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Heat not worried about Knicks if they meet in playoffs

Apr 3, 2013, 11:10 AM EDT

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The New York Knicks have won three of four games when they have faced the Miami Heat this season. On Tuesday night, an on-fire Carmelo Anthony dropped 50 on Miami (and didn’t get one of those buckets in the paint, it was all jumpers).

It gives Knicks fans hope — trust me, some of them are more than happy to tell me on twitter how they can knock off Miami in the playoffs. New York faced more injuries this season, including not having Anthony for one of those Knicks games. They have confidence against the Knicks.

The Heat, they are not so worried.

Chris Bosh summed it up speaking with the New York Times.

“Everybody has confidence against us until we take it away,” said Bosh, who led the Heat with 23 points. “They’re a good team.” He added of the playoffs, “They can feel like they have a chance, but I like our chances.”

Sorry to say this Knicks fans, but regular season matchups are a poor predictor of postseason outcomes. Especially early season meetings. You can find plenty of evidence of this from just the last couple seasons. Teams change, teams evolve over the course of the season — the Heat team that coasted through the first half of the year is not the one from the 27-game win streak. Both teams are rested, lineups are set and matchups get more focus. The physicality and intensity are different.

The Knicks can take some confidence from these regular season wins — it can and should give them a belief they can do it. But in a seven game series, I’ll still take the Heat. In five.

  1. eboneseagles - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    In five?

    • Kurt Helin - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      My opinion, yes.

      • badintent - Apr 4, 2013 at 12:41 AM

        Kurt , you live on the West coast , and go to Laker games(if you can call them that this year).Please do EVERYONE a favor on the East Coast and stay out of our biz.You know little about the real makeup of the Knicks and less about how they were going to fare based on your pre-season predictions. If I were you, I’d been far more concerned about the beatdown Lakers will get from Spurs or Thunder in first round.

    • miamatt - Apr 3, 2013 at 8:18 PM

      Five is about right. I’d bet on a sweep before I’d bet on it going six.

    • coachcook718 - Apr 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM

      I love the way heat fans act like its a foregone conclusion that theyre gonna win it all again! Different team, Different year……KNICKS!!!!!!!!

      Dont let that bs streak gas u HEAT fans up…..ya got a lot of help during that streak!!!!!

      The KNICKS arent afraid of Miami……LEGGO KNICKS!!!!!!

  2. reesesteel23 - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    “Everybody has confidence against us until we take it away”

    Ouch. True though.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      Not true at all.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      You hear it from the mouths of Felton and others that they are not in the least scared or intimidated by Miami, and have proven it all season. Not sure why you think this quote by Jake Bosh applies to the Knicks. Maybe the NETS AND PACERS, but the Knicks and Celtics definitely aren’t buying it.

      • pantsfreezone - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM

        They don’t have to buy it. The facts are the facts and only delusional fans of the Knicks and Celtics believe their teams have a better than 5% chance to win a 7 game series against Miami.

        The Pacers are the only team in the Eastern Conference that has more than a 1 in 4 chance of upsetting Miami in a Game 7. Especially since Miami has home court advantage and they simply don’t lose at home unless they play Norris Cole for 43 minutes.

      • miamatt - Apr 3, 2013 at 8:21 PM

        “take it away” = send the Knicks on early vacation, whether they are confident or not.

        I can’t wait to see TNT’s “gone fishin'” Knicks edition this year.

    • paleihe - Apr 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      Like Mike Tyson said, “Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth.”

  3. cantonbound13 - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    I’m surprised you didn’t say Heat in 4.

  4. creek0512 - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Heat know the Knicks won’t get past the Pacers, so why worry about the Knicks when the Pacers are the real threat.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      The Pacers have to actually win their series and score more than 76 PPG (which they will struggle to do if they draw the Nets or Bulls) for your little scenario to occur.

      Heat fans kill me. Know full well the Knicks are best designed to beat the Heat. That’s why they chirp so much. They’re worried.

      • heat256 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:50 PM

        Worry about the Knicks?!?!? HAHAHA!!!! Why? When their three pointers don’t fall, and Melo goes into iso-hero ball mode, they are toast. Stat can’t be counted on regularly anymore, and neither can JR Smith. They can play some D I’ll grant you, but I’d take the Heat in 5 or 6 every time.

  5. 1972wasalongtimeago - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Anyone else posting comments and having them not show up?

    I actually thought the Heat played great last night. Very proud. I also thought the Knicks played very well and Carmelo was ridiculous. When 43.5% shooter, who always takes a ton of shots, takes a ton of shots and makes 70% of them you can’t do much except wait for the next game when he goes 7 for 30.

    With the role players playing as well as they have against the #1 seed in the West and #2 seed in the East these past two games, I like our chances in playoff series too.

    Anyone else think Spike Lee is just a little to old to dress and act like such a fool? Have some dignity dude. It was just a bad pass.

  6. mojo2028 - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Heat in 5?!? No way. They beat the Knicks in 5 last year and the Knicks are a much improved squad. But I can understand the bias. Most people think nobody can beat the Heat since they went on the winning streak. Just to note, winning streaks in the regular season don’t always translate into championships. Heat should always be careful about being overconfident.

    Oh and btw, the Knicks are on their own little winning streak.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      Matchups matter in basketball. That DOES translate into the playoffs. You can try to separate the “Any given night” aspect of the regular season and say “grind out playoff series are different”, but the Knicks are constructed to beat the Heat matchup wise, and that WON’T change.

      • pantsfreezone - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

        Patrick Ewing isn’t walking through that door. You are one of the least interesting posters on PBT because your arguments are completely flawed.

        How are the Knicks constructed to beat the Heat? Steve Novak is going to shut down Juwan Howard? The Knicks are built to make it to the second round IF they are hitting their shots. If not, Boston is going to take them out.

      • deeznutzinyamouth - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:33 PM

        I will fcking skull fck you, you little fcking Knicks fairy!!!

  7. grammasite - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    You’re seriously using the “physicality” argument against the Knicks? Who do the Heat have that will stand up to Kenyon Martin or Rasheed Wallace? Birdman? Rashard Lewis?

    If you’re using physicality as an argument, I think you go with the team who has the crazy old guys, rather than the team whose superstar bitches about Kirk Hinrich.

  8. stoudemelo - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Knicks fan checking in here.

    Yes the heat can be beat but don’t under estimate the significance of their win streak every team but 1 who has had an 18+ win streak wins the title.

    I do believe the Knicks have the tools to beat Miami and that the Heat are over confident. The Knicks have beat the heat in any circumstance this season. With Melo, with out him, with out Lebron.

    Any other team would crumble if they had to deal with the injuries the Knicks did.

    The Knicks are dangerous and Heat fans are foolish if they think they are going to steam roll them.

    • dysraw1 - Apr 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      couldn’t say it better

  9. kpatrick51 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Kurt, how many times can you write the exact same article? Can’t wait to read tomorrow about how Miami will destroy the Knicks in 5!

  10. Mr. Wright 212 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    They’re not? They should be.

  11. m3dman3 - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    That Heat streak means nothing in the playoffs. FYI. The Heat fans were nowhere to be found until Lebron and Bosh went there, now the bangwagoners are all over the place it’s sick. I hope the Bucks oust them in the first round.

  12. 4thquartermagic - Apr 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Took the Knicks 11 years just to win ONE playoff game. They should win more then that this year because the East is garbage.

    But if the Knicks think they’d win more then one garbage/gimmie game against the Heat, they’re crazy.

    • ansum67 - Apr 6, 2013 at 12:16 PM

      Everyone just under estimates the knicks. They have the best all around scorer in the nba. People always saythat the knicks can only take jump shots… Have you watched JR lately? He hasn’t been taking as many jumpers. He’s penetrating and scoring. Did you watch Melo score 40 without taking one 3 pointer? And Felton and Chandler on the pick and roll are unstoppable. They have so many weapons and when they are moving the ball, they are impossible to defend. They play great defense when they need to and their d will just get stronger in the playoffs. And don’t say that Lebron can lock down Melo. Melo can post up, shoot and drive.

  13. hartdaddy - Apr 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    D’Awwwww…Chris Bosh still thinks he’s a relevant member of the Miami Heat. That’s so cute.

    • paleihe - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM

      He’s averaging 17 & 7 while shooting over 50%.

      He’s beyond relevant.

  14. jetstizzi85 - Apr 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    What do you expect Bosh to say? He plays for the Heat so of course he will say those things.

    The Knicks are hot right now and so close to the playoffs that should carry over into the playoffs. They match up very weel against Miami and in a 7 game series this year – it would be much closer and harder than Heat fans are giving credit for.

    Knicks have had to overcome a lot of injuries this season and most teams couldnt accompolish what they did given the injuries. They are the #2 team in the East for a reason not by accident.

  15. rickyspanish - Apr 3, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Mr. Wright 212

    Heat fans are chirping too much? Look at all your comments. You seem to be pretty chirpy.

  16. money2long - Apr 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    this heat group shouldn’t be talking like they’ve won for years. i dunno, the way they carry themselves, you’d think they were a dynasty. the heat have won one year. and listen, im not hater of the heat. no one here has seen me write one negative, smart ass comment about them ever. but, has anyone else noticed that swag they try to exuberate? like they’ve already won 3 in a row or something? i understand champions are supposed to have confidence, but bosh’s comment for instance of, ‘everyone has confidence til we take it away’, cmon man. the mavs took yours away after game 3 in the 2011 finals. you come back and win the next season. yea, now go out and show you can do it again.

  17. midnight300 - Apr 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Reblogged this on midnight300's Blog and commented:
    Trust and believe, if the Knicks can play smart and discipline basketball they will give The heat some problems. I’ll give a 50/50 chance in a game 7.
    And I mean discipline like not taking a 3 point shot in transition just because they think they’re hot instead of going to the basket, fouling on the defensive/offensive end just because they think they got fouled and there was no call and stopping at the end of a offensive play/drive to complain about getting foul instead of running back on defence. If they can stop all of that will be in good shape.

  18. justfacts101 - Apr 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Is it just me or did no one see what the Heat bench did against the Knicks last night? By putting Bosh in the perimeter that opens up the lane as chandler has to follow bosh. The heat scored more points in the paint with Allen and miller than the whole Knicks team. What do you think will happen when LBJ and wade are in there and you guys actually double? Melo went off last night there is no doubt about it but he always kills Battier. It’ll be different when #6 is guarding him in the 4th quarter. Heat in 5 sounds about right

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:38 PM

      Doesn’t work that way. You recliner coaches embarrass yourselves.

  19. deeznutzinyamouth - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Funny, Knicks fans are complaining about Heat fans and the Heat player’s talking trash. All I’ve seen from the Knicks and their fans and players is trash talk. Good job winning the season series, but come playoff time, those three wins won’t mean jack $hit.

    If the Knicks face the Heat in the playoffs and lose, you can bet the excuses will be flying from the Knicks and their fans. “Oh, the refs favor the Heat.” “No one was a Heat fan until 2010.”

  20. rodge1 - Apr 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM


  21. damp1015 - Apr 3, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Knicks fan here….
    Regardless of whether you are a Knicks fan or a Heat fan, credit the Knicks for what they have done for the year with a injury plagued roster. As well as credit the Heat for their 27 game streak. All bulls**t aside both teams are looking forward to meeting in the playoffs, both teams have confidence and have momentum going in the playoffs.

    Now to a 7 game series between them…..
    If anyone whether you’re a fan of either even think this will not go a full 7, well I don’t think you watch enough basketball to understand that. If the Knicks have their full roster, they can and will challenge the Heat and can beat them. Pacers beat the Heat with physical defense, the Knicks can do that given Wallace returns along with Chandler & Martin. Knicks can play the inside/out game as well as anyone which the Heat struggle with defending.
    Lebron James is going to handle his no matter what, as far as Wade, well it will yet to be seen because he’s not always on like Lebron. For the Heat to win it will take all 3, James, Wade & Bosh rolling with Battier, Allen, etc putting in work. This is not ending in 5, that was last year when Shumpert went down, Amar’e was down, Baron running point and so forth.

    Ending, don’t discredit my Knicks just because of past occurences. Only time will tell the full truth, but I look forward to seeing the Heat in the playoffs. Great basketball!!!!

    • midnight300 - Apr 4, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      I second that… That’s what I been telling people all season long. Last year we also had to rely Landry feilds tony Douglas Jarrett Jeffries along with injury prone davis. This season we have a much better approved stat, Jr, and melo. And way better point gaurds, alongside of some good veterin leadership. And if someone gets into foul trouble a very nice deep bench in cooplin, white and prigioni.

  22. jghouse69 - Apr 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM


    • damnyankee13 - Apr 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM

      Ummmmm, I do believe this will be a 7 game series. Ok, heat win the first 3 the the knicks sweep.

  23. bbk1000 - Apr 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    I’m thinking Brittney Griner would actually contribute more to the Heat than Bosh has….Bosh is a joke…Griner is tougher without doubt…

  24. jrossdininginc - Apr 3, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    I am a basketball fan first so therefore I talk true to the game, Miami Heat is my team I date back to 1988 when the Miami Heat came into existence, OK first I will say that the New York Knicks do have a great team for perimeter game they play good defense in spurts but they only have two primary scores and that’s Carmelo Anthony and JR Smith now they have beat us by shooting jumpers and hitting 3 pointers,the games that they have won but if you look at the game in the playoffs you cannot shoot jumpers and win an NBA championship there has never been a jump shooting team to win an NBA title you have to have some type of Post Presence because once again the game slows down and again that responsibility falls upon Carmelo Anthony maybe JR Smith but when you need to get points okay and your jumpshot is not falling where will the game and the points come from, so therefore Miami has a much better chance of beating them amore balanced attack in a 7 game series, then New York would have no chance beating Miami. 2005- 6 Phoenix Suns had the best jump shooting team that I’ve ever seen a good scoring attack quicker than anyone could ever recover on defense and made it nowhere if anyone can remember that team…. Carmelo will get his points if it takes 30 shots to get 39 getting have the point when playing Miami you have Bosh Wade and James splitting 70 plus points okay that’s a more even balance attack when it comes to scoringJR Smith was the closest thing to Carmeloo when scoring. I just don’t see the chance or opportunity beating Miami.

  25. eflem80 - Apr 4, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    Damp1018’s post is the only thing i read here (including Kurt’s column) that made any logical sense. If the Knicks are healthy….& that’s a big if….they will beat the Heat in 6 or 7. This team was built for the playoffs & even more specifically to beat the Heat…..just watch.

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