injured players… Because he’s not the most naturally genetically gifted player in all of sports. *fart*

    • cantonbound13 - Aug 23, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      Not sure I’d put Rose in with that group. He doesn’t seem to recover quickly from injuries like the others you mentioned.

      • hannsta - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:20 PM

        Rose was the one that reportedly came out and said there was a “massive” PED problem.

    • deiong - Aug 25, 2013 at 3:50 PM

      why DRose?? I took him over a year to get over what others got over in months????

  14. marcusfitzhugh - Aug 23, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    If they stop calling flops, just make sure they also cut back on the blocking fouls. No charging and no blocking, lets see how the game goes then. Based on those rules, Shaq would have scored 100. The smaller guys will have to work on their outside game.

  15. thomaskouns - Aug 23, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Paul is the wrong guy for the job as he was one of the league reps who wanted to keep Billy Hunter even when he was accused and later proven and finally fired for 1) hiring family members and the firms they worked for to key Union positions 2) awarded himself 2 million dollars for not spending vacation time 3) failed to show players when they asked the Union finances, etc.

    He majorly dropped the ball on that one so why would he be a good Union Leader now?

  16. onlyavoice - Aug 23, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Turn The NBA Into A Ghetto Is All Paul Wants.

  17. onlyavoice - Aug 23, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Paul Walks In With His Fake Plastic Glasses On
    & Expects The White Educated Owners To Take Him Seriously.

  18. ohioteamsusuallysuck - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    He also hired ginobli as his consultant for flopping and rashard Lewis is a consultant for HGH. Lebron James will be consulting on both matters

  19. northstarnic - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Just when you thought the NBA couldn’t get any cheesier….

  20. jeff6381 - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Don’t know why players are fighting HGH testing it leads me to believe that it has to be something that a lot of guys are using.

  21. ProBasketballPundit - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    This is what is known as Strategic Posturing. Chris Paul doesn’t endorse HGH use and he doesn’t intentionally flop…. well…. okay but I really don’t think he’s siding with banned substance use. He’s just talking tough, laying down terms to enter the next round of CBA negotiations or owners voting.

    • Anoesis - Aug 24, 2013 at 12:41 AM

      Don’t answer any e-mails ads about African money or Nevada sea-side land.

  22. wetdawg70 - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    How about an agenda which benefits the players financially? Any thoughts? Didn’t think so…

  23. waltimusprime - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    What a bum. This is why college atheletics beats pro. The NBA is 50%thug 50% Euro floppers. When did the nba become soccer? About halfway through the 2012-2013 season I gave up on the NBA and now im even more glad I did. Hey Chris Paul! Pull your skirt up!

  24. ia8711 - Aug 23, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    i literally bursted out laughing when i read that Paul wants to eliminate flopping fines, LMAO!!! cp3 is by far the biggest flopper in the NBA, inarguable!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

  25. adamsjohn714 - Aug 23, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    His job is to keep money in the players’ pockets. The owners are trying to squeeze every penny out of the players as possible. He isn’t making a personal choice to benefit himself. He represents every NBA player.

    • Anoesis - Aug 24, 2013 at 12:42 AM

      And politicians bend over backward to represent all their constituents. Got it.

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