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Greg Oden signing could have the Heat looking to move Joel Anthony

Aug 3, 2013, 6:30 PM EDT

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Now that Greg Oden is in the fold with the Miami Heat, there are other big men around the league that will be affected by his decision.

But there also might be some on Oden’s new team that could find themselves playing elsewhere before the season begins.

Miami has more bigs than the team will play now, with Chris Andersen, Joe Anthony, and Jarvis Varnado all under contract in addition to Oden. And with the team being sensitive to its luxury tax bill, that could mean that the player they determine to be the least useful could be in line to be sent out of town.

From Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel:

With the addition of Oden, it is possible the Heat now look to move Anthony’s contract, which has two seasons remaining, as a means of reducing their luxury-tax bill, having recently released swingman Mike Miller under the amnesty provision due to such concerns. In addition, Varnado’s contract does not become partially guaranteed until opening night.

Because of the Heat’s position against the NBA’s luxury tax, Oden’s contract will cost the Heat roughly $2.6 million this coming season.

Anthony has become somewhat useless to the Heat as the team continues to to ignore traditional positional roles in favor of playing its most dynamic and devastating lineups. He averaged just 9.1 minutes per game this past season after playing a much more significant role the year before, and only got on the court for 15 total minutes in the seven games of the Finals, while receiving DNP-CDs in games 6 and 7.

Anthony is on the books for $3.8 million this season, and holds a player option for the same amount the following year. Miami would prefer to move him without taking back salary in return, but it remains unclear if other teams out there will be interested in taking on a player who’s shown a declining level of production at that price.

  1. ringjames - Aug 3, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Joel Anthony is a great pick and roll defender, I’m sure a team that wants to add that dimension to their defense would be willing to trade for him. Maybe the Bobcats?

    • kb2408 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      Dude, great and Joel Anthony should never be uttered together. He is arguably the worst player in the NBA. No team will trade for him (unless it’s for a bag of basketballs). If anything, they will simply wait for the Heat to release him and then sign him off waivers.

      • ringjames - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

        i guess you arent old enough to remember the Warden’s defense on Kevin Garnett in 2011. Joel swarms point guards then quickly scurries back to his man and contest shots. Heat players call him Avatar because he’s all over the place at once. He’s very underrated defensively, people only acknowledge his lack of an offensive game.

      • kb2408 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM

        Yeah, that explains why he rode the bench throughout the majority of the playoffs. He let a guy that didn’t even join the Heat until the second half of the season take his minutes. Hibbert was destroying Miami, so was Duncan but Spo still didn’t play the “Avatar”.

      • kinggw - Aug 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM

        Ringjames just explained to you why Anthony rode the pine for the majority of the playoffs. His offensive game is lacking. With teams doubling James and/or Wade every time they went into the paint they had to have a guy that would make them pay when they did so. Birdman was able to keep teams somewhat honest and thats why he got most of the minutes. That doesnt diminish Anthony’s defensive abilities.

      • 00maltliquor - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

        kb2408, sorry fam but you are absolutely wrong………..NOBODY would sign him off of waivers when he clears. Nobody. At all. IDK if even China would give his sorry ahss a look.

      • adamsjohn714 - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:06 PM

        Joel’s an average player. He gets a lot of blocks, and doesn’t commit many fouls. Numerous coaches and metrics rank him as one of the best pick and roll defensive big men in the league. Offensively he doesn’t do much for you, but he also doesnt take much away. He picks up easy buckets just hanging around the rim, and doesn’t do a bunch of stuff that he knows he’s no good at.

      • spthegr8 - Aug 4, 2013 at 12:47 PM

        The way ppl are talking about Joel on this thread, he must have a Twin brother that is ALOT better than he is?? I mean REALLY??? Are we all talking about Joel Anthony for the Heat?? The guy that wears number 50??

    • spthegr8 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:26 PM

      By move they mean cut right??? I couldn’t imagine Joel has much trade value!! Just Sayin’

      • kinggw - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        The NBA now has a salary floor, I think its around $53M and teams like the Sixers are below it. Riley and crew are counting on somebody needing some salary to get above the floro.

        Ideally, the Heat would trade the 1st round pick they got from the Sixers for Anthony, because they are never getting that pick.

        If the Hawks could move Joe Johnson’s albatross of a deal, anyone is tradeable.

    • casualcommenter - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM

      Anthony is a very good pick-and-roll defender, low-post defender, and screen-setter.

      He is an awful rebounder at the center position because he’s undersized (there’s a reason why the Heat don’t play him even when they’re getting killed on the boards), cannot catch passes, cannot consistently finish at the rim or in the paint, and he’s a mediocre free throw shooter.

      He’s completely fallen out of the Heat rotation as the Heat prefer playing Bosh out of position at the 5 than giving him playing time. The Heat aren’t going to get assets in return for Anthony. It’s far more likely the Heat will have to offer “sweeteners” like draft picks for a team to take Anthony.

    • onlyavoice - Aug 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      So Great He Sat For 99% Of The Time

  2. 1972wasalongtimeago - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    We’ll take Philly’s unprotected 2014 first round pick

    • hannsta - Aug 4, 2013 at 6:45 PM

      Haha!

  3. scorp16 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Somehow I don’t think Riley is done. I’m not good with cap related stuff, but I’m just wondering if we sign Mo Williams to a Vet minimum and deal Anthony and Chalmers that frees up 8 mil, along with the mini mid level …… Would that give the Heat an additional 11 mil for this year? For the record I don’t really want to trade Chalmers…..wouldn’t mind parting ways with Joel though. Just curious.

    • casualcommenter - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM

      The Heat right now have $80.4 million in salary committed for 2013-2014, a figure that includes Greg Oden at $1 million for this year but does not include Jarvis Varnado or a 15th Heat player. Assuming the Heat keep Varnado at $800k and sign Mo Williams for $1.4 million, that leaves them at $82.6 million with 15 players on the roster.

      If the Heat were to then trade Joel Anthony and Mario Chalmers but take back NO salary in return, that would create a $7.8 million trade exception ($3.8 million from Anthony, $4 million from Chalmers).

      The Heat would still be above the luxury tax line of roughly $72 million, meaning they would STILL only be allowed to offer the mini-mid-level exception of around $3.4 million plus minimum salary deals to free agents. However, they would have a “traded player exception” of $7.8 million, meaning they could trade for a player worth $8 million more than the player they trade away in exchange. That traded player exception is how the Lakers managed to trade for Steve Nash despite being over the luxury tax line – they could not have signed him as a free agent.

    • eventhorizon04 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:40 PM

      No. If the Heat do what you describe, they’d create an $8 million traded player exception, but they would still be above the luxury tax line if they somehow convinced a team to take Chalmers and Anthony without sending back salaried players in return.
      That means the Heat could trade for a player worth $8 million more than the players they gave up in that trade, but they still would only be allowed to offer a maximum of the mini-mid-level exception to free agents.

      • eventhorizon04 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM

        In other words – for teams above the luxury tax line, cap space from traded player exceptions (“trade exceptions”) can be used to acquire expensive players in trades but not to sign free agents.

        A famous example is the Lakers acquiring Steve Nash in a sign-and-trade a year after creating a trade exception by trading away Lamar Odom to the Mavericks. The Lakers could not have signed Nash as a free agent because they were above the luxury tax line, but because the Phoenix Suns worked with the Lakers, a trade was negotiated, and the Lakers were able to take on Nash’s $10 million salary using the $10 million trade exception.

      • palerider2x - Aug 4, 2013 at 1:19 AM

        Is that a ‘European’ or ‘African’ trade exception?

    • onlyavoice - Aug 3, 2013 at 8:12 PM

      Mo Williams Stinks & Is Injury Prone.
      If Mo Had Any Value He Wouldn’t Have Left & Would Start.

    • kingwithringz - Aug 3, 2013 at 9:30 PM

      @Scorp16 We’re not trading my Chalmers. He is clutch and getting better every year. Plus he shows up in big game’s.

      • 00maltliquor - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:29 PM

        True. Plus you don’t need Chalmers to be great or be a ball commanding PG when you got LBJ on the team. You just need him to, well…do exactly what it is he does. He fits in so perfectly with the team. Hits the 3, plays D, doesn’t command the ball, doesn’t command major minutes, but can play it all out when he has to, doesn’t shy away from the big moment either.

        Put him on another team and he is a bench-riding nobody, but with the Heat…he fills his role to perfection. Kinda like Kendrick Perkins when he played for the Celtics.

    • adamsjohn714 - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM

      Why would they want to pay money for something they don’t need. He was pretty poor for Utah last year. And to eventhorizon, getting Williams and losing Chalmers would be a really bad move. Chalmers is better, younger, and a contributing member of 2 straight championship rosters (for the hard to quantify and probably slight “Jell” factor).

    • byrdymann - Aug 4, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Sorry but Chalmers isn’t going anywhere because he is a better defender and shoots just as well as Mo WiIlliams. Mo would be a welcomed added piece if possible, thats all.

    • leahcima1 - Aug 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM

      You must have just arrived from another planet. Trading Rio is as likely as you becoming Riley’s assistant. Rio IS the Heat’s starting center, – period.

  4. kb2408 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Oden hasn’t played in over three seasons and has played the equivalent of one season since he left OSU…..isn’t talk about moving any big man on the Heat’s roster a tad bit premature?

    • kinggw - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM

      Considering he hardly played last year when Oden wasnt around, no.

    • eventhorizon04 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM

      In theory, it makes sense for the Heat to trade away Anthony since he’s no longer a member of the rotation, and they could replace him with someone at the minimum salary.
      In practice, the Heat would likely have to sacrifice assets like future draft picks to convince a team to take on Joel Anthony’s $3.8 million per year salary for 2 more years, and the Heat would likely be reluctant to sacrifice assets given the impending free agency of almost their entire roster in 2014.

      Micky Arison got tremendous salary tax relief with the amnesty of Mike Miller. Trading Anthony away would save a bit more money, but the savings would be much smaller, and I don’t think the Heat would see it as that worthwhile unless another team was willing to accept something small like a 2015 second round pick in exchange.

  5. 91devinhester23 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    ugliest mug in the nba

    • kb2408 - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:38 PM

      Obviously you haven’t seen Kendrick Perkins, who ironically is also in the running for the worst NBA player.

      • kingwithringz - Aug 3, 2013 at 9:33 PM

        Perkins was the man in Boston, chill out. Different system in OKC.

      • adamsjohn714 - Aug 4, 2013 at 2:42 AM

        It’s the same sport, Kingwithringz. He’s awful.

  6. jlluft - Aug 3, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Anthony has trade value to the SIxers. The Heat hold a Sixers first round draft pick if the Sixers make the playoffs in the next two years. If they don’t, the Heat get two second round picks from them the next year. If the Sixers take Anthony as a backup to rookie Noel and the pick is traded back to them as a part of the package (unlikely Sixers make the playoffs so all the Heat will get is two 2nd round picks they don’t need.) But the Sixers will get their first round pick (15th) back next summer and for a team rebuilding that is of considerable value. In addition, to the uninformed, Joel Anthony, despite playing on the second team had one of the best + / – stats on the team when he was on the floor because he plays good defense, blocks shots and on the offensive end sets great picks. He is fast and recovers on the weak side defense as well as anyone. Add that to getting their first round pick back and the Sixers would be foolish not to make this trade.

  7. dls612 - Aug 3, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    I like Joel, good defender decent rebounder. Only flaw he can’t finish around the rim. But he will play hard for you! And for some teams thats all you need! So someone would be interested.

  8. khendraghane - Aug 3, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    I love what a Joel brings to the table defensively. But he’s not reliable offensively. I would hate to see him leave Miami, but then again, Miami is a team that plays almost “position less” & doesn’t need a big man to get the job done. If they do let him go, I wish him well with whatever team he goes to next.

  9. bigdog46 - Aug 3, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    I wouldn’t cut him yet ! It too early to tell what will happen with oden.
    Anthony will come in handy when extra bodies is needed.

  10. 00maltliquor - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Jesus! What did Miami give him a 10 year contract!!?? He’s STILL on the hook next year??!!

  11. 00maltliquor - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    He’s got the Luke Walton contract of the East. Seemed like Luke’s contract was for eternity until we suckered the Cavs to take him on.

  12. crazylegs4 - Aug 3, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Joel did not hurt the Heat in the playoffs. What hurt the Heat was Joel didn’t play 5 to 10 minutes a game bringing his iintensity on defense. In 1970, I was a season ticket holder of the NY Knicks. They had a guy like Joel named Phil Jackson. Phil was called upon for 5-10 minutes per night of tireless defense. Knicks beat Lakers in spite of injury to Willis Reed. Spoelstra, who I totally admire, would have been well served to have utilized Joel. In one of the Heat’s losses, when Joel played the Heat reversed the momentum, when inserted. In the end though, the Heat was blown by San Antonio.. Joel is valuable. Trust Eric, trust.

    • adamsjohn714 - Aug 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM

      They had that guy. His name was Andersen. He was much better than Joel, and his insertion into the lineup was an incredible boost.

  13. emosnar - Aug 4, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    He needs to go to the Lakers. Then lakers go grab Anthony next year and watch Jordan and Pip . . I mean Kobe and Melo win two titles.

  14. skinsfanwill - Aug 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    I think the people that REALLY know basketball, know Spoelstra is an idiot for not bringing Anthony in the games more. Especially when Haslem was hurting. Anthony can flat out defend. A lost art in basketball nowadays. Defense wins championships. Ask Kevin Durant, Melo, and Steve Nash. All of whom can’t check anybody in the NBA.

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