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Report: Pistons offer Rodney Stuckey and Charlie Villanueva for Rudy Gay

Jul 3, 2013, 12:22 AM EST

Toronto Raptors' Gay scores against Detroit Pistons during their NBA basketball game in Toronto

The Pistons reportedly tried to trade for Rudy Gay before the Raptors got him from the Grizzlies. That move by Toronto was panned by most informed observers, because although Gay scores at a high clip (career 18 points per game), he’s very overpaid (owed $17,888,932 and $19,317,326* in the next two years) and very inefficient (career 48.4 effective field-goal percentage, though that’s a mark he hasn’t hit in the last three years).

Apparently, the Pistons weren’t paying close attention to the mocking directed at the Raptors, who are now under the direction of Masai Ujiri, aka not the guy who traded for Gay in the first place.

Somehow, the Pistons made a lowball offer and are still giving up too much.

The Pistons could have bought out Stuckey for just $4 million before July 1 and used the amnesty clause on Villanueva, a combinations of moves that would have cleared $7,599,644 in extra cap room. For that amount, a well-run team could have found a player of comparable value to Gay. It would have been more costly to Pistons owner Tom Gores in the short term, but he’s the one who declared, “tell the world, we’re ready to spend.”

Perhaps, there would be an as-of-yet unreported draft pick or two headed back the Pistons’ way – those are often left out of the initial leaks – and if that’s the case, this deal could turn beneficial for both sides. The Raptors probably want to dump Gay, and the Pistons don’t have many perimeter options in free agency.

But as reported, the Raptors would be getting a clear win.

*This is technically a player option, but it would be the most shocking upset in NBA history if Gay declines that much money.

  1. jaerba - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:31 AM

    My brain doesn’t know what to think.

    1. I do not like Gay and his absurd contract

    vs.

    2. We finally get rid of Charlie V

    I’m not thrilled, but I can’t be mad.

  2. pmx8411 - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    holy crap…17 mil and only 18 ppg?..smh

  3. atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    I agree with the Raptors unloading most of their talent (except for V and Ross) but they need to hang onto their draft picks, the team needs to tank to get the next superstar and the bonus is that next superstar is Canadian! Tank for Wiggins!

    • onlyavoice - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:48 AM

      The Raptors Tank Every Season

      • missthemexpos - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:36 AM

        Tanking every season = dysfunctional franchise.

      • thatstinks - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        When did tanking become the new Linsanity ?

  4. ruemie - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    Still in his prime, still time to become efficient. He may be a bit of a hucker, but he grabs some rebounds, steals the ball occasionally and shoots free throws well. SF is a hole on this team and you don’t want Singler or Jerebko starting in the NBA. This is why you clear cap space, go get him.

  5. bifford - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Makes sense for both sides. Detroit needs a small forward really bad, Toronto wants to tank for Wiggins. If Toronto gives up a pick- it sure isn’t going to be in 2014!

    • jaerba - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:58 AM

      The Pistons could just as easily tank for Wiggins as the Raptors, without giving up our best expiring contracts and taking on one of the most bloated contracts of all time.

  6. anonymousrm - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    What the hell is Dumars thinking!?

    • loubearkane - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:47 AM

      He see’s cap space clearing and getting uncomfortable

    • zeedoubleyou - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      Cap space and expiring contracts just burn a hole in that dude’s pocket.

  7. weaselpuppy - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:55 AM

    Look,l I get that he’s inefficient and somewhat of a ballstopper. But he plays D, fills the lane and can score at will against almost anyone… and he is way overpaid….

    Be that as it may;

    1) the pistons have cap room to burn and are not a high profile FA destination and will likely lose on their first or second choices. A trade makes sense, more sense than the awful contracts given to Ben Gordon and CV as a panic move 4 years ago.

    2) cv has gotten the least out of his talent tha anyone in the nba in decades. Complete waste who is a tall fat spot up shooter from 3 steps beyond the arc. No other discernable skill. Rodney is a tweener combo guard that can’t shoot can’t ply d and has a pissy attitude.

    Getting Gay and a draft pick is an absolute steal….

    • anonymousrm - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:49 PM

      Gay is not that good and will only get worse every year. I can’t believe Ujiri is passing on this trade. Maybe he thinks Dumars is a sucker enough to throw in a draft pick or two.

  8. kyd29 - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Is this a real trade offer? Who would want carlos villanueva?

    • scalfor3 - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:38 AM

      someone who wants to be bad enough to have a shot at wiggins

    • jaerba - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:52 AM

      The Raptors would want his expiring contract, not him as a player. Masaiah would 1. offload the terrible longterm contract they gave to Gay, 2. the Raptors would tank next season to get a good spot in the Wiggins sweepstakes and 3. Stuckey and CV’s expiring contracts would free them up for an extra 16m next year, which is probably the deepest FA class of all time.

      It would be a huge win for Toronto, and pretty embarrassing for Detroit. Yeah, SF is a need but there’s plenty of other SFs who aren’t commanding such a huge salary, plus next year’s draft is loaded with SFs.

    • patfic15 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:26 AM

      His brother Charlie…

  9. kinggw - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    Way too much is made of Gay’s being inefficient. He’s a career 45% shooter while shooting 34% from beyond the arc. You know who else has those same career numbers, Kobe Bryant.

    Gay is obviously not as good as Kobe, but it goes to show you how fickle analysts are. Mr. Feldman what player, thats not on his rookie contract is comparable to Gay and is not being wildly overpaid? Advanced statistics are great but they dont always tell the story. Memphis could have used some of Gay’s inefficiency against the San Antonio, maybe there wouldn’t have been 5 Spurs in the paint every trip down the floor. There are somethings Hollinger’s fancy stats don’t account for.

    • jaerba - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:05 AM

      First of all, Kobe is a high volume scooter. Gay dominates the ball almost as much except produces like 8pts less per 36 minutes. Second, Kobe’s ts% is like 7% higher than Gay’s. He may shoot the same fg but he is not as efficient.

      • jaerba - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM

        Scooter = scorer. D: Autocorrect. :/

  10. flyman2 - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:08 AM

    2 years of an overpaid Rudy Gay at SF is better than 4 years of an overpaid Andre Iguodala or Josh Smith at SF.

  11. sportsnut101 - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Gay is nice player overpaid yes but not his fault that was griz fault for offering it

    Why give up gay after half of a season n not for cap rom next yr. who u think wants to come to Toronto as free agent star no1 they come via trade or draft. If u really wanted to trade gay for expiring contracts n first rd pick. Make sure fields contract is included he’s overpaid def Why didn’t they make trade for Bledsoe

  12. detroitrollin22 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    In terms of best fit for the Pistons, I’d much rather have Rudy Gay than Iggy and Josh Smith. Gay is younger (26), a true SF, and is a better offensive weapon when it comes to floor spacing and the ability to shoot the 3.

    While Gay’s contract is high, it’s almost similar to the contracts we’d have to offer Smith or Andre Ig to come to Detroit (ie: Kings 4 yr- $52 mill to Andre).

    PG- Knight
    SG- KCP
    SF- Gay
    PF- Monroe
    C- Drummond

    Bench: Singler, Jonas, Mitchell, and Siva

    That roster wouldn’t be enough to win the championship, but it would be playoff worthy.

  13. money2long - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    so i see rudy gay is a nike’s foams kinda guy. all black. i’ve never had a pair.

  14. weaselpuppy - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    If this goes down, it would in a roundabout way, it woul be Dumars trading Prince Daye CV and stuckey for Gay and whatever Calderons cap space may bring…..redemption? Hoping that cap space can bring back Dragic or Vasquez or Teague….

  15. dezglobal - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    Joe D Needs to GO.

  16. weaselpuppy - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Does the author really think you can find someone comparable to Gays value ( however one may measure that, analytics or non-analytics) for $7.5m/yr for 2 years?), because that sounds upon review, well…ludicrous.

    guys like CV and Stuckey got $8.5m for 3 and 4 years, 3 and 4 years ago! They are nowhere near Gay’s value….that part seems obvious, as the author quotes their numbers right in the article….but let’s look at other more current deals for SF. Martell Webster-borderline starter on a crap team, $5.5m a year, Budinger, can’t play D, his per 36 numbers pale to Gay’s and he’s a terrible shooter… $5.5m a year….a 32 yr old AK47 is looking at 8+M a year…even a better player by a decent margin, Iguodala, is looking at at least $12M a year for 4 years and is 3 yrs? older….

    yes, Gay is overpriced. The Pistons may be the one team that doesn’t care because they aren’t getting a seat at the table in any of the FA talks so far…but to say you can get Rudy Gay’s equivalent for $7.5m? Crazy talk….takes 5 minutes of research to blow that out of the water….

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