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Kobe will be back, but what do Lakers do this summer now?

Apr 13, 2013, 11:02 AM EDT

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Kobe Bryant isn’t going to let his career end this way, limping off the court with a torn Achilles tendon.

It is going to end on his terns. He would not allow it to be any other way. He will be back. An hour after he limped off the court he was telling the media exactly that.

“I know I can do this,” Bryant said. “It’s fueling me. It’s fueling me. I can feel it already.”

As for when he’ll be back, it will be some time next season (we’ll have a better idea after his surgery but to get a full range of motion and leg strength back on these injuries often takes a year). He’ll almost certainly miss games — and at his age him returning to his current level of play seems unlikely — but you know he’ll be diligent about his recovery. He’ll be back. And when he’s back he’ll be good.

But what do the Lakers do this summer to prepare for next season?

Pretty much what they were already going to do. They don’t have a lot of other options.

First, re-sign Dwight Howard. He’s still the future. He’s still the man you build around for the post-Kobe era, it’s just now that era will include part of next season. The Lakers will offer him a max contract, you can expect him to sign it.

Next, they need to decide what kind of team they will be, what kind of system they will run. Coach Mike D’Antoni came in with how he wanted to play but the Lakers have largely modified away from that as it was clear the personnel on the roster didn’t fit that style. To D’Antoni’s credit they have gotten away from some of what he wanted to do and they run “horns” and some traditional NBA sets in there. With Kobe out do they go to a system that is a lot of Steve Nash with the ball in his hands, running the pick-and-roll with Howard?

This summer Lakers management has to decide what kind of team they want to be, how to tweak the roster to fit that ideal.

The problem is with a max Howard deal in place the Lakers remain hamstrung in trying to reshape the roster because they are so far over the luxury tax line — they are expected to have a payroll in the $100 million range, which under the new system would mean $85 million in taxes on top of it. Kobe alone will make $30 million next season. Even for the Lakers deep pockets with their rich cable deal that is a steep, steep price. It limits the trades they can make and they can only sign free agents for the veteran minimum.

The Lakers however, need to get more athletic on the wings with better defense on the perimeter (particularly while Kobe is out) and they need better depth at the point guard because Steve Blake functions okay as a shooter when Kobe is the ball handler but they now need better ball handlers to play when Steve Nash is sits/is out.

If you’re thinking trade, what do the Lakers have to trade that other teams want? Look at their rotation from Friday night outside Kobe/Howard (and Nash, who they would not move): Steve Blake, Earl Clark (who is a free agent this summer), Metta World Peace, Jodie Meeks and Antawn Jamison. On the bench there is Chris Duhon, Devin Ebanks and Jordan Hill and Darius Morris.

There is nothing there you can trade for any real value because those are not players other teams want.

Then there is Pau Gasol.

The Lakers may not move him, they aren’t going to just ship him out for a lowball offer (which is why he wasn’t traded at the deadline). But he is the one player there will be interest in — he has a steep $19 million price tag but it’s the last season of his deal and he is still a very effective scorer in the post. Gasol could help a lot of teams.

What the Lakers will not take back in a deal is long-term contracts — right now the only guys on the books for the summer of 2014 are Steve Nash (for one more year) and the new Dwight Howard deal that would be signed in the summer. The Lakers will reshape the roster in a major way that summer.

And that likely will include Kobe — he wants this to end on his terms. That might mean a season or two after his current deal ends where he can play and show how he came back and could still play at a high level. Kobe would take a steep discount (ala Tim Duncan/Kevin Garnett) to be part of this reworked Lakers roster.

This was all pretty much the plan when Kobe was healthy. It doesn’t change much. But the Lakers could feel very different next season.

  1. rickeydynamite25 - Apr 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    First thing that needs to be done is for Kobe to get rid of the Low-top sneakers. They look good but I always feared he’d get hurt in those shoes. Get well Kobe!

    • fredagsedb - Apr 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      Yes and he shouldn’t switch to Adidas cus then he’ll tear his ACL like Rose and Shumpert last playoffs. Come on man. Half the league are playing in low-tops. Kobe has been playing in them for like 5 years. Why would a brand develop shoes that increases the chances of injury for one of their biggest poster boys?

      • badintent - Apr 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

        They don’t care what happens to Kobe as long as they’ve sold 20 million units. It’s called “next piece of meat” Jocks are like ants to them. step on some, always plenty more. Just ask Bo Jackson about that after he torn up his hip and had to pack it in.Nike cancelled his contract faster than a ………………Bo Jackson stolen base.
        Low tops are great ………………. for children under the age of 11.Ask any doctor

    • contra1987nes - Apr 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      wear and tear combined with father time = serious injury. it had to happen sooner than later.

    • florida727 - Apr 15, 2013 at 3:16 PM

      I was wearing high-top shoes WITH lace-up ankles braces when I torn my Achilles. The shoes had absolutely nothing to do with his injury. Recovery is long and slow (6-8 weeks in a walking booth at least), and when you really think you’re all the way back, you’re still about 3-4 months away. To rehab mine I rode a bike, working my way up to 100 miles per week. Heck, he’ll do that every day, but the point being, it takes a lot to get back to walking normal, let alone be a world-class athlete that runs and jumps. Good luck, Kobe.

  2. spthegr8 - Apr 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    I’ll tell you what we do. PRAY, PRAY & PRAY harder that he is back and in shape by playoffs next year. Don’t wanna rush him back but he is gonna need some reg season games too knock the rust off and get back in a rhythm with everybody else. Now D12 and Pau HAVE TOO BE DOMINANT!!! & they can be. What worries me is can D’Antoni find a way too use Both of them correctly. Not too mention I expect D12 too be the old D12 next year. Always take @ least a year too fully comeback from any major surgery. Unless your name is Adrian Peterson!

    • deavn - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      Fine, but not everyone believes in a god of some sort. And you can’t rush someone back from a torn Achilles injury. That’s almost as bad as an ACL injury if not worse. The only thing the Lakers can do at this point is try to sign someone who can score and make other moves to keep the Lakers in competition until Kobe comes back. If he even comes back next season.

      • badintent - Apr 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

        You’re right about that injury. Takes 12 months to come back . Al Gore torn up his Achilles playing hoops at the White house, he got permanent Global Warming on the Brain syndrome and was never the same … but a heck of a lot richer starting environmental solar and wind companies.

  3. dalucks - Apr 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    The Lakers should scrap and rebuild. Dwight Howard is a dud and he should be traded to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks and one 1st round pick to start the rebuild process. Dwight Howard cannot be the Lakers the 8th seed in the West so why give him a max deal. That sounds like a waste of money to me.
    Trade Pau Gasol to Minnesota for Kevin Love and a 1st round draft pick in 2013. Pau’s play is declining and holding on to him is as useless as giving Dwight Howard a max contract.
    Trade Steve Nash to Toronto for Kyle Lowery and a 1st round draft pick in 2014. Acquiring Nash was a mistake so their is not need of holding onto him.
    Fire Mike D’Antioni and hire Byron Scott to be the head coach. Have Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Cooper and Paul Pressey as assistant coach. This staff will teach defense unlike D’Antioni.
    Trade Antwan Jamison to Charlotte for Jeff Taylor. This move makes the Lakers younger and more athletic.
    Amnesty Kobe Bryant’s contract as he will not play next season. He will need a year to rehab his achilles so there is not need to rush his recovery. The Lakers can resign him in 2015 when he is eligible to return to the team. This also allows the Lakers to avoid the luxury tax.
    Trade Steve Blake to Utah for Jamal Tinsley. Blake is too slow and he is a defensive liability.
    Resign Earl Clark but do not overpay.
    Get rid of Jordan Hill, Robert Scarce, Darius Morris, Devin Ebanks and Chris Duhon. Expiring contracts should get a second round pick.
    Sign Lamar Odom and Al Harrington in free agency to 1 year contract.
    Atleast if you are going to compete for the 8th seed, get younger and create some salary cap flexibility.

    • Kurt Helin - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM

      You realize, of course, none of that would happen. I love the way some Lakers fans think Minnesota will trade Kevin Love. That is beyond ridiculous.

      • eventhorizon04 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        Not only will the Lakers supposedly get Kevin Love (in his prime) in exchange for Pau Gasol (past his prime), but the Lakers are also supposed to get a first round pick too in this scenario!

        I’m surprised he didn’t suggest the Lakers get some cash considerations back as well.

      • turdfurgerson68 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

        Thanks Kurt for finally putting Laker fan(s) in their place.

        They’re just as delusional as NY Yankee fans.

      • badintent - Apr 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        Lakers will bring Mike Brown back to coach before Love signs with Lakers. Or as Stevenson said “Till Hell freezes over “

      • sportfan2 - Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

        “beyond ridiculous”, Not so sure about that……….. over the years I’ve seen the Lakers get many good and even great players for next to nothing.

    • jimeejohnson - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

      Yours is a very well thought out…fantasy!

    • leahcima1 - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM

      This person is either 10 years old or just escaped from a nut house. He writes a post on how bad the Laker players are and then proposes trades of these bad players for all stars AND # 1 draft picks. dalucks you are a sick puppy.

      • turdfurgerson68 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

        Ha ha…”the nut house”

    • danielcp0303 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

      Funniest part of this in my opinion: “Trade Steve Blake to Utah for Jamal Tinsley. Blake is too slow and he is a defensive liability.”

      Have you seen Jamaal Tinsley play basketball in the past 3 years?

    • dannymac17 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      This is probably one of the dumbest posts i have ever SEEN.


      You just said trade a declining Pau Gasol to Minn for Kevin Love and their #1 pick.

      I cant fathom how you typed that, hit enter, kicked your feet up on the table and waited for those thumbs up to come your way

      my brain hurts reading that

    • JMClarkent - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

      You left out the “Jodie Meeks for Dwayne Wade, 200k in cash and a 2nd round pick” part.

      Someone needs to revoke your TNT privileges…

    • patfic15 - Apr 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      Wow. You know nothing about basketball. This ain’t 2k13.

    • rohlo - Apr 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      lmao trading pau to minnesota for love and a fist rd pick…. what are you smoking??? in your dreams…nobody will even trade a fisrt round pick for pau anymore, maybe a late first rd but that is it..and i doubt it,pau has fell off and is on the wrong side of 30 yrs…

    • tommyshih - Apr 14, 2013 at 2:13 AM

      I don’t know. I gave him a thumbs up for how lucid the drugs are making his hallucinations. In summary:

      In: Brook Lopez, Marshawn Brooks, Kevin Love, Kyle Lowry, Jeff Taylor, Jamaal Tinsley, Lamar Odom, Al Harrington, 3 first round picks, 5 second round picks, Byron Scott, Kareem, Michael Cooper, Paul Pressey.

      Out: Dwight Howard (who they won’t have the rights to), Pau Gasol, Steve Nash, Antwan Jamison, Kobe Bryant, Steve Blake, Jordan Hill, Robert Sacre, Darius Morris, Devin Ebanks, Chris Duhon.

      Holding down the fort: Earl Clark, Metta World Peace.

  4. randygnyc - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Reposted because its important.

    If Kobe’s legs were solid, he’d have a shot at recovering enough that he’d be able to play at the end of next year. But considering his bad knees and calf muscles, a rapid recovery is out of the question. The only remaining questions are can Kobe recover at all (good enough that his level of play would be acceptable to him) and will he want to? Both are doubtful, IMO. He won’t know what kind of team he’d be coming back to in 2015, and he’ll have to make that commitment now. Kobe had already hinted that next year might be his last. No one wants to go out like this, with an injury. This may be a bridge too far for Kobe. Mad props, none the less.

    • jimeejohnson - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

      randygnyc: thanks for contributing to the basketball blog for a change. Your baseball comments are always excellent.

    • eventhorizon04 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      2015 is 2 years from now. The projected recovery time from this injury – assuming initial reports of complete rupture is correct, is 8-12 months.

      I don’t know how you got 2015 as his return date from your calculations based on that recovery time.
      Even the late end of that timeframe has him returning during the 2014 season, and he’ll know what kind of team he’d be coming back to in 2014 – it’ll probably this team minus Pau plus a few new pieces. And he certainly can make that commitment now (it appears he’s already decided to come back).

  5. omniusprime - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Thanks Kurt for not being an idiot saying that Pau needs to be moved now, about time you wised up that Gasol can help many teams including the Lakers.

    Dumbtoni needs to go, he’s the most incompetent coach in Laker history and he’s got the wrong system for the tried and true big man ball system that has earned the Lakers so many championships. He just didn’t have the balls to tell Kobe when to sit and take a brief rest, should have done it twice before in last night’s game when Kobe injured himself earlier.

    Ancient Trash Nash and Steve Flake are the two most incompetent point guards in Laker history and the NBA, both need to be traded or fired so that the Lakers can bring in a great young point guard like Stephen Curry or Kyrie Irving. Just look at how incompetent Flake was not guarding Curry.

    I hope Kobe does get smart and does reduce his salary, especially now that he’s suffered a major injury and will never be the same superstar he has been for so long. Kobe has to realize that he needs more help, especially bench help and that means the team needs more money to invest in a great second string.

    I have every confidence that Kobe will recover from this major injury faster than anyone ever did. He’s probably making arrangements for some more of that awesome German medical science that has helped him before. I just wouldn’t be surprised if he’s in the starting lineup for the first game of next season, heck I wouldn’t put it past him to play against the Spurs. I think Dumbtoni should be fired and Kobe should coach the team the rest of the season.

    Get Well Soonest Kobe!!! Fire Dumbtoni!!! Trade Trash Nash and Steve Flake!!!

    • Kurt Helin - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM

      Did you read the post? The Lakers can’t trade him right NOW but I did say they will and should try to move him this summer. It’s the only way to reshape the roster, unless you think D’Antoni wants to go big now. Because Mike will be back.

  6. dalucks - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    I think what is truly ridiculous is keeping Dwight and signing him to a max deal to play with Pau Gasol to be a bottom feeder in the Western Conference. Competing for the 8th seed with no way to improve the roster is not an expectation of a true Laker fan.
    Why not blow it up now and get better plus create some salary cap flexibility to make 1 last run with Kobe in 2015.
    Why do people still think Dwight Howard is a franchise player? His back has limited his play, he will never be a 20 point, 12 rebound guy again.
    I guess the Lakers need to finish below .500 before people realize this roster lacks talent.
    Go ahead a play the luxury tax for a non playoff team. Now that is beyond stupid but some Laker fans are as clueless as Mitch Kupchak.

    • eventhorizon04 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      ” Now that is beyond stupid but some Laker fans are as clueless as Mitch Kupchak.”

      This coming from a guy who suggested that the Lakers could trade Pau Gasol to the Timberwolves not only for Kevin Love, but also get a first round pick in return.

    • rohlo - Apr 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

      the team that did it effectively by blowing it up cause they were only a 8/9 seed was the houston rockets..they traded assets for picks getting 3 first rounders then parlayed kevin martin and 1st rounder jeremy lamb and a 1st for harden… talk about quick turn around and they are the youngest team in the league likely to be the 6 seed if not 7th seed as they are.. follow the rockets gameplan!

    • bougin89 - Apr 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

      dalucks…just stop. You clearly don’t understand how trades work. Demand/leverage is key to any trade. In your post you admit that some of the players the Lakers want to trade either aren’t good or it doesn’t make sense to keep. Specifically you said Gasol is declining and you mentioned Nash was a mistake. Other teams know this, they won’t just give up the farm for these guys based on their name. You do the entire Laker fanbase a big disservice with posts like this.

  7. money2long - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    talk of amnestying kobe’s 30 mil is surfacing.
    players still get their money, but it will not count toward the team’s cap.
    the thing here is, the lakers can’t resign him for the remainder of his contract.
    another thing here is, kobe’s contract runs out this summer.
    however, if kobe plans on coming back mid season, or late season followed by a post season run, amnestying him would not be a course of action to take.
    kobe would have to mutually agree, as a sign of respect.
    the key here, is how his rehab is going this summer.
    the lakers, if his salary is off the books, can be players in free agency.

    • 00maltliquor - Apr 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

      *correction: next summer

      I know that’s what you meant. Now to where you are going with this…..

      That is the craziest sheet I have heard, but something like that JUST…MIGHT…WORK.

      He only has the next years 2013-14 left on his gargantuan (though well deserved) contract. That’s over half the cap.

      This injury may keep him out till close to this time, next year. Might as well really rest up and rehab. Although he’s not getting any younger, what good is it to come back and try to re-intergrate yourself with a team that isn’t used to such a dominate force like Kobe for the whole season. It would mess a lil’ with chemistry, ball movement, etc. etc.

      So if he just takes the year off, cashes in his check still since you still get paid if amnestied (obviously Kobe, Mitch and Jim would all have to meet and come to an agreement so there is a clear understanding as to what exactly is going on) and comes back to resign and finish his career the way he should, this would save the Lakers Mega-Millions, probably will put the team in a better position, since, what good is paying half the cap to a guy who can’t play and still have the highest payroll in the league just to scrap for a playoff birth.

      I hear you money2, it’s crazy a eff, but you may be onto something.

      God….I hate that I’m even typing this whole scenario out! Uuggh!! Kobe come back!/ you can blame it all…on…me/ I was wrong, and I just cant live without yooou/

      • money2long - Apr 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        thx for catching my mistake malt
        and yea, the lakers got some thinking to do
        decisions , decisions …

      • bougin89 - Apr 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM

        Their would be several teams that would at least bid on Kobe through the amnesty process. The highest bidder would get Kobe’s rights. If Kobe didn’t show up/play for them they would still have his rights. Think of the Billups and the clippers. Do you think Mark Cuban wouldn’t at least put a bid of $4ish million just to stick it to the Lakers? Even if Kobe never suited up for the Mavs it would be worth it for Cuban/Mavs just so they own Kobe’s contractual rights.

    • rohlo - Apr 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM

      can you amnesty a player who is injured while playing and is currently injured???? per union

  8. ranoversquarells - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Apparently dalucks is been hitting the bong a little too much …

  9. dalucks - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Keep Pau and Dwight as the Lakers become a non-playoff team.
    I thought the Lakers played for championships and not playoff berths. I am from the generation where making the playoffs was a given, not a hope for a good season.
    Keep Steve Nash and Steve Blake so every point guard can have a career night against LA. Oh yeah, Dwight will help defensively. Not with his bad back plus D’Antioni does not coach defense.
    Enjoy your 40 wins seasons but that is not a Laker fan, that is the thought of a Clipper fan.

  10. turdfurgerson68 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Ha ha, Laker Land in disarray..the rest of the NBA is loving .

    And to hear arrogant and entitled Laker fans talking about hoping to secure tge 8th seed??? While da Clippers just won da Pacific??

    Awesome…simply awesome.

  11. progress2011 - Apr 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    At his age…playing the ENTIRE game…not allowing his old body to properly rest…..WHAT DO YOU EXPECT !!!

    D12 should tell him, his same advice “Suck it up-Play thru the pain” …..ahahahahahah

    GROW UP and stop making stoopid comments……….KARMA is an ‘ITCH !

  12. lakerade - Apr 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Still devastated this morning, can’t imagine how Bean’s feeling, yet given his track record he’s probably already taken to beating this latest challenge.

    Any chance Kobe restructures his contract this summer? Can he spread the $30 mil plus more over 3-4 yrs? Or does he HAVE to be paid $30 mil next year? Not to say he would or even should, but maybe since he’ll be rehabbing he’ll see it as a chance to allow the Lakers room to rebuild early. Then again, $30 mil maybe lets Kobe know where to aim in terms of coming back as he’s always been worth the money, not just collecting a paycheck.

    I don’t know, just praying for the guy, whatever happens the rest of this season is gravy. Hopefully Dwight has it in him to step up and lead, that would make for a nice consolation prize and give hope for next year. Win for Kobe!

    • bougin89 - Apr 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

      No he won’t reduce his salary next year. The NBA’s player union wouldn’t allow that. The Lakers can amnesty him to save paying the luxury tax on it but that is extremely unlikely. I would only see amnestying Kobe as an option if Kobe changed his mind and decided to retire which if I had to put a percentage on that happening I would say it’s about .01%.

  13. dangernearing - Apr 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Crappy article.

  14. contra1987nes - Apr 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    talent, will, drive – call them what you will – apparently nothing is a match for father time. it wins every single time. just look at derek jeter, michael jordan, etc. past has-beens brought down by the old man.

  15. bigwii - Apr 13, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    I love listening to Laker fans talk about completely unrealistic and ridiculous trades. They can’t rip people off forever this is just laughable.

    I mean Nash for Lowry AND a 1st rounder if that were the case than he would of already been traded. And, Pau for Love AND a first rounder that’s even more ridiculous. I mean come on can you really say that with a straight face.

    They ripped off Memphis for Pau you think anyone GM worth anything would do that deal. I mean if they did they would get fired on the spot.

    The Lakers are in a bad spot and its not that easy they have up picks and young players for too long you can’t do it forever. Eventually you have to do the inevitable.

    I’m not saying they will be bad next year but they won’t be a serious contender maybe the year after but not next year, they are really over the cap and need to work on that next year it won’t be easy.

    No one wants Pau and his huge contract. No one wants grandpa Nash and his no defense. Oh how the mighty fall hahahahahahahahaha.

    Hope Kobe gets better though he’s a great player and he’s fun to watch I can’t picture the Lakers without him. As a Celtics fan I can’t say in too sorry though.

  16. lakermetskins - Apr 13, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    The reason we Laker fan seems so arrogant is because we always figure a way to make things right. We generally get the best deals in trades, we always are the talk of the league, and haven’t you heard, we always make the playoffs- 59 playoffs appearances in 65 years of existance! That’s sick! No team is as consistent – Not the Yankees, not the Patriots, not the Celtics, not even Manchester United!

    We expect good things and settle for nothing less as a franchise.

    Lebron’s contract will be up just as Kobe departs ya know.

    • turdfurgerson68 - Apr 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      good points you make…BUT,

      You forgot to mention how the Boston Celtics have won MORE championships than the Lakers…MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

  17. bigwii - Apr 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    Haha this guy. We know this but they’re not going to dupe people on those dumb trades. They’re ridiculous I mean if those GMs did that trade they will get fired.

    Your wrong the Celtics other than the late 90s and early 2000s have been better than your Lakers. They win 8 championships in a row, and have one more banner than LA.

    So chill on all that plus I hate the Yankees but they actually are always there this year not so much but aren’t the Lakers in a tough spot too. And the Pats are in it every year too so chill on that.

    I know it sucks knowing next years uncertainty with Dwight and the cap issues along with Kobe but if it helps Laker fans sleep lying to themselves that they can get Love or Lowry that easy than go ahead.

    I mean they’re old, overpaid, and cap-strapped even if they wanted Baby Bron-Bron they would have to somehow dump all that salary and news flash no one wants Nash or Pau. They also have no picks because they go all in every year.

    It makes me laugh because even my Celtics are in a way better spot right now. We have Rondo for cheap, Bradley, Green, Sully, and our picks haha. Just saying LA has their work cut out for them I’d be mad too. No need to get all crazy and attack everyone else.

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