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Lakers unlikely to sign and trade Dwight Howard to the Clippers, Rockets, or anyone else

Jun 16, 2013, 12:31 PM EST

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When the reports started flying of a possible deal that would net the Clippers Kevin Garnett and head coach Doc Rivers from the Celtics, Dwight Howard‘s name got thrown in the mix at some point as someone that L.A.’s historically junior team would then like to pursue.

Talks have stalled between the Celtics and Clippers for now, but the report that the Clips have weighed offering Blake Griffin and Eric Bledsoe to the Lakers in a sign-and-trade package for Howard had plenty of people wondering where the Lakers stand on potential scenarios involving Dwight should he decide he wants out of the Forum blue and gold as a free agent after July 1.

Marc Stein and Ramona Shelburne of ESPN.com have put together a handy list of updates, some of which we’ll discuss.

Yet the Lakers also, according to sources, have not completely ruled out the idea of a sign-and-trade if they come to find next month that Howard is determined to leave. Sources say they are indeed leaning against sign-and-trade scenarios because they’d rather bank the resultant cap space from Howard’s departure for the summer of 2014. But sources say they’ve adopted a keep-all-options-open approach. So they’ll at least listen to just about anything.

Of course the Lakers will listen, but they’re highly unlikely to do anything to help Howard go somewhere else. And, especially publicly, L.A. isn’t going to put it out there that this is a course of action that they’d be fine with, because all that would do would give Howard even more choices of where to play next season somewhere other than for the Lakers.

Now, if there’s a ridiculous package on the table involving young star players who are clearly franchise cornerstones, then it becomes slightly more tempting. But it’s unclear if Griffin (and certainly Bledsoe, who’s become a bit overrated showing flashes in short stints off the bench in L.A.’s monster media market) is exactly that, and again, the Lakers want to re-sign Howard, so they’re going to shut down these conversations at a very early stage until and unless a truly amazing offer presents itself.

There’s also the unlikely prospect of the Lakers doing anything to help their Staples Center co-tenants, for a variety of reasons. But apparently, a deal with the Clippers isn’t completely out of the question.

One source with knowledge of the Lakers’ thinking said Saturday that any suggestion they could not philosophically allow themselves to make a major trade with the Clippers was “overblown.”

This goes back to that “listening” thing. You can’t ever say never, but the Lakers are the team with the banners in the building, and they’re definitely not looking to do anything that could result in a red, white and blue one being hung on the wall for the very first time.

This next one’s my personal favorite.

[S]ources say that the Rockets will certainly attempt to convince the Lakers to take in return Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin in a sign-and-trade deal for Howard, thus theoretically keeping alive the possibility that Houston could preserve its cap space to pursue Chris Paul and possibly pair Howard with Paul.

LOL, as the kids say.

Look, the Rockets are a team that has a history of acquiring assets that on the surface seem appealing before trading them away. But the Lakers aren’t a trial-and-error, experimental organization. As long as they have Kobe Bryant on the roster, it won’t be about dealing for players who might be a fit, eventually, or in the right situation. It’s about certainty and winning championships in Los Angeles, so the Lakers will not be taking on salary of borderline players when the end result could be the creation of a superteam in Houston that would be firmly in the Lakers’ way on the road to a title.

If Dwight Howard chooses to leave the Lakers, the team is most likely to let him do so without getting anything in return. They’d rather shed the salary (and the associated luxury tax penalties) and get right financially by creating salary cap space for 2014 to pursue someone who actually wants to play for one of the league’s most storied franchises.

The Lakers aren’t going to help Howard go play somewhere else, and they aren’t going to help another team build a legitimate contender. As always, the Lakers will do things their way, and it’s pretty difficult to argue against their long-term success and championship-level results.

  1. rickditka - Jun 16, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    This dude will never put forth the effort to be a champion.

    • elcapitanfiscal - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      Why does lebron get more hate than this clown?

    • zxrated - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM

      Letting Howard walk is just plain stupid. Howard averaged 17/13/2 coming off back surgery. Duncan is in the finals with the same numbers.

      Resigning Howard is, and should be #1 priority but if the feeling is he’s gonna walk, you absolutely do the sign and trade with the Clippers. Bledsoe, Griffin & Nash can all be put on the trading block as bait in 2014. Having them on roster is better than the uncertainty of simply letting Howard walk and getting nothing in return. It’s no sure thing players like LeBron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh & Randolph will be opting out in 2014.

      I could see Griffin and Gasol being a really good one two punch in the post. Gasol would get the low post touches he needs and Griffin could continue to do what he does best, catch lobs and collect offensive rebounds. Bledsoe would allow Nash to play less minutes. With Blake Nash, Meeks and Bledsoe you could have a solid rotation at PG and SG with or without Kobe to start the 2013 season.

      Kobe could also slide over to SF at times, like he did with Vujacic and Farmar in 09. That trade would immediately make the Lakers more versital coupled with fixing the too old, too slow backcourt defensive issues.

  2. fiyeaglesfiy - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Dwight to the Clippers is about as likely as Jerry pulling off the roommate switch…ménage a trois anyone?

    To not resign with the Lakers, who traded for him a year ago with the intent of building their future around him and end up staying in the same city…that’s dangerous.

    After the PR hit he just took in Orlando, to leave the

    • badintent - Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

      Waiting for Jimmy Buss to screw the pooch on D12……………………..

  3. sylpkt - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    3 way trade w/ Clips, Magic and Celtics.

    Clips get: Garnett, Afflolo, Rights to Doc and sign Pierce w/ midlevel exception

    Magic get: Rondo, Celts 1st (16)

    Celts get: Bledsoe, D. Jordan, Magic 1st (2nd overall), Cips 1st (25) and cas from Clips for buyout of Pierce

    Clips start CP3, Afflolo, Pierce, Griffen and Garnett

    Magic rebuild w Rondo and young talent

    Celts start Bledsoe, Bradley, Green, Sullinger, Jordan and get either Noel or McLemore in draft

    who says no?

  4. JMClarkent - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    I think that if the Lakers are presented with the option to 1. Lose D12 for nothing or 2. Get anything useful back in return, option #2 wins 10/10 times.

    • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      Then you’d be wrong 10/10 times. Outside of Griffin, none of these guys mentioned help the Lakers be a title team. Do they make them better than they would be without Howard and getting nothing back? Yeah. Does that interest the Lakers? No

      These are the Lakers, not the Nets. They don’t want a team that is relevant. They want a team that hangs banners. If you aren’t bringing in players they think can take them to a title with THIS core, the cap space is more useful than any of those players.

      Your comment smacks of having no clue how the financial system in the NBA works. If you are giving up a star, you are better off keeping the money than you are taking bits and pieces that are not on a start level and no space, 9/10 times

      • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        For the record, I don’t think Griffin makes them a title team either. Too many holes in his game, but he is the only guy I’ve seen mentioned with the talent to become that guys, too bad Kobe will be long gone by then

        (oh, and on my previous post, saving the money is better because you can use it to get another star)

      • illegalblues - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        i think you need to take a good long look at the lakers’ finances. losing howard isn’t going to give them room to sign someone else.

      • JHathwell - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:28 PM

        This is patently untrue. While it’s never going to be in the Lakers plan to rebuild, the recent success of Denver and Orlando’s trades proves you can take back a package of assets for a superstar and use it to rebuild as orlando is doing, or to sustain or improve your team as Denver has.

        I do agree that the only S & T worth doing for the Lakers is the Griffin one. If they have a chance to pick up a superstar like Blake for the departing Howard the absolutely HAVE to do that.

      • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

        but it would next year. Bringing in the same salary in a sign and trade makes it so they are stuck for year. Can they sign someone now? No

        Can they sign a max guy next year? Yes

        Not possible if you sign and trade howard. Maybe you should take a better look, or work on comprehension

      • JMClarkent - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        I agree. I’m sure that they would be much happier to lose him for nothing. A team that is grossly over the cap would be much smarter to get an average piece than leave empty handed. Toronto and Cleveland said the same thing, in the end look how things went down with Bosh and James.

        They can be stupid and leave STILL well over the cap, or intelligent and at least get something to build with.

      • elcapitanfiscal - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM

        Everything would be easier if Kobe took a paycut..

        He’s making over 30 million next year!

        He’s hurting his team more than helping

      • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:22 PM

        Denver is a best case scenario for what can happen if you trade a star for pieces, I completely agree.

        What did it get the Nuggets? A team full of good, not great players that has no shot against the elite teams in the playoffs.

        Anybody on this site think that is an acceptable outcome for the lakers?

    • JMClarkent - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM

      …and to clarify, I do not think that they will take Lin and Asik; Lin has an awful contract. I am just saying that they will get something (even if it is a late round pick/ prospect/ a young expiring or two).

  5. bucs24 - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Really you get a better pg than you had so u get younger build around Bledsoe and Blake not a bad start

    • fanofevilempire - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      that’s what I say, you pair them with a healthy Kobe and maybe trade Gasol for some picks
      or cap friendly contracts, Lakers have cap problems and not to much talent and they have
      a older Kobe so they have to move quick to maximize his game.

      • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        Who would give up picks and cap friendly contracts for Gasol?

        If they sign and trade Howard, they still have no space, and have to get the other team to eat a boatload of salary to take Gasol. They can take on virtually nothing. Knowing that, why would any team give them picks, or any assets with any value?

        I swear, Lakers fans act like other teams just have to give them what they think they should get because they are the lakers

    • aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM

      I’d rather just go after bledsoe when he’s a free agent next year. Dwight is one of the A list superstars in the league, you just don’t trade those guys, I don’t care who you get in return.

  6. soundsofsuccess7 - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    I mean if they give us Blake I don’t see why dealing with the Clippers is forbidden.. That’s an obvious win for LA with how bad Dwight’s mind and performance are.

    • kb2408 - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

      Blake is good, BUT is he “that” good? I happen to think he’s a bit overrated. Great athlete, exciting, draws fans but no low post game and no defense. And, as for Bledsoe, he has backup written all over him. He’s a good player but will probably never be a good starting pg. The LAKERS had one of those players when they had Ramon Sessions.

      • aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

        Bledsoe is more than a backup in my opinion. His offense isn’t great, but he has potential to be defensive player of the year. That being said, it’s a lot easier to find a role player like bledsoe than the best center in the league. Lakers can find a defensive point guard like norris cole next summer without having to trade Dwight, as you can see this rumor is coming from the clippers, not the lakers.

      • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM

        Lakers don’t need a defensive minded PG with Howard. They need a penetrator who can dish, and give lobs to howard (since he had no post game) Guards that aren’t great defenders but can light it up from the outside are the perfect compliment to Howard

        Guard that are defense first, and struggle from the outside, make Howard worthless. Teams will just challenge the guards to shoot, and collapse on Howard

      • aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

        @Somekat, i agree, but I think kobe can be that guy that sets up howard to be in good scoring position, just like he did last year. The issue is, with kobe’s injury and age, he can’t be their main perimeter defender anymore. They really need someone else to guard the westbrooks and parkers of the league. I would love for them to develop ebanks because he can be a great defender, but it hasn’t happened yet.

  7. tombstone7 - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Allow DH to create Man-Drama someplace else. As one Lakers fan; DH does not posess LAKER mettle…seems to me that he craves attention to the point that he avoids making tough decision that appear to selfish…he wants to remain likeable….sad…Go somewhere else and cry!

  8. arrowgargantuan - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    I get the feeling Dwight never really wanted to be there in the first place. I also don’t think the Lakers are making any personnel decisions based on how Kobe feels about them anymore.

    • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      I don’t think that’s true, I think he wanted to be there. Maybe he would of rather of went to NJ, but I think he was happy to go to LA (I for one was thrilled when he went there, because I KNEW this would happen)

      Once he got there and found out everybody he talked to wouldn’t kiss his butt like they did in Orlando, and people weren’t afraid to call him out like they were in Orlando, he got tired of being there very quickly

      I want to point out reading how my posts look, I am not an Lakers fan. I’m an old school sixers fan (from when that was still a major rivalry), and hate them with a passion. But you have to respect the banners, doesn’t mean you have to like them though, lol

  9. logisticalvoices - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Why are people treating Dwight Howard like a superstar when he has repeatedly shown that he lacks the skills, heart, or charisma to be one?

    • arrowgargantuan - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      That’s not fair, he’s totally got the charisma.

  10. kb2408 - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    The LAKERS will allow him to leave before they settle for inferior players that aren’t in the the team’s long-term goals. If a deal doesn’t include a bona-fide star in return they will keep the team they have and wait until 14/15. In case some of you haven’t noticed, the franchise has a history of consistently winning that covers the last three decades. They didn’t accomplish that by accepting inferiority. Asik and Lin? Yeah, right! The LAKERS don’t have to make a deal just for the sake of making one. They will have their choice of players very soon and I’m sure they will come away with an elite player, or two. No disrespect to players like Blake, Bledsoe and Lin, but the LAKERS can and will do better than that. Now Harden is a different story! He’d look great in the PURPLE AND GOLD!

    • sportsfan18 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:56 PM

      While I’m not a Laker fan, I respect what Dr. Buss accomplished. Without looking the exact figures up, something like 16 finals appearances in 34 yrs or close to that. The writer of this said that the Laker organization is about winning championships and I agree that is what they have been about.

      However, Dr. Buss is no longer with us while the Laker’s will be about championships going forward, something tells me that with Dr. Buss’ son running the basketball side of the operation, they aren’t about to make it to 16 finals appearances in the next 30 something years…

      • kb2408 - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:55 PM

        You mean the same Jim B. that got us CP3 before the little dictator stepped in? And honestly, how do we know how long JIM BUSS has been calling the shots? No one on this site knows what’s really going on behind the LAKERS closed doors. However, we do know that for over three decades they have proven they know what they are doing. I’m sure Dr. Buss groomed Jim for this very moment. The LAKERS are in great shape, with or without, Dwight.

  11. norvturnersneck - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Lol, Lin and Asik. A horrible contract and a center who played decent during the playoffs. The Lakers won’t even think about that. They’re interested in resigning or dumping salaries. Good luck with getting the Lakers to take that one Houston.

    The Clipper deal is more appealing, but I don’t see them taking it. Blake Griffin can only dunk and Bledsoe is still a backup guard. They’d think about it, but I don’t think they’ll take on money and long term deals. They’ll look at rebuilding first.

    • kb2408 - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      My feelings exactly!

    • danielcp0303 - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

      A couple of things you’re missing. Lin might be overpaid to you, but he certainly doesn’t have a horrible contract. He makes 8.3 million for 3 years (with only 2 years left). Boozer and Bargnani are horrible contracts, Lin doesn’t come close to comparison. Also, you need to watch Asik play more. His defense and rebounding are extraordinary, especially considering he only plays 30 minutes a game. He and Hibbert are the two most effective shot changers at the rim, both go straight up without fouling. Asik also sets every screen while grabbing a huge percentage of rebounds. Last thing, Houston doesn’t have to trade Lin and Asik to get Howard. They would only need the sign & trade if they wanted to go after Paul. Both scenarios are unlikely, but still, they can sign Howard outright if they’re able to trade Robinson.

  12. jimsjam33 - Jun 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    I wouldn’t trade Griffin for Howard straight up . Sorry Lakers , but you are stuck with him . Let’s get back to Jordan for Garnett . That’s an improvement for the Clips . The coach ? We don’t need him . Scott , Hollins , or Karl would be just fine .

  13. kingsforever - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Raptors could use him

  14. fhuizar - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Kupchak is a master

    We’ll figure something out

    Whether it’s now or summer 14. He always has a plan

  15. silverandblackfan77 - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Im not really versed in basketball business but why is a sign and trade necessary? Is it just to be fair or could a player leave without a deal?

    • eventhorizon04 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

      A sign-and-trade in this situation helps the other teams since the Lakers can sign Dwight to a Super-Max deal while other teams can “only” sign him to a Max deal.

      The reason why the Lakers can offer him more money to Dwight than other teams is because the CBA allows teams to offer more money to “homegrown” players. This was designed to (ideally) stop small-market stars from fleeing to large markets. While Dwight is not a homegrown Lakers player, the Lakers traded for him with his original team, and thus acquired the “rights” to offer Dwight the most money of any team.

      If I’m Dwight Howard, one of the dis-incentives to going to another team is that my new team can only offer me a 4-year deal. If either the Clippers or Rockets performs a sign-and-trade, my new team can offer me a 5-year deal, so I’m far more likely to be willing to switch teams since the 5th year adds on an additional $20+ million guaranteed, and he’s coming off an injury-plagued season.

      That’s why a sign-and-trade is good for Dwight. In terms of why it’s good for the teams:

      For the Rockets, they already have a (good) defensive center (Omer Asik) under a deal that has 2 years and $20 million left. That’s a good salary for a starting center but a LOT of money for a guy who would be demoted to backup center with Dwight. Neither Asik nor Dwight are good shooters or passers, so an offense would be cramped in the paint with both on the court. So in addition to allowing them to sign Dwight, a sign and trade would allow them to offload Asik and spend money to improve their bench at multiple positions.

      For the Clippers, they can’t afford to sign Dwight Howard and Chris Paul, PLUS keep Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan. The Lakers likely have no interest in Deandre Jordan, so in order to afford Dwight, the Clippers have to offer up Blake Griffin (and his max deal) to the Lakers in order to have enough money to build a decent bench for CP3 + Howard. They’ll likely try to trade Deandre Jordan to someone who is willing to bet on him improving his game and use the cap space + assets to build a bench.

      As somekat described, a sign-and-trade COULD be good for the Lakers depending on the players they’re offered. If they’re offered Blake Griffin and Eric Bledsoe, the Lakers probably should accept a sign and trade since Griffin and Bledsoe add much needed youth and athleticism to their team. If they’re offered less desirable assets, then the Lakers shoudl reject the trade since they’d do better trying to attract a free agent on the open market rather than taking on salary.

      • Kurt Helin - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        Just a point of clarification, under the new CBA terms you cannot sign and trade a player for a supermax deal, he can only be traded out with the same max he would have gotten as a free agent. So, if you use the Howard to Houston hypothetical, Howard does not get more money in a sign-and-trade, the teams would only do it because they see benefits (clear out cap space, get assets back, whatever).

      • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

        Technically, if the Clippers wanted to, and can’t work out a deal with LA, they can ship Griffin to a team that has cap space for peanuts (we’ll just use Philly as an example, since without Bynum on the books they can easily fit 1 max, and they are out of the conference with would be a plus for the Clippers), and just sign Howard and Paul outright. I find it hard to believe they would chance sending Howard to the Clippers,and having to compete with them for LA attention for the next 5-6 years at least (and maybe fall behind after Kobe is gone). I also don’t see them sending him to Houston. They wont’ want to risk a superteam in the West unless they feel they have a better one, or the chance to build one very soon

        Unlike Howard and Paul, Griffin doesn’t have the option to choose where he goes. But I’m sure anything like that would be cleared with Paul first

        So for that reason, I think the Clips COULD sign Howard and Paul outright, but they wouldn’t be able to keep Griffin….maybe add griffin in a deal to get KG? since they’ll need a PF. But I think the Lakers would rather take 70 cents on the dollar in a deal to avoid another superteam in their conference

    • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM

      Also, since you can’t just dump guys, only teams with enough space to sign him could do it without a sign and trade. Teams that have any chance of being good, and have enough cap space to sign howard, are few and far between. His pool of teams would be 3-4 tops

      If teams can give a few players (more importantly, contracts), back to the lakers, a lot more teams can make a run at him because they don’t need as much space.

  16. themagicfanguy - Jun 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    @norvturner “Blake can only dunk” – That sentence just proved how little you know about basketball, you’ve definitely never played it.
    He plays better defense than he’s given credit for, and has some great post moves. Obviously his shooting isn’t too great, but let’s not forget he’s only been in the league a few seasons and he’s still learning. Jason Kidd couldn’t shoot when he came in the league either.

    • somekat - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      He couldn’t hit a three when he came in the league, to say he couldn’t shoot all is way off. His mid range jumper was sick when he was young, and since he was basically unstoppable from getting to 10-12 feet, that was all he needed

      I will say he didn’t develop a jumper until he was in the league so long that it wasn’t a sure thing he could get to that spot, and it still took him 2 years. He could also be Iggy, that had the talent to become a superstar. But yet he has the same strengths and weaknesses that he had his rookie season

      • JHathwell - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

        Jason Kidd was a sub 40% shooter his first three years in the league. Most of his scoring came in transition and at the line.

    • aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM

      @themagicfanguy – if you are going to back up blake griffin, you should point out his biggest strength…passing. Griffin is one of the best passing big men in the game. He’ll still never have near the same impact on the game as dwight does.

  17. scottychicago - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Asik is a very decent center but seriously why would they take contracts back? A max deal in 2014 for free agency beats any deal they’ll get back. Plus, if Dwight wants to leave, why help him out with an extra 28 million or whatever the amount is? no point in helping a guy who doesn’t want to help you.

  18. shockexchange - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    For a team that got bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

  19. ksolomonjr - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Any true Laker fan knows we don’t need or want bad contracts back in a Howard trade. Asik and Lin? no thanks. I say let’s get the cap space and wait til the summer of 2014. Like the previous comment said this is the Lakers not the Nets. We don’t give max contracts to guys like Brook Lopez and Gerald Wallace. LOL!!

    • arrowgargantuan - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:56 PM

      Yeah, Lin is untradable. Courtesy of that brilliant poison pill.

  20. ksolomonjr - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    ALSO…when did Blake get post moves??? LOL!! I watch basketball all the time. He has a fadeaway and he dunks. Defense is pretty good. He also has horrible knee issues. Opponents don’t respect him outside of 10 feet.

  21. aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    You guys need to pay attention to what the lakers have been saying since last summer. They are all in for last year and this year, and then they want nothing but dwight howard and cap space for flexibility next summer. None of these sign and trades will happen because they go against that strategy. Blake Griffin? Please, I’d rather have the cap space next year. Lakers know what they are doing.

    • JHathwell - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

      We just watched a team with a payroll of 100 million dollars sneak into the playoffs and get swept. They traded for a guy who doesnt fit the roster, hired a coach who doesn’t like the young star and are now looking at an 80 million dollar luxury tax bill next year for a team that will be lucky to win 50 games.

      What on earth makes you think the 2013 lakers, with Jimmy Buss in charge, now what they are doing???

      • kb2408 - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        Do you mean the same Jim Buss that swung a beautiful deal for CP3 that Stern vetoed because he knew the LAKERS were going to run roughshod over the NBA? Or perhaps you’re referring to the Jim Buss that brought in both Nash and Dwight when most didn’t think it could possibly happen? No, it hasn’t worked out like planned but so what? The LAKERS swung for the fence and missed. SUCH IS LIFE. However, the franchise is in good hands going forward. Mitch is still there, correct? It’s hilarious how all of a sudden Buss is incompetent but had Stern not stepped in you would be hailing him as a genius for getting CP3 & D12, which is precisely what would’ve happened.

      • JHathwell - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:30 PM

        Ah yes, more brilliant conspiracy theories. hard to argue with a guy who thinks David Stern vetoed the trade because he HATES THE LAKERS.

        Maybe you should read up on the real reason why the trade was vetoed and maybe try exercising some objectivity?

      • aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

        his point is that the trade happened under Jim Buss and was accepted by two GMs. The reasons for why it was vetoed don’t matter, just the fact that it was accepted and then vetoed. And it was a beautiful deal, not only would lakers have gotten better, but the deal would have saved them a ton of money.

      • JHathwell - Jun 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM

        maybe you don’t follow the lakers very closely. Thing is, anyone who does will tell you that Jim Buss has flushed the lakers down the toilet in recent years. Three years after back-to-back titles, they are staring at either losing their franchise player or spending 180 million in payroll on a team with no real shot to contend, and they’ll be coached by a guy who is lost with this roster and doesn’t even like Dwight Howard.

        Don’t be homers, be realists. The Lakers are screwed.

  22. paulhargis53 - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    The TOTAL lack of understanding of the current cba by some of you lakers fans is astounding.

    They are OVER the salary apron! They cannot do a sign and trade to bring anything back that would continue to keep them over the apron!

    I don’t know if its being obtuse or just willfully ignorant.
    I will say that if any of you are following and agreeing with kb2408 aka lakerluver, you’re living in a fantasy world.

    Lakers getting Harden?! Impossible under the cba and utterly laughable.

    That’s ok, we’ve come to expect flat out inanity from you.

    • Kurt Helin - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

      Actually, the rule is that the Lakers cannot get any free agents signed and traded, but they can send Dwight Howard out (this was unclear to me as well until I asked an expert about it). To use a hypothetical, the Lakers could not get Josh Smith in a sign-and-trade (not that they want to, but it’s a hypothetical) but they can ship out Dwight Howard in a S&T to get back contracted players, such as Griffin.

      Still don’t think the Lakers would do this, but they can.

      • loungefly74 - Jun 17, 2013 at 9:02 AM

        Ya know what I like about all this? That the Lakers are always generating some buzz…unlike the 20+ teams who just “stand pat” every year sitting on their hands.

    • urodaddy07 - Jun 17, 2013 at 1:00 AM

      “Salary apron”. never heard that phrase before. Did you make that up? It makes no sense.

  23. prestigious1 - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Get some more teams involvec and trade Dwight for a lot of draft picks and Bledsoe.

  24. jah1z - Jun 16, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I don’t know why I have to find myself explaining this to you Lakers fanboys……and to this simpleton Author. The Lakers don’t have much leverage and the little leverage they do have, is not enough to dictate things on their terms. In other words, the Rox GM have a chance to fleece Mitch Kupchak if he so wants to. Mitch does not control a damn thing except being able to offer Howard a 5 year deal. That’s it.

    Given the ridiculous state taxes playing in L.A. compare to no state taxes playing in Texas, the Rockets are not threatened by a 5 year, 118 million. After taxes, the Rockets’ 4 years, 88 milliions will result in more saving for Howard than L.A.’ deal. The extra year of 30 million with the 5 year deal L.A. offers comes out half that amount because of L.A. state taxes and the fact Howard will play more home games in L.A. when you factor in playing against the Clippers and Warriors too, besides the Lakers’ home games. He’s losing more of his money to taxes. In Texas, he wouldn’t have that problem.

    Two. A package of Asik and Lin sucks, and I fault Morey for going after too many European/White players when this is a Black-dominated League. Asik , though serviceable, is not the “quality” of a player like Black talents are. And that just a sobering fact in the NBA and Morey better understand soon or end up stuck trying to trade a bunch of White boys for Black talents. It’s a harder sell in this NBA. This isn’t 1940 where White players were the cream-of-the-crop.

    With that said, Howard want to play for the Rockets and he could very well walk away from L.A. to join the Rockets. If L.A. accepts a package of Asik and Lin, their salaries only counts as 8.3 against the cap and not 15 millions like most think. It’s 8.3. Together, that 16.6 millions so, L.A. would be shedding salaries from the cap to get under the cap. If it is learned Howard will leave, L.A. should accept the deal…better than nothing.

    • JHathwell - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:21 PM

      This is an incredible post.

      I am in awe of you, my man,

    • sportsfan18 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:52 PM

      If the Lakers accept a package of Asik and Lin?

      That will never happen and I’m not even a Laker fan…

      Accepting these two is better than nothing?

      Did you catch that the article included the the following?

      “Sources say they are indeed leaning against sign-and-trade scenarios because they’d rather bank the resultant cap space from Howard’s departure for the summer of 2014.”

      Now, if the package of players they could get for Dwight in a sign and trade is good enough, they’ll take it. If not, they’ll bank the cap space for next summer.

      Asik and Lin aren’t anywhere near good enough for the Laker’s to even consider doing a sign and trade of Dwight with the Rockets…

      Again, I don’t root for the Lakers… I wish they would do this as it would make them a lesser team…

      But they won’t ever do that!

    • aboogy123456 - Jun 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

      YOU are the simpleton. Way to bring up the taxes argument but not the marketing dollar argument. Do you know how money works? Yes, the taxes are higher in LA, but the market is amazing for a guy who wants to be a star like Dwight. I’m sure if a smart person like yourself actually analyzed the tax impact, and analyzed the marketing impact, the marketing dollars would FAR outweigh the tax savings. I’m glad that Dwight isn’t taking your advice

  25. kb2408 - Jun 16, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Well, that settles it,, jah1z has spoken!! Dude, who the heck died and made you an NBA expert?! Owning a smartphone and having a subscription to a bunch of NBA magazines does NOT make you an NBA General Manager in training.

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