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One of the next big summer questions: How big an extension for John Wall?

Jul 7, 2013, 5:00 PM EDT

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Agent Dan Fegan has been a tad busy at the start of free agency, what with being one of the agents and key advisors to Dwight Howard and all.

But now that is basically done and Fegan can move on to another client and one of the other interesting questions of the NBA Summer:

What kind of extension should the Wizards give John Wall?

The two sides have yet to have formal discussions, reports That’s not a huge surprise, the two sides have until Oct. 30 to figure this out and both Fegan and the Wizards were active on other free agents and issues. The Wizards were busy getting a backup for Wall in Eric Maynor and resigning small forward Martell Webster.

But the Wall conversations are coming.

Of course, Wall wants a max extension (five years at around $80 million). Once healthy and back to form last season he played like the No. 1 pick the Wizards thought they were getting — in in his last 20 games his jump shot was falling and he averaged 23.9 points per game on 48.3 percent shooting and 41.7 percent from three, plus he has 7.8 assists per game.

However, I’m not sure he earned a max deal in the way James Harden had a year ago. The Wizards have said they plan to make a fair offer that will appeal to Wall and it is likely to be max or near it.

I think the best comparable is Stephen Curry — he had showed a lot of promise but had battled ankle injuries that threatened his productivity when it was time for his extension last summer. Curry and Golden State agreed to four years, $44 million. Then last season a healthy Curry had a breakout year and the Warriors look like they got a steal. That is a little more than what Rajon Rondo got off his rookie deal, which was a steal for Boston.

If they want, the Wizards could make this five years, $55 million and offer Wall an opt-out at three or four years. Prove you deserve the max and you can get it then. But that seems a good ballpark to land in.

However, we will see where they go. Now that free agency is starting to slow down, this becomes maybe the most interesting question of the summer.

  1. pmx8411 - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    I miss the good ol’ days when centers ruled the NBA

    • 00maltliquor - Jul 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

      Their contracts still do.

  2. bellerophon30 - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Let him do it for more than 20 games before throwing a max deal at him. I don’t blame him for asking mind you, but let’s see more healthy production before giving it to him.

  3. shrshot - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    I’m sure Ernie will screw this up somehow

  4. sellahh - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    I must be wrong here, but I thought players coming off of rookie contracts were able to get max contracts only in the range of 11-12 millions per year. I thought that would actually be the max for John Wall.

    • casualcommenter - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:52 PM

      Not exactly. The upper limit of a “max” contract rises every season, and varies from player to player based on factors such as their current contract and number of years of experience.

      Here’s a good explanation, modified from Wiki:
      The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is based on the number of years that player has played and the total of each team’s salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is 25% of the total salary cap (2013–14: $14,625,000).

      A player coming off his rookie scale contract is eligible to sign for 30% of a team’s cap if he was voted to start in two All-Star Games, was named to an All-NBA Team twice, or was named MVP. This was dubbed the “Derrick Rose Rule” after the 2011 MVP. Every team is allowed one “designated player” who receives a five-year maximum extension on his rookie scale contract.

      Wall has never made an All-Star/All-NBA Team or won MVP, so Wall could get a 5-year, with a per-year amount of roughly $14.6 million. More than your estimate, less than PBT’s.

  5. htownred34 - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    I think he’ll have a breakout year with this up and coming wizards team, they will probably just match anything for him, but somebody may offer him a max although he’s probably worth no more than what steph got paid (11 mil)

    • adoombray - Jul 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM

      That team won 29 games last year. The Suns won 25. Unlike the Suns, who killed it in the draft and upgraded in a big way with Eric Bledsoe, the Wizards…. resigned Martell Webster.

      The Wizards will be lucky to win 40 games last year. I haven’t seen any reason to think they are going to improve any, and the only reason John Wall is in the MAX conversation is because he was the first overall pick… in a bad draft.

      • sire2334 - Jul 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        Just a ridiculous comment…

      • silverandblackfan77 - Jul 8, 2013 at 4:01 AM

        Sorry dude but Otto Porter is a much more polished and pro ready prospect than Len so I think the wizards got a better present player than the suns

  6. 6thsense79 - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Wall is getting the Max. He is our best player and DC for some reason has an abysmal record for attracting top level free agents. We finally have some semblance of moving forward and losing Wall would be devastating. I thought Wall would be a restricted free agent though. Why don’t the Wizards just let another team make an offer and just match it?

  7. JMClarkent - Jul 7, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    His jumper, leadership and defense will be the key to his extension. I think this year will tell us a lot about his ceiling.

  8. EvanZ - Jul 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Curry is really not a good comparison (in terms of style or situation really). Curry was hurt before he got that extension. Wall played several months healthy. For Curry and the Warriors there was risk on both sides. Curry wanted to lock in $11M because he wasn’t sure he would get a max deal and had the risk of injury. For GSW, they wanted to lock Curry in because there was risk he could get a max contract.

    For Wall there really is no injury risk that will play into it above what it is for any player. On the flip side there is almost no doubt that if Wall plays to even the same level as he did at the end of the season, he will easily get a 4/60 offer from some team out there when he is a RFA and the Wizards will likely match whatever it is. There’s no advantage to Wall signing an extension early in this case, like there was for Curry. He knows he will get that max deal somewhere. Hell, look what Tyreke just got.

  9. drunkenjunk - Jul 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    I think Wall can be special. I know the sample size from last year was small but he’s the best hope for the wiz to do anything.

  10. sportsnut101 - Jul 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    No max deal for him sorry he hasn’t done anything n his team sucks. Well maybe this yr will be different

    4 yr 45 mill no. More then that

    • bibby505 - Jul 8, 2013 at 2:58 AM

      5-28 without Wall

      24-25 with Wall

      Taking the worst team in basketball & elevating them to a .500 club for the last 47 games of the season should count for something.

      They shouldn’t pay him more than 4yrs $45 million? Seriously, that’s his basement, his ceiling’s the max.

  11. Kevin Ferrigan - Jul 7, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Probably need to give Wall a max deal. He’s too talented not to keep and he has shown himself to be a difference maker when healthy. Wizards were so, so much better with him after he returned from his injury this year.

  12. jcrileyesq - Jul 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    only the wizards would have a max contract conversation over a guy who isnt even a top 10 point guard

    • thirdistheworrd - Jul 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

      I’m not really, really arguing with you, I think Wall has the potential to be a top-5 PG within the next five years, but whoever organized of my beer-n-kickball league would make a better GM than Ernie Grunfeld. However, what you need to realize is that teams only get better through getting better. It sounds goofy, but it’s true: NBA teams can’t attract stars, all-pros, or even mid-range talent unless they have something to build around.

      The Bullets could have offered Chris Paul 50 years-600 mil, and he still would have chosen LA, because he wants to win. Even if Wall can’t develop into a top-tier point guard, they won’t be able to attract a top-tier point guard without a “team” to bring him to DC. And they won’t be able to acquire this “team” without a player like Wall.

      Pure hypothetical- let’s say in 5 years, Trey Burke has become the greatest thing since sliced bread, and he’s entering FA. Meanwhile, DC has leveraged the young talent of Wall, Beal, and Porter into acquiring Kenneth Faried, Greg Monroe, and Paul George, and Bradley Beal has become a perennial all-star. Now Washington is a prime destination for a superstar point guard who wants to win championships.

      On the other hand, if DC dumps Wall, no difference-maker will want to play here for another fifty years.

    • bibby505 - Jul 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

      I think he just barely cracks the top 10.

      1. Cp3
      2. Westbrook
      3. Rose
      7. Curry
      8. Williams
      9. Wall
      10. Holiday

      If he can play like he did in March/ April last season (from Mar 1st on: 22.7 ppg/ 7.8 apg/ 4.8rpg/ 46.5% fg/ 34.4% 3fg/) he’s in the conversation for top 5.

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