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Report: Clippers pull out of talks with Celtics

Jun 18, 2013, 12:45 PM EST

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Trade deals come back to life more often then Freddy Krueger. I’m not willing to believe this deal is dead until I see real evidence.

Meaning the Clippers hire another coach (Lionel Hollins, Brian Shaw or Byron Scott) or the Celtics announce they will keep Paul Pierce and not buy him out. Until then, anything is possible.

But the report from Broderick Turner of the Los Angeles Times is that the Clippers have pulled out of trade talks with the Boston Celtics that would have brought Kevin Garnett and the rights to sign Doc Rivers to Los Angeles for DeAndre Jordan and a couple first round draft picks.

Multiple other reports say this is not only dead but in the coffin and buried. We will see.

Celtics GM Danny Ainge has called Doc Rivers to say the talks are off and that he wants Rivers back as the Celtics’ coach, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo. That is essentially telling Rivers he can be a broadcaster next season but not a coach anywhere but Boston. Does Doc want to come back? What about Garnett, or is he ready to retire? Do the Celtics buy out Pierce or make one more run with this group, getting they all to come back? That is still on the table.

If this is really dead, the Clippers will hire a new coach. The question is why not move agree to the picks and move all in to win right now?

The Clippers will have Scott in to meet with owner Donald Sterling on Tuesday, Shaw again on Wednesday. It would be very Sterling to decide not to pay Rivers $7 million a year (these other coaches come for half that or less) and lay the blame on the Celtics demanding what would be a late first-round pick. If the Clippers did they would be in win-now mode (they should be anyway) and the pick doesn’t mean much.

While some will suggest this means Chris Paul will look around as a free agent, nobody around the NBA thinks Paul is leaving the Clippers. Not even the dreamers in Houston and Atlanta.

As we have reported before, these conversations started with Celtics GM Danny Ainge asking for Jordan, Eric Bledsoe and two first round picks, and talks “died” once when the Clippers refused to put Bledsoe in the deal for KG and Rivers. Those talks evolved into the Clippers using one pick but maybe taking on Jason Terry and sending Caron Butler to Boston (the Clippers take on the longer contract). Then that part of the deal seemed to fade away and it came down to picks to go with Jordan, and that couldn’t be worked out. Complicating matters were the facts both Jordan and Terry have trade kickers. Pierce was never really part of these talks, that would have been a separate deal.

But is this deal really dead? The sources will say so but I will wait for evidence. The Clippers could wait until July 1 and likely the same pieces would be available. Unless they move forward and actually do hire a coach in the next few days.

  1. 4thquartermagic - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Deal isn’t dead for one reason:

    Clippers want Chris Paul, Chris Paul wants Doc Rivers

    Just posturing by the Clips.

  2. jcmeyer10 - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    I feel like the damage has been done with the younger guys.

    • mysterious - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      thats what im most worried about. Though i think no public comments from doc rivers will help save face.

  3. zeapelido - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    KG probably will only make it another year, so that 2nd pick has a lot of value in that the Clippers probably won’t have one of the top W/L records in 2014-2015.

  4. senorpapino - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Clippers fail yet again. When you are a 55-60 win team, first round draft picks do not matter. Well worth it IMO for the upgrade at coach and the veteran leadership of KG (who is still a better player than Jordan as well).

  5. sportsnut101 - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Smart move for clips.

    They can use the 2 first round picks in a better deal with Sumone else if they wanted to

    Garnett is 37 people are u gonna trade ur future for one yr

    Danny Ainge greedy again. Why isn’t he fired as gm yet Clips should of said gimme Garnett avery Bradley for a 1st n a 2nd with deandre

  6. kchristainsen - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Clips are screwing themselves. If they want CP3 back, i would think DOC and KG would be the answer. You know their trying to save their pieces for other deals and the Celtics rightfully are not caving in.

  7. telergy - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Few things here …

    We are seeing a classic case of how to negotiate in this situation…

    Ainge starts high on his initial demands…requesting that Bledose be part of the deal, and has since rumored to come down to accepting Deandre and 2 picks.

    Clippers have all the leverage but are short on time because Hollins, Shaw, etc can get swooped up any minute by other teams. They’d love to have Doc and KG but for cheap.

    By Clippers announcing theyre out, …. the media may scrutinize them for botching the trade over 2 picks. I mean … more than likely this will be a low pick so what are you really giving up?

    What I think happens by end of the today is Hollins will get signed or Clippers will do the deal.

    The Clippers SHOULD do the Rivers KG deal and try and trade for Howard…but we know theyre a horrible organization from the top down and make dumb decisions all the time so don’t expect much.

    • wlubake - Jun 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      If they send Jordan to Boston, who are they trading for Howard? KG? Griffin? Not happening.

  8. dezglobal - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    The C’s need to do something.. They can’t contend anymore and Doc is probably sick of looking at Paul Pierce’s weird facial hair growth.

    • jcmeyer10 - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      When my facial hair comes in patchy I like to say I’m suffering from PPD (Paul Pierce Disease). It’s when the sideburn part doesn’t connect with the mouth part and it just looks weird.

  9. azarkhan - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    The Clippers finally did something right. Not sure why they thought Coach Rivers and a 37 year old Kevin Garnett would enable them to compete for the Western Conference championship, especially when you consider what they would have to give up.

    • paleihe - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      Giving up Deandre Jordan and picks for Garnett + Rivers is an absolute STEAL for the Clips.

    • andyhr17 - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

      …they would have to give up DeAndre Jordan and two back draft picks. In return you get one of the better coaches in the league, a HOF players that will not fill up the box score but automatically makes your team defense MUCH better and acts as a second coach on the court, and the inside track to get Pierce to join them. Yeah. That team wouldn’t be better AT ALL……

  10. valarmorghuliss - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Report: Clippers come to their senses

  11. mysterious - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    As a Celtics fan, I’m overjoyed this didn’t go through. I hate Deandre Jordan’s game, and if you need evidence look no further than the first round of the playoffs. Zero impact.

    I think the Clippers were being pretty unreasonable here. Its pretty simple, if you don’t want to give up Bledsoe, you need to take on salary. If you don’t want to take on salary, send us Bledsoe. They essentially wanted to not take on salary and not give up anything good. Where is the incentive for the Celtics? Please don’t point to Deandre Jordan.

    • Wammy Giveaway - Jun 18, 2013 at 4:34 PM

      From what I’m getting at, the reason why the Clips don’t want to give the Celtics two picks is because then they’ll be unable to trade for Dwight Howard. The Lakers will want a draft pick as a form of insurance. Now, if the Clips and Chris Paul do think Griffin is still young and needs time before he can truly win a championship, a package of Griffin-Bledsoe-pick sounds more appealing than just two young players.

      It’s not just the Celtics who need rebuilding, it’s the Lakers as well.

  12. valarmorghuliss - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Gotta laugh at Boston fans thinking the Clip need this trade.
    No they don’t, the C’s do.

    Go ahead and not try and get this deal done, stand pat with what you have, you have a sinking ship that’s going nowhere.

    • mysterious - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

      gotta laugh at your analysis. Clips were healthy minus griffin for like 1 game and they got thrashed in the first round of the playoffs. Tell me how this team is going to compete for a championship PLEASE hahaha

      • valarmorghuliss - Jun 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

        The Clip are closer to a Championship than the Celtics
        The C’s are circling the drain

    • azarkhan - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      You’re right. Celtics fans are upset because they know the Celtics are a sh*tty, old team going nowhere.

  13. telergy - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    .. Rivers is a WINNER. Championship coach..regarded as one of the best coaches in the league. KG , at 37, can still play D at a high level and can hit down a 10-15 ft jump shot CONSISTENTLY. Jordan and Blake dont mesh because they have limited skill sets. KG on the team would at least spread the floor and allow Paul to penetrate and dish for easy assists. He’d also bring leadership and an attitude that might rub off on Blake.

  14. chargerdillon - Jun 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Donald Sterling realized doing this would mean he’d have to spend serious money on some talented stars, and as soon as he realized that, deal was off the table.

    The only thing that has ever kept the Clippers from being a successful franchise is the man who owns the franchise.

  15. coryfor3 - Jun 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    The Clips have the Celtics over a barrel here. The Celtics have to get something done. Rivers can’t come back and coach the same team and the Celts can’t let him walk and get nothing where they could get at least something. The Clips can’t stand pat and win or keep their momentum they’ve built without improving. Celts have every reason to get this done and that is why the Clips aren’t budging on what they are willing to give up. Celts can free themselves of Garnett’s salary and contract, Pierce’s too and then trade Rondo for some value and go into full rebuild mode. Golden opportunity.

    • mysterious - Jun 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      KG’s deal has 2 more years on it, Pierce’s 1 more, so Celtics don’t need to “free” themselves of anything. Rivers CAN come back, and the Celtics can also ensure that he doesn’t get the opportunity to coach someone else. The Celtics aren’t going to have a fire sale of their best players and take pennies on the dollar when the team would win 45-50 games and be competitive in the playoffs.

      Clips are missing a golden opportunity to become serious contenders by being so damn cheap. PS Deandre Jordan sucks.

  16. censormynameandmycomments - Jun 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    This trade never made any sense. First of all, no way the Clip even consider moving Bledsoe until CP3 resigns. Second, what makes the Celtics think an old, wheels falling off, about to retire KG and a coach who doesn’t want to come back to Boston anyway is worth a young big man, multiple picks, and a young PG? They should have taken DJ and whatever picks they could get and considered themselves lucky that they got anything at all. Celtics are greedy and the Clip aren’t that stupid.

    • mysterious - Jun 18, 2013 at 2:16 PM

      1. With this move, it would have assured CP3 returns.
      2. Have you watched KG at all the past 3 seasons? Hes still going strong
      3. Deandre Jordan sucks
      4. again, Deandre Jordan sucks
      5. Clips instantly become a contender with KG and Rivers.

  17. kb2408 - Jun 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    The C’s are a mess. Back to mediocrity.

  18. mackcarrington - Jun 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Just the Clippers being the Clippers.

  19. 32magicman - Jun 18, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    If all these proposed deals went through it would leave the clips with a line up of chris paul pg, jamal crawford sg, paul pierce sf, kevin garnett pf, dwight howard c and chauncey off the bench. Wow.

  20. paulhargis53 - Jun 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Uff kb2408(lakerluver) You didn’t get any smarter on your hiatus did you? The lakers ate a bigger mess than the Celtics….but I bet you got l.a. in the finals again this year Dont you dummy?

    You’re still the biggest dunce on here.

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