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LeBron, David West, Lance Stephenson all fined $5,000 for flopping (VIDEO)

May 30, 2013, 9:57 AM EDT

On twitter and in the comments of this blog, the anti-LeBron James forces have been begging for him fined by the league for flopping. They wanted it so bad they can taste it.

They got it. They are going to celebrate this like the defeat of Sauron.

LeBron James and David West were both fined $5,000 by the league for flopping by the league on the double-flop play you see above during Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Finals. Look under the basket in the video, where LeBron is covering West — when West goes to post up the two make contact then both of them flop to the ground like there was a sniper in the grassy knoll.

Good call by the league, they both earned it. That was some bad acting.

But don’t expect this to stop either of them from trying to sell calls in the future — the Heat and Pacers are in a hard-fought 2-2 series and LeBron has said selling calls is no big deal.

In addition, West’s foul on Dwyane Wade with 5:57 left in Game 4 was upgraded to a flagrant-1 by the league.

Also fined for flopping was Indiana’s Lance Stephenson for his rather blatant attempt to get a foul called on Ray Allen, as you can see below.

  1. canehouse - May 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Wonder if the Pacers fans will chant “you’re a flopper” to West and Stephenson now… like they did when Wade was on the line in game 4??

    • stlouis1baseball - May 30, 2013 at 10:40 AM

      My guess…NO. You see…they are Pacers fans.
      So they would most likely NOT taunt their own team.
      Additionally, D. Wade is one of (if not the biggest) floppers in the league.
      Yeah…just a slight difference.

    • tubal22 - May 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      Wonder if Miami fans will stay for the whole game tonight.

      • scorp16 - May 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM

        You mean like the Indiana fans did in Game 3?

      • bucrightoff - May 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        Leaving when there’s a 20 point blowout isn’t even in the same league as leaving with less than a minute left and a chance to win still, but go ahead an try and compare the two. Miami fans slowly working their way past Laker fans.

      • cantonbound13 - May 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

        They’ll show up lat, give some players the finger & pull many classless moves, leave early & not understand what went on the whole time. Typical bandwagoners’ behavior.

      • scorp16 - May 30, 2013 at 11:14 PM

        Wonder if all of Indiana turned off their TV after the 3rd Quarter

    • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      This is a joke. Battier and Wade are flopping on the FLOOR twenty times per game. The NBA is so corrupt they’ve substituted “flopping” with “overreacting.” You’re an idiot, canehouse.

      • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM

        Oh, and Kurt–excellent ultra nerd reference with the defeat of Sauron. How did you manage to stay off your Xbox long enough to post it?

  2. themagicfanguy - May 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    So that’s just about 2million short of what LBJ should be fined for all the flops in the postseason so far. Good job Stern.

    • ssthu - May 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM

      LBJ didn’t flop! But his three-step travels were all real this season

    • Clayton Bigsby - May 30, 2013 at 2:51 PM

      “its an effective strategy”

      -Le Flop James

  3. reddolfan66 - May 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    The refs should be next!!

  4. coltsfreek - May 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    i’m not that guy

  5. miamatt - May 30, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    Can we at least dispense with the notion that the noble Pacers are playing “the right way” against the “cheating” Miami Heat? These guys are all trying to compete and win.

    Stephenson could have been fined for at least three plays on Tuesday. I don’t like flopping either, but it’s hard for me to imagine it going away as long as humans are officiating these games. Heck, some of these guys might be able to fool robot eyes.

    • chicitybulls - May 30, 2013 at 11:10 AM

      I dont think flopping and trying to gain an edge is considered competing in my book. Man up and win heads up. This goes to everybody in the league doing that crap. I put it on both the players and the refs. Can we just get a good, competitive game of basketball please. All the “extra” stuff can go to the And 1 games.

      • chicitybulls - May 30, 2013 at 11:16 AM

        In addition to the fine, this should also be a technical foul too. That will clean it up moreso than the fine. Guys with large salaries will gladly pay that fine which probably accounts for 1% (or less) of their salaries. But if there’s a chance they can give the other team points and possibly be ejected from the game they will be more hesitant to do it. Guys that dont make a lot of money (the less talented players who wont be missed if they’re ejected) will be hesitant because it’ll affect their income more and guys who make a lot of money (the more talented players that will be missed if they’re ejected) wont wanna chance getting ejected.

      • miamatt - May 30, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        Look, I agree flopping sucks but how do you do away with it? I can’t see how they can make it a technical when the refs on the court saw it as a foul not a flop. And let’s please not entertain the notion of stopping play for video review, there are already too many long stoppages.

        The only thing I could see is suspending guys, but that is a real double-edged sword. How would you like it if your team played game 7 of a conference finals with it’s best player suspended on a questionable flop ruling? We’ve seen with how the league office responds to after-game discipline that things are RARELY cut and dried.

      • chicitybulls - May 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        @miamatt – I’ll disagree with you to a point. I think the refs do notice some flops which is why they dont call anything on those plays. The ones in this article on West, james and Stephenson all were not called during the game. That’s because the refs knew they were flops and were not going to reward that. Not saying they would catch all of them but if the penalty of getting a tech for flopping were in place more people would be hesitant to do it. As far as video review I dont have a problem with that. Not saying they should use it in this case but to get calls right I’m totally ok with it. I mean the refs and players are on their jobs so if it takes a little time out to review a play to get the call right I’m ok with that. That’s what we all want, right? To get the call right? It’s not like there are not too many time outs as is. I mean they call phantom time outs now just to show commercials. It’s not as bad as college ball but still it’s an unnecessary stoppage in play.

      • nobandwagonridersallowed - May 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

        Great point @Chicitybulls… The only issue is if a ref comes to the game and is on their “Pad”, it leaves an already irritable ref with too much power/ control to be able to dictate a game by throwing someone out on a borderline flopping incident. The only way would be to stop play and break it down in slow motion… However, With this break in the action, you may be giving a team that were on their heels time to regroup. Idk… I will say that I am a proud Miami Heat fan and all those guys deserved a fine… Yes, even Lebron

      • chicitybulls - May 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        @ bandwagon – Well it takes 2 techs for an ejection so if you get a tech early for arguing/flopping/whatever that just means you are on notice and if you decide to take that chance and flop then that’s on you. I believe most people know what taking a real charge and what a flop is. Play good defense and leave the flopping alone. Get that bs out of the game. It has no place here.

    • coltsfreek - May 30, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      if you keep getting them called against you, might as well try to get some for you

      • miamatt - May 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM

        I imagine you were intending to disagree with me, but I agree with you 100%. Teams are not going to stop flopping because that is an advantage to the other team. You can call me a homer if you like, but if you are intending to imply that only now are the Pacers using these tactics, that is just plain silly.

        I don’t think I’ve ever seen an NBA game, let alone playoff game, where there aren’t at least a few plays that could be interpreted as flops on both sides.

      • coltsfreek - May 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM

        I won’t disagree with you on the fact the Pacers have done it a few times over the season, over the last 3 yrs I’ve watched/been to 75% of their games, it does happen. However it’s increased on the Pacer side as we’ve played NY and the heat, sadly they’ve brought us down to their level.

      • miamatt - May 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM

        I hear you, and you sound like you know your team. I might just suggest that it is the raising of the stakes, rather than the specific opponent that accounts for an increase in Pacers flopping. The bigger the game, the bigger the incentive to grab any advantage you can. Both of these teams are getting desperate now.

      • coltsfreek - May 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

        I do know the team quite a bit, that’s why NBA2k has upset me for the last 3 years with our player ratings.

  6. jbeagles23 - May 30, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Any the fine for Joey Crawford and crew???

  7. bucrightoff - May 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    LeBron got a 9.6 for his flop though, clearly well trained on how to sell the flop. Stephenson was alright, but clearly needs to work on picking his spots, so an 8 for him. West’s was awful and only deserves a 6, clearly when going up against LeBron you’re going to look bad, but that just shows how little experience West has a flopping and how much LeBron does have.

  8. zacksdad - May 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    And yet Dirty Bird Wade still gets away with elbow block to the head. I hate the flops, but this foul was worse than all those flops combined. I guess you only get suspensions when the player gets knocked out of the game.

    • miamatt - May 30, 2013 at 12:18 PM

      Are you kidding??? That was Stephenson’s best flop of the entire series! There was not one person- not the players, not the officials on the court, not the announcers sitting courtside- who thought that was intentional at the time. I didn’t exactly notice the Pacers rushing over to defend their boy or knock Wade on his butt after such an “vicious attack”, which is as telling as anything.

      If it takes a bunch of slow-mo reviews to convince folks a play is dirty, it really isn’t.

  9. money2long - May 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    the NBA paid out a mil to OKC for disaster relief. these fines help with the continuation of assistance for things like this. when players get fined, they shouldn’t be upset because that money would be going to NBA care efforts to an extent. just my random thought process of the day.

  10. reedme16 - May 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Another point taken from the Heat on a flagrant. So now we have……

    Wade Flagrant +1
    Wades steal on Hibbert +2
    Lebron Foul on screen. +2
    Wades travel +3
    Plus add the fact that on West n Lebron double flop, Crawford overturned the foul on West. This gave Ind possesionl and a three.

    Ind shot clock debacle cost them +2
    Flop foul -3
    Pacers gained a point off bad calls while Miami lost 8pts……. but Heat fans have nothing to be upset about.

    As far as flopping, everyone needs to quit pointing the finger. Because whatever team you are a fan of has somebody and probably several players who flop the whole game. There is no player above it and no Lebron doesnt do it more than everybody else. Pacers are flopping around just like the Heat and every other NBA team. Flopping didn’t just start and its not the players job to stop, it’s the refs job to have better judgenent. what the hell are they getting paid for?

    • chicitybulls - May 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      Can you name me a Bulls player that does it? I know Boozer yells “and 1” and “hey” a lot but that’s not flopping, although I hate that too. But Thibs teaches good defense and flopping is not good defense.

      • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 2:01 PM

        Even Thibs got beat down to the point where he had to complain about bad officiating. His fine for that: 30 grand. LeBron’s fine for doing it: ZERO.

  11. Jeff - May 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    The association should add Wade too, for sure.

  12. coryfor3 - May 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    I don’t think Stephenson “flopped” – he just over exaggerated an effort to get out of the way of a shove.

    • money2long - May 30, 2013 at 11:05 AM

      congratulations. you just said the definition of flop.

      lance didn’t try to “get out of the way of a shove” … if you noticed, lance actually baited ray allen into said shove. prior to the shove, he jabbed ray’s chest, with the hopes of getting some form of retaliation. ray obliged, and lance definitely embellished. lance knew what was coming because he set up the scenario himself with the provoking jab.

      • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        You could say that Lance “embellished” or you could say that every time a Pacer did that they were saying “get your filthy hands off of me.” Here’s what’s happening: the NBA has anointed the Heat as the kings of basketball. Now when they’re faced with reality about the Heat being a dirty team, that does play the game with the proper respect, they suddenly, miraculously start handing out flopping fines. And yet, for some reason the two biggest floppers on the Heat got no fines. Weird, isn’t it.

      • Kurt Helin - May 30, 2013 at 8:40 PM

        I ask this as an honest question: As a Pacers backer, how can you not watch what Lance did and still think it was a flop? Why is it hard for fans to admit their team can do things wrong? I ask this as a guy who got his start with a Lakers blog that in part admitted the flaws of the Lakers because we were basketball fans first.

      • gmsingh - Jun 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM

        I thought I was pretty clear: “a flop” to me means a player flops to the floor. You see this in wrestling all the time, and you see the Heat players do this every game. Kerr and Reggie were laughing at Chalmers looking like he broke a bone, for example, and then getting up and hitting a trey on the next play. You could say “flopping” was selling a call, acting like the contact was worse than it was, but as I said previously, you could also say it means “get your filthy hands off me”. If you don’t want a player touching you, and you do *anything* to retaliate, your screwed. Now you’re saying that if you don’t retaliate, if you just do something to show your disgust, you’re screwed too. All you’re really saying is you want the rules to be fixed to favor the Heat. They are dirty players that don’t deserve respect. Hell, Bill Laimbeer’s Pistons were more respectable because they didn’t pretend not to be dirty. They were just jerks. They Heat are jerks but want the NBA hype machine to fix their reputation. That’s garbage. And what does their lily livered coach, Spoelstra, have to say about this? He’s really proven to be a “take charge” guy, hasn’t he. As if we didn’t know he has to get a script from Pat Riley first. There is nothing to like about that team whatsoever. Their crappy attitude eclipses everything that is great about LeBron as a player in my book. Clearly a lot of others feel the same.

      • nobandwagonridersallowed - May 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        @Money2long… I literally LOL @ “congratulations. You just said the definition of a flop”. #Classic

  13. skinsfanwill - May 30, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    I couldn’t even finish watching this crap we call reffing now. This is ridiculous. Is there no reprimand for so many bad calls from the league office. The refereeing looks so bad one would easily be fooled into thinking they are cheating for a certain team. Crawford is more about getting some attention for himself rather than actually reffing a game.

  14. cantonbound13 - May 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Where’s ’72? He said he found it funny how no Heat player was fined yet, implying they don’t flop. As usual another comment full of crap. Wonder how he spins this.

    • apmn - May 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM

      Denial is a drug.

    • mrwrightsdad - May 30, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      Wow imagine that he might have better things to do as a reason to not resond 20 minutes after the story posts. Not everyone’s life bases around hating Lebron and forum posting

      • cantonbound13 - May 30, 2013 at 1:08 PM

        you don’t know 72.

    • miamatt - May 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

      Why don’t you just switch identities and let us know what 1972sxwife thinks? She/you should have some good insight into this.

      I’ll spin it for him, though. The Heat flop- along with every other NBA team. Sucks, but it is what it is. There isn’t a fan of any team that can reasonably act self-righteous about another team flopping- and certainly not any fan of the Knicks.

      • cantonbound13 - May 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        First of all, what’s this nonsense about me being 72exwife? Not me, idiot. I’ve been the same name & have always stood up to you & the bandwagoners’ nonsense under this name. Don’t quit your day job (if you even have one) to become an investigator.
        Furthermore, bandwagon fan from Boston, your team is a bunch of pansies, floppers & cowards. They have no shot against the real big three in San Antonio anyway, so this series means nothing.

    • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      I think ’72 had to get back to the future.

  15. cantonbound13 - May 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    It’s playoff time, we’re use to seeing LeBron’s game flop.

  16. kinggw - May 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    How is Hibbert not on this list? Pacers fans call Lebron and Wade floppers, but it seems the biggest man in the series has spent more time on the floor than anyone else.

    He outweighs the people covering him, whether it be Haslem, Birdman or Bosh by at least 40 pounds, yet were to believe they are able to push him around with ease?

    • chicitybulls - May 30, 2013 at 11:21 AM

      You mean the way DJ Augustine was able to run over james? If you’re going to call it out, keep it real and call it out for both sides.

    • mrwrightsdad - May 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Yes Hibbert looks like a grown mad under the rim fighting for rebounds, but when he is fighting for position with bosh on the elbow and hits the ground 3 out of 5 times he makes Shaun Bradley look coordinated. When Bosh pushes you down several times a game then that says it all.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM

      You didn’t just insinuate Hibbert flops did you? Seriously? No way.
      Cause’ dude is 7′-2”…285. No flopping from big Roy. Just taters gettin’ swatted back at em.’

    • aboogy123456 - May 30, 2013 at 12:58 PM

      Hibbert is such a weak big man for his size. Look at his body, dude needs to actually train and lift weights every now and then. Not saying that he doesn’t flop, but just saying that it is believable that smaller guys would be able to knock him down.

  17. davidly - May 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    What about Battier, who was even called out by all three TNT commentators–live on television, mind you–for at least three flops over games three and four?

    (btw: I loved Miller as a player, but cannot stand him doing the games from the sideline. It is simply painful to listen to and in spite of Kerr being a good sport, the chemistry is horrible.)

    • liveinthenow1 - May 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      You mean the former Pacer and former Bull announcers who refer to the Pacers as “we” while coaching them through every game, which Kerr also did in the Bulls series?

      People seem to be getting confused between flopping and taking a charge. There is a difference. NBA trying to get rid of the egregious flops demonstrated in the ones that were fined in this game. Not every time a player gets knocked down but could maybe have fought to stay on his feet.

      • davidly - May 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM

        I’ve watched the games. The only time Kerr or Miller have said “we” referring to the Bulls and Pacers, respectively, is in recounting the time they were with those teams. If you can cite a specific example (ie. not your memory) otherwise, I’ll cede the point and apologize.

        Anyway, Miller was emphatically defending Battier in the matter re Flopping. He thinks it should not be fined, and his counterparts calling the games have not exactly disagreed with him.

        As far as Battier goes: he’s good enough to fool the refs in the game, good enough to fool a lot of people, indeed, good enough to fool you, but Rodman he ain’t. Still, a flop is a flop.

      • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM

        “Taking a charge”? If the offensive player didn’t have the momentum to knock a guy to the floor it’s a flop. It’s selling the call, which Kerr and Reggie were making fun of because the officials say they aren’t influenced by that. Guys who stop and barely touch the guy in front of them, and the guy touched goes flying 6 ft backwards, shouldn’t be called for a charge. It wouldn’t be that hard for the officials to confer and come with hard and fast rules on what’s what. At this point, the officiating seems so far gone on this it looks unfixable.

      • liveinthenow1 - May 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        Miller went to some length demanding to know why the refs didn’t recognize Battier’s flopping having seen it in previous games. He then did go on to say that he (Miller) was one of the most notorious floppers and he doesn’t have a problem with it. Which was honest of him, and true.

        Kerr said “we need to get the last possession” during the Bulls series on a Nate Robinson shot. Miller, and Kerr, both said some variation of this “is what I love” when talking about the Pacers during their 11-0 start to the game. Not going to go back through the game and find every reference, with Kerr it’s an ongoing thing every Heat game he announces, Miller is generally more neutral but hasn’t been in this series with his former team. If you’re watching the games you know who they, and everyone else, are favoring, it’s not subtle or new.

  18. lmoneyfresh - May 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Why are those who want Lebron to be subject to the same fines and scrutiny from the league as other players, are referred to as, “the anti-LeBron James forces”?? Is it really too much to ask that the most talented player in the league not get another advantage?

  19. jhuck92 - May 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Where are we at as a sport where the best player has to cheat in order to win?

    • sportstradamus9 - May 30, 2013 at 2:54 PM

      Every player cheats every game… all professional sports except golf pretty much accept cheating (reaching for that extra yard after you’re down in football, fouling in basketball, arguing a strike in baseball).

      • kavika6 - May 31, 2013 at 4:34 AM

        Pretty good setup for a Tiger Woods being a cheater joke.

  20. dbfan4ever - May 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Um Shane Battier doesn’t receive a fine for flopping!!! What a joke! Flopping is the only “defense” that Battier knows how to play!

    • cantonbound13 - May 30, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      He grabs an awful lot also

    • gmsingh - May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

      Here’s the solution: have steel spikes strapped to their backs. If they flop to the floor they get impaled. I’d pay to watch that.

  21. thenew013 - May 30, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    I can only laugh now. Its like the flopping apocolypse.

    • thenew013 - May 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM

      …and I have to agree that Battier is a serial flopper. Its like he is addicted to it.

    • davidly - May 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      The Aflopolypse!!

  22. creek0512 - May 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    How do they get fined and Wade and Battier don’t?

  23. tcclark - May 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    yes. hit them where it hurts. Lebron made over 50 million dollars last year between his contract and endorsements so fine him 5 grand. That’ll teach him not to flop. Only a thousand more flops and you’ll be taking 1% of his salary away. Look out Lebron

  24. tonynelson1914 - May 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    This is hilarious. Just another tactic by Stern by fining Lebron 5k to wheel in viewers again. The ratings were low in game 4 so they’re lowering Lebron status from “immortal” to mortal, and press the Heat with some of the burdensome of the fouls that kill fast-break momentum shifts. This tactic is just to extend the series ($$$$$$$). This league is a business first, entertainment second paradigm. What I find so funny is that many of you actually think the refs are incompetent.

  25. sportstradamus9 - May 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    $5,000 to LeBron is like a $30 ticket for someone making $100,000 a year. $30 ticket for not only embarrassing your employer, but your entire industry. Sounds like he’s getting off pretty easy.

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