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Knicks get smacked around in New York press after Game 1 “effort”

May 6, 2013, 11:33 AM EDT

New York Knicks Carmelo Anthony reacts after he was called for foul against Indiana Pacers in NBA game in New York Reuters

“Stinko de ‘Melo”

That play on Cinco de Mayo was the headline on the back of the New York Post on Monday morning after the Indiana Pacers beat the Knicks handily in Game 1. In Madison Square Garden. Anthony fell back on the effort card.

“You take out the X’s and O’s, they flat-out played harder than we did,’’ Anthony said. “They outplayed us and outworked us. Nothing else needs to be said about that.’’

“Big Trouble”

That was the New York Daily News back page headline, getting to the heart of the matter for New York — the Pacers size and length, particularly Roy Hibbert defending the rim, is a real problem for the Knicks because it is not going away. “Knicks have no answer for Indy’s plus-sized lineup,” the Daily News adds.

The Knicks are already considering lineup changes to deal with the issue. New York has had success with small ball this season — Carmelo Anthony as a four playing on the wing more — because they had Tyson Chandler covering them in the paint. But David West bruised Anthony for 20 points while ‘Melo shot 10-of-28.

So New York is considering starting Raymond Felton at the one, Iman Shumpert at the two, Anthony the three, Kenyon Martin at the four and Tyson Chandler at the five spot. Pablo Prigioni would come off the bench. That possible new five-man lineup didn’t play a minute together in Game 1, nor did it play a minute together as a group all season long (according to Knicks lineup data).

But the Knicks have to do something, particularly on the defensive end. Much like last series it’s not going to be easy to score on the Pacers — this was statistically the best defensive team in the NBA last season. They do it without a fancy system, they just have long athletes who play hard and contest everything. New York worked hard to get Anthony switched onto the lesser defender in West all game but he still struggled because West can play some defense, too.

The Knicks need a lineup that can both score and slow the Pacers, who got a balanced attack out of a variety of different looks. Which is a lot harder to defend, so it makes sense Woodson is looking at size.

He has to do something, because if the Pacers win another game on the road Tuesday night the hits the Knicks took from the New York tabloids on Monday will seem like a friendly pat on the back.

  1. thomaskouns - May 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Well at least Melo can always count on Stephen ‘I protect certain guys’ Smith blaming everyone else except Carmelo.

    • fanofevilempire - May 6, 2013 at 5:20 PM

      as a born and raised ny’er, will ALL of you please STF up.

      • mytthor - May 7, 2013 at 12:59 AM

        As a born and raised San Diegan, I think I speak for the rest of the world when I say no one cares where you’re from.

      • badintent - May 8, 2013 at 1:44 AM

        Oh you got it coming now dog. San Diego, home of the NBA Clippers, Oh they skipped town , couldn’t fill a 10 K seat dump in Point Loma. Then your cheapass Chargers owners threated to leave half a dozen times, got tax breaks and even got the City to buy up empty seats.last game I went to half the people left to move to the sun side to work on their tans ! Nuts but true. Most fans at SDU football games at the opposing teams. poor sports team. but great Zoo.Mex food is lousy, made for tourists from Nebraska. Got go to Rosarita for good Mex.

      • Kurt Helin - May 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

        You are clearly going to the wrong places for Mexican food in SD, there are great spots. Don’t go where the tourists go.

      • badintent - May 13, 2013 at 1:57 AM

        I used to go to a place outside Old Town , great hot fajita dishes but forgot the name. Problem is almost every place in SD is for the tourists. What are your two best cheap and moderate places for Mex food ?

  2. Mr. Wright 212 - May 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    That’s what we New Yorkers do, unlike most fans. We rip ’em when they don’t show effort, and they get their just due when they perform well, win or lose.

    • eboneseagles - May 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

      This 100%, if you’re going to give no effort and play like you don’t give a crap about a title or the city then we’re gonna let you hear it.

    • brutl - May 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      No you don’t. You are the types of fans that leave before the game even ends, when the outcome is still in question.
      Before you ever rip your players, you rip the refs, the NBA, or David Stern.
      The ONLY NY fan I respect is Spike, the rest of you are fair weather fans at best

      • stlouis1baseball - May 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        Well stated brutl. People were filing out at the 2:00 mark!

      • nygrwy - May 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM

        I am a Knicks fan and I agree with what you are saying. I was yelling fake fans when the game was still in question yesterday. However you have to understand the money it costs for a playoff ticket in the Garden. Your die hards are sitting in the bleachers and still paying $200 for that ticket and then good seats are $350-$400, and then really good seats are $500-1000, and then ridiculous seats can go to a 100k.

        Those people dont care about the outcome. Its just another social gathering for them

      • marcusfitzhugh - May 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM

        Umm . . . .brutl . . . . . do you really mean to say that of the eight million plus people that currently live in New York City, and the millions of New Yorkers that live outside the city, you know which of them are fans, when they leave the game, when they rip the players / refs / NBA / Stern, that we are all “fair weather fans” and the ONLY fan you respect is Spike.

      • Mr. Wright 212 - May 6, 2013 at 5:53 PM

        Most of the people at the game yesterday were there for Family Day, and are fairweather fans who can afford the $300 seats. Try again. If you ain’t from New York, then stop trying to act like you know what you’re talking about.

    • andyhr17 - May 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

      New Yorkers really do live in a bubble, don’t they? Yes, New York fans are the only fans who rip their team when they don’t give a solid effort. You really are a sheltered moron.

    • philadelphiafan - May 6, 2013 at 5:24 PM

      If you went to an Eagles/Sixers/Flyers game this past season you’d probably rethink that statement.

  3. canehouse - May 6, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    This was a wake up punch.. Knicks in 6

  4. rodge1 - May 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    @Mr. Wright 212

    If that is indeed what New Yorkers do then you must not be a New Yorker since you always blame the refs.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - May 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      I ripped the players last night, as well as the refs. I don’t “blame” the refs, I call them out for slanted officiating, regardless if the Knicks win or lose.

      If you are going to stalk my comments like some broad, at least be accurate in “attempting” to call me out. You call it “blaming”, when it is calling out the officials. Two different things, btch.

      • stlouis1baseball - May 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM

        To the referees’ credit…they showed zero favortism….until the 4th Qtr.
        This is perfectly fine as the NBA is always slanted towards the home team.
        I am just thankful they waited till’ the 4th quarter this time.

  5. thenmoveback - May 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Stinko de melo hahaha. But as much as I dislike the Knicks I actually think they will still win this series, only to lose to the heat in the ECF.

  6. rodge1 - May 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    @Mr. Wright 212

    Don’t flatter yourself and don’t let the truth hurt your feelings princess.

  7. pl4tinum514 - May 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    pacers in 4

    the funeral comes early

  8. caeser12 - May 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Mike Woodson is clueless. His sideline demeanor is to sit or stand there, arms folded, trying to telepathically coach the team. He makes no in game adjustments, allows J.R. Melo to freelance, doesn’t use Cope to draw Big Hibbert out of the paint, and stifles Felton’s game, by allowing ISO-Ball. Sure J.R. Melo is killing the team, but Mike Woodson is not helping either. Go NY.

  9. GT - May 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Indy vs Mia ECF

  10. cantonbound13 - May 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    The press can be brutal in NY. Now you see why LeBron chose Miami, no pressure & a soft media full of ass kissers.

  11. cantonbound13 - May 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Not haing Novak hurts. The Pacers can clog the inside not having to worry about him on the perimeter.

  12. nygrwy - May 6, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    In my history of watching bball this was a pretty poorly officiated game. However when you whine as bad as melo, JR, and Chandler (is such a god damn cry baby now) you see why they dont get calls. I mean JR and Felton complain about calls that are obvious fouls. They just don’t get it and woodson doesn’t either.

    He was out coached first round and it shows because it should have been a sweep. The arrogance he allows his players to have is ridiculous. The dress in black thing should have never happened. You are going to let your players behave this way when we haven’t one a series in how long.

    I always thought the squad was too much talent for Woodson to handle. It def has shown in the past 4 games. Hopefully I am wrong. Time will tell

    • andyhr17 - May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      I don’t think the refs had anything to do with Melo shooting 10-28. I don’t think the refs had anything to do with JR Smith shooting 4-15. Maybe if the Knicks would make a reasonable percentage of their shots, NY fans wouldn’t have to spend all day claiming the officials had it in for them and Stern didn’t want them to win.

      • nygrwy - May 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        We are talking about Melo and Jr when have they ever been efficient. Melo and JR were rapped on plenty of occasions and there were no calls. Once again I am not blaming the loss on the refs but lets not ignore the fact that it was a poorly officiated game for the first 3 quarters and then all of a sudden the refs found their Whistle.

        You can hate the Knicks and their fans (and we have some really dumb fans) all you want but any fan, player of the game could tell you the refs were terrible yesterday. Sometimes I think we as fans hurt the players because our over reaction to the calls manifests in them also…..

      • Mr. Wright 212 - May 6, 2013 at 5:56 PM

        It does when you are getting smacked in the face and hacked across the arm, while missing shots, which count toward that 10-28, last time I checked, John Hollinger. Durant and James would go to the line 100% of the time for much less contact than Melo endures.

        Rip the Knicks and hate all you want, but god DAMN at least TRY to be objective otherwise. Damn.

      • andyhr17 - May 6, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        If you’re saying that Melo got fouled about a dozen times and they were not called it it caused him to miss those shots then you were not watching the same game as objective NBA fans.

  13. dorian26 - May 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    So. Im a Knicks fan. And that game had nothing to do with the refs. I feel as though Melo is trying to be the hero and he is dribbling way too much. So many times he dribbles into a double team and forces up a shot when someone perfectly capable of hitting a three is sitting beyond the arc wide open. The ball movement needs to improve, and the offense should be run through Felton and his pick and rolls, which were very effective against Boston. The defensive intensity also needs to improve. There are no excuses and if they play like they did game 1 they deserve to lose plain and simple. I’d also like to see Chris Copeland play more. He is a good scorer, not a bad defender, and can help out. He was April’s rookie of the month. He went 2/3 from downtown and had 6 points in like 8 minutes. It wont hurt with the offense so stagnant as of late. Its all an effort issue. JR needs to start attacking the rim more often, when he can draw fouls it helps the offense tremendously. But at the same time, if Hibbert keeps getting 5 blocks a game in the series that may not be the greatest idea. I think if the Knicks put forth the effort needed they can win in 7, but nothing is guaranteed. The Pacers are a tough team, and the defense is suffocating. Just hoping the Knicks make it a series and dont just roll over.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 6, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      FINALLY! An intelligent…thought provoking Knicks fan who actually tries to post solutions to N.Y.’s issues/problems as opposed to fabricating excuses.
      Great post Dorian. Good luck the rest of the way!

      Lifelong Indiana Pacers fan

  14. eboneseagles - May 6, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    You gotta believe the knicks will win a game in Indy and win tomorrow, all these people talking sweep and how the series is over are idiots.

    • danfrommv - May 6, 2013 at 5:16 PM

      I don’t think the Pacers will sweep. But the Pacers have the defense to give the Knicks problems, and if the Knicks do win a game at Indy, there is no reason why the Pacers can’t win another in NY.

      I don’t think the Knicks are that much better than the Pacers, and now the Pacers have swung home court advantage to their side. This from an NBA fan who doesn’t have a dog in this fight.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - May 6, 2013 at 5:57 PM

      Knicks in 6 like I said. Didn’t say WHICH 6. But don’t you just love it when people act like the series is over already, eboneseagles? LMFAO

      • andyhr17 - May 7, 2013 at 5:33 AM

        But if it’s not Knicks in 6, you can just blame it on the officiating and then you’re off the hook.

  15. danfrommv - May 6, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    If your a fan of hardworking teams that give effort, then the Pacers should be the team you are rooting for. Most of the Knicks are too involved with image. If the rosters were swapped, the NY media would be fawning all over the Pacer-roster Knicks.

  16. eboneseagles - May 6, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Pacers fans need to tend to their cattle so their arena may be empty for game 3.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 7, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      Eboner isn’t helping your cause Knicks fans!
      THIS is precisely why everyone hates New York.
      Eboner: Please know “people” like you (and your ilk) are what makes kicking your respective asses that much sweeter.

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