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Where does Celtics’ Rivers, Garnett trade to Clippers stand? They’re talking.

Jun 17, 2013, 12:08 PM EDT

Celtics forward Garnett and head coach Rivers react to a foul called on Garnett in the second half of their NBA basketball game against the Atlanta Hawks in Atlanta. Reuters

UPDATE 5:45 pm : This is getting close.

The Celtics have agreed no Eric Bledsoe but they want the Clippers to take on one of their bad contracts, either Jason Terry or Courtney Lee. How that shakes out is really all that’s left, according to multiple reports.

12:08 pm: If you’re a Clippers fan who thinks adding Kevin Garnett and Doc Rivers to your bench is what puts you over the top (and it might), we have some good news on that trade front.

The two sides are still talking.

If you’re a Boston fan who wants to see Doc coaching KG and Paul Pierce for the Celtics next season, know that could still happen, too.

A lot of things are up in the air. The Clippers/Celtics trade talks that stalled out over the weekend are not dead, the two sides are trying to find a middle ground, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.

The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers are discussing possible compromises to including guard Eric Bledsoe into the Kevin Garnett-Doc Rivers deal with hopes of completing an agreement on Monday, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

It’s all stuck on the same points as before. The deal would send Kevin Garnett (who would waive his no-trade clause) and the rights to sign Doc Rivers to the Clippers (Rivers has three years, $21 million left on his deal with the Celtics, he would be let out of that). The Clippers would sign Rivers to a deal similar in money to what he is getting in Boston.

DeAndre Jordan would be headed back to Boston, it is the rest of the package where the two sides disagree. The Celtics want Eric Bledsoe and q first round pick (it used to be two, but that changed). The Clippers want to send out just Jordan and the pick, the want to keep Eric Bledsoe (to flip later in a different deal). After a game of chicken for a few days, the two sides are trying to compromise. Meanwhile, the Clippers have a second interview with coaching candidate Brian Shaw and could hire him or Lionel Hollins and just move on.

If that deal happens a second trade sending Pierce to the Clippers would try to be hammered out at a later date.

If this deal does fall apart, don’t be shocked if Celtics GM Danny Ainge gets everybody back for one more run in Boston. Reports are all the parties — Rivers, KG and Pierce — are open to the idea. If Ainge does not buy out Pierce that is still a real possibility.

Whatever happens, look for it to come down in the next 48 hours.

  1. patfic15 - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    I’m a Celtic fan…but please let this thing be blown up. Unless they are considering bringing in some young talent, its time to move on. Of course I’m sure they are watching the Spurs and thinking… Let’s go one more.

    • loungefly74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      the problem now is the locker-room will be awkward IF Doc stays…I can see a lot of players, including Rondo, not playing tough for him. I think there is no turning back; Doc has to go, KG with him (so much for that Celtic loyalty)…and sadly, possibly Paul Pierce, whom I have great respect for…

      • andyhr17 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        If KG accepts a trade to try to play for a winner how can you criticize his loyalty? He’s not demanding to be traded to a winner just to get away from the team. He’s in the twilight of his career. Why would he want to come back to a team that’s going into full rebuilding mode?

      • bougin89 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        Not sure how Garnett hasn’t been loyal. He was loyal in Minnesota and has been loyal in Boston. This would be the Celtics trying to jump start a rebuild by trading him, not Garnett forcing his way out.

      • loungefly74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM

        relax…just poking fun at C fans. it all stems from “talk of KG being an all-time Celtic great”…which, I think he is not…

    • 4thquartermagic - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

      Hope this happens for no other reason then to see KG’s face the moment a brave reporter asks;

      “Kevin, last year you were very critical of Ray Allen’s decision to leave Boston for Miami, how is this any different?”

      • andyhr17 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

        Why do people keep making these comparisons? Ray left via free agency to chase a title while his former team was still a playoff team in the East. Garnett may be traded in a deal involving his coach as the team moves towards full rebuilding mode where he wouldn’t fit in at all.. The dude played forever in Minnesota without demanding a trade. He’s proven he is loyal.

      • 4thquartermagic - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM

        KG has a no trade clause so he would prove his loyalty by waiving it?

        My comment was tongue and cheek but you have to admit KG getting so angry at Ray was over the top.

      • andyhr17 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        Yeah, it was over the top, but what does KG ever do that is not over the top? He has the intensity of an ax murderer.

        Where is the loyalty from the Celtics by asking him to waive his no trade clause? It works both ways.

      • 4thquartermagic - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        Meh. Neither the city nor KG will hold a grudge in this case. Boston knows their window is closed and KG acknowledges if he stays it’ll be an entirely different team then the one he loved.

        The more important question is, how does this trade make Clippers better?

      • andyhr17 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

        Doc is a MUCH better coach than VDN and Garnett on the floor instantly makes you a top defensive team. Boom. They’re better. Garnett is not an individual star anymore as far as filling the box score, but he makes your team much better.

        I also agree with your first statement. Neither side should hold a grudge.My only point was to those questioning KG’s loyalty, which shouldn’t be questioned. There is no such thing, and should not be any such thing, as blind loyalty.

      • 4thquartermagic - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

        While I agree a team is better with KG on it, the Clippers are NOT “one player away” from a championship. Renting KG for a year won’t offset Deandre Jordan and Bledsoe’s production next year and in subsequent years.

        I do agree that Doc is an upgrade to VDN. But I think the criticism of him is a bit harsh. People need to realize that the Clippers were/are a “nice/fun” team but “great” team is a bit of a stretch. VDN getting too much of the blame.

  2. loungefly74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    a little surprised KG waived his “no-trade” clause…telling us he will “chase the ring”. hey, more power to him but definitely shows and proves a previous argument about whether KG should have his name hanging in the rafters in Boston…a resounding NO. no way.

    Boston is at a crossroads. Ainge said he wouldn’t make the same mistake older management did with the original Big Three from the 80’s….we will see!

    • loungefly74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      i read that wrong…KG did not waive his “no trade clause” yet…my bad. thanks for clarifying halfbaht.

    • ryanrockzzz - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      You say “chase the ring” like that’s not what he’s really doing. If that was the case wouldn’t he just stay on a worse Boston team and play out his career in a city he already knows?

      I agree this team is at a crossroads. Boston has to either go down Denial street, or they can get a fresh start. Trading for some younger talent would only benefit this team in the future. The cast they have assmebled obivously is not elite anymore, and their trade value goes down with every day and year that goes by. If they keep the same core of players, they will make the playoffs as a 5/6 seed and may win a round, but certainly can’t compete with Miami Indiana, New York, or a healthy Bulls team with Rose.

    • andyhr17 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      So if a player leaves a team he can’t get his number retired? with the way the league is nowadays you’re pretty much saying no player will get his number retired anymore.

      • loungefly74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:59 PM

        not completely true…lots of players should have their number retired. KG should…in Minny…but not Boston. The bar has to be extremely high to get your name in the rafters. Just can’t let any player get that done. KG has not earned that in Boston…but…

        Paul Pierce has…who else? Kobe, Duncan, Tony Parker, Iverson in Phily, Wade, Dirk, and may be a couple others…that’s it. you were right though, there has to be an enduring long connection between the player and the city. Guys like Kidd, Ray Allen, KG, etc…may have missed out due to ill-timed departures…

  3. cantonbound13 - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Garnett for Jodan only & get Shaw.

  4. halfbaht - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    First of all, blowing it up this season won’t change anything. Better keeping the band together for one more run. We owe The Truth that alone after all the years he’s given us. KG as well. Even if we only finish 5th seed, it’s still better than blowing up now. It also gives younger guys like Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger more time to learn their craft from 2 of the best to have played the game. Secondly, KG hasn’t waived his no trade clause. Read the article, it says he would have too, not that he already has. KG and Pierce deserve to go out in clover green!

  5. halfbaht - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    @loungefly74 why shouldn’t KG have his jersey in the rafters? The Truth is obviously going to get his #34 up there first, but I don’t see why KG shouldn’t eventually get his #5 up there. He embodies what it means to be a Celtic

  6. sportsnut101 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Why do we care. Clips over rated

    Cp3 is not going to lead them to a ring sorry fans

    Why do they want garnet for one yr he’s under contract for 2 more yrs

    Howard would be smart to stay away from clips. Just go to Houston u n harden plus shooters I can see them in finals sooner then clips

  7. wlubake - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Why would L.A. think Boston would even consider doing this for DeAndre Jordan and a low first round pick? I’d have to think the only way they do this is if Garnett and Doc have said they are gone one way or another (retirement if not traded/released).

    As a fan of a team hoping to get Paul to at least listen to your pitch, you have to hope this falls apart.

    You also have to wonder if Ainge gets Bledsoe, are they looking to deal Rondo?

  8. silverandblackfan77 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    If the celtics do ditch doc rivers I would hire Lionel Hollins he has experience building a team and after doing this the Celtics would need it

    • andyhr17 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM

      Anyone except VDN

  9. jerrysshadescleaner - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Boston should really blow it up, if u can get picks n good players for a coach and 35 n ovr yr old players, do it, build around rondo n u guys will b just fine. Differnce btween spurs 3 n boston is simply the supporting class that took time to develop for a couple a yrs, which boston doesnt have time to do.

  10. bigmeechy74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Spoiler: Nothing will happen and they will have the same team in Boston this year. They have been talking about blowing it up for the past 3 years but they never do

  11. jbeagles23 - Jun 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Does any of this matter if cp3 leaves the clippers? If they got pierce and garnet he could take a little less money an stay there and have a shot or a year or two. But if he would take less there maybe him and Dwight go to Houston and take less to team up with harden and have a chance for many years to come. He’s clearly not 100 percent sold on la

  12. albanyjints - Jun 17, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    If this deal happens, where does that leave the Celtics with respect to cap space? Does it put them in the position to go after a major fish in a year or two? Does anyone know?

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