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Pistons waive everyone’s favorite second-round pick, Kim English

Jul 11, 2013, 8:45 PM EST

Kim English, MarShon Brooks

Before the season, John Schuhmann of NBA.com surveyed rookies about their fellow first-year players.

The Pistons’ Kim English finished fifth for best defender and fourth for best shooter. He even received votes for “Which rookie will have the best career?” one of two second rounders to receive a nod for that most-important question.

English is, by all accounts, a pretty great guy. After overcoming stuttering problems earlier in his life, he’s become an outspoken leader with the oratory skills that allow his infectious personality to shine. There were certainly on-court reasons to believe he’d succeed in the NBA, but I think a lot of his support was based on people wanting English to thrive rather than rationally believing he would.

Unfortunately, English didn’t deliver on that hope during his rookie year. He shot 28 percent on 3-pointers and defended pretty poorly. Not only wasn’t he a 3-and-D player, he was neither a 3-nor-D player.

With the Pistons up to 14 players under contract plus their three 2013 draft picks (Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Tony Mitchel and Peyton Siva), there was no longer room to hold out hope for English, whose completely unguaranteed $788,872 contract becomes fully guaranteed tomorrow.

The Pistons waived English, according to Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press.*

English will go on waivers, where any team in the NBA can claim his minimum-salary contract. If English clears waivers, he won’t sign anywhere immediately, because a team that wanted him would have just submitted a waiver claim.

If unclaimed, he’ll likely get a shot in a training camp somewhere, and I suspect he hasn’t lost any fans, but gained only motivation.

*English will not immediately become an unrestricted free agent.

  1. tomshoe - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    You get rid of Kim English, but not Charlie “Team (Not Medical) Cancer” Villanueva?

    SMH.

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    • raidmagic - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

      I gave you a thumbs up based solely on that face palm graphic

    • ryanprzy - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:19 PM

      Villanueva’s contract is an asset. After four years of being plagued by it, it actually has value to the Pistons now, moreso as we move closer and closer to next season’s trade deadline…

  2. mrlitl - Jul 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Dude how long did that take? Waaaay too much free time. Nice anyway though.

    • helladonks - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:47 AM

      lrn2internet

  3. dgbk - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    I’m sure he copy and paste the face palm or use some type of program stongly doubt he sat there that long typing that out

    • dangernearing - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      Wow, you’re wicked smaht!

  4. mouth0fmadness - Jul 11, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    I sat behind Kim in a sociology class at Mizzou. Oratory skills? That might be a bit of a stretch, PBT. He could string a few coherent thoughts together, however, so the football players must have thought of him as some kind of hyper intelligent robot. Really nice guy with a good attitude though. I hope someone picks him up.

  5. lorddarkhelmet - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    I had high hopes for him. Hope he latches on with a team that can give him some minutes to develop.

  6. mtheparrothead - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Why does joe d still have a job? God I love my bad boy but ever since darco…..

    • helladonks - Jul 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM

      its hard for me to look back at our mid 2000’s run and the success we had then, including the championship, and think that he was still in charge. wtf happened?

  7. fm31970 - Jul 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Is he Alex English’s son by chance?

  8. barnesaintnoble - Jul 12, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    Joe Dumars is the luckiest and dumbest GM who has ever won a title. I don’t think he has a plan that he is following, he just says, “Oh, that guy was good, I’m going to sign him for way more than he’s worth!” He consistently wastes draft picks (English being one of them, great guy though) and fails miserably in the free agent signings. That 2004 Championship season was dumb luck with a roster of journeyman who found solid ground and a great coach. I just hope he continues to get fatter and fatter so eventually he’ll have to resign due to lack of mobility.

    • badintent - Jul 12, 2013 at 3:39 AM

      Dr Andrews had diagnosed Dumars with a severe case of Isiah Thomas disease of the brain. There is no cure.

    • snoopy2014 - Jul 12, 2013 at 5:53 AM

      Dumars is a perfect example of how hard it is to judge a GM based on his body of work (Brian Colangelo being another prime example). Both, at points in their careers, seemed like top executives in the league. What’s become fairly clear – when you look at Dumars entire body of work – is that he really isn’t that good of a GM. Yes, the Billups signing was good, but how much genius did it take to target the mercurial yet ultra-talented R Wallace? Dumars rode on the glow of that mid-2000s team for quite some time.

      Since then, he’s displayed the 1 trait common to almost all poor executives: a lack of plan or vision. Just incoherent FA signings, and a mix of hit-or-miss draft picks. There’s nothing more dangerous than Dumars with cap space. I won’t take anything away from him for those mid-2000s teams – Billups was a nice pickup, and seeing value in Ben Wallace took some foresight. But he’s been working on a rare level of suck since then.

    • 6thsense79 - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

      To call the 2004 Pistons championship simply “dumb luck” with “a roster of journey men” is simply dumb. Once Grant Hill decided to leave for Orlando Dumars salvaged the situation by getting Ben Wallace and Chuck Atkins in a sign and trade. He then signed Chauncey Bill ups and traded for Rip. In between he drafted Tayshaun and then added the final piece by trading for Rasheed.

      Starting in 2000 here are the Piston’s record under Joe:
      2000 – 32-50
      ’01 -’02 : 50-32 lost in conference semifinals
      ’02-’03: 50-32 lost in Conference finals
      ’03-’04: 54-28 Won NBA finals
      ’04-’05: 54-28 lost NBA finals (4-3 series lost)
      ’05-’06: 64-18 lost conference finals
      ’06-’07: 53-29 lost conference finals
      ’07-’08: 59-23 lost conference finals

      After ’08 the wheels fell off and the team hasn’t been to the playoffs since. My point is it is absolutely silly to try to attribute the success of Dumars’ first 8 years as GM to dumb luck and merely great coaching. The Pistons compiled that impressive 8 year run under 3 coaches: Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, and Flip Saunders. The one constant during that time was Joe Dumars and he did a magnificent job in a market that doesn’t attract high end NBA superstar free agent talent. You can rightly criticize him for the lousy teams of the past 5 years without trying to wrongly diminish what he accomplished his first 8 years.

      • dangernearing - Jul 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        STFU, dude

  9. bmoremike - Jul 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    I registered @ this moment , to this site just to validate the fact that 6thsense79 officially : SHUT ALL IGNORANT HATERS DOWN! LOL
    Facts are hard to refute..
    That’s the problem with most people these days, they hate the truth!

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