Comments on: LeBron says rings alone don’t define a player’s career

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:05:57 +0000

You are right.

By: Kurt Helin

Kurt Helin — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:01:25 +0000

I hate the LeBron couldn’t win it on his own crap because nobody won it on their own. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman and the best Euro of his day. Magic had Kareem and Worthy. Bird had McHale and Parrish. How many HOFers are on the 60s Celtics? And Kobe had Shaq and Gasol. NOBODY wins it alone. You can hate LeBron for leaving Cleveland but spare me the “he needed help to win” is an insult because everyone needed help to win.

By: Kurt Helin

Kurt Helin — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:55:25 +0000

Then you agree with my point — the Lakers rookie year they won 56 games. And Kobe was getting 15 minutes a night. That was a good team with Shaq, Eddie Jones, Horry, it just needed to get deeper and come together. The Cavs when Lebron got there were in much worse shape. That is a fact.

By: trimaster1

trimaster1 — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:39:05 +0000

Kobe is near the end of his career. Lebron is just now entering his prime. I could see if they were the exact age and entered the league at the exact same time, but they didn’t.

It’s best to wait until the end of Lebron’s career to have this debate.

By: rg3isvictory

rg3isvictory — Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:31:37 +0000

Or said ” I agree”. Then everybody, including Jordan know that he understand that he needs at least 5 titles for accurate comparison!!! He takes the high road while also stating his understanding of what it will take to truly be the King. A Champions mindset. Plus, nobody made him call his shot of 7 or 8 Championships. Anything less each year is a total failure on his and the Heats part and he needs to understand that he put that weight on his own shoulders and now needs to carry it.

By: rg3isvictory

rg3isvictory — Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:24:49 +0000

To say its too early to compare Lebron vs Jordan is to give partial creditbility to an absurd argument. Unfortunately there is always somebody in the media looking to dethrone MJ. But there isn’t any legitimate reason for there to be a Lebron vs Jordan discussion.

Kobe vs Jordan on the other hand is the only one worth having at the moment and we all know that Kobe is never going to get the nod over Jordan. He’ll always be 2nd best, A close 2nd but still 2nd.

In an era where players are negotiating to create all star teams with their competition, it falls short to the Jordan era, where these guys only join forces during the Olympics and/or All-Star game.

We have started comparing players to Kobe or Lebron right? We compare them to Jordan. The Jordan who has his own era in the NBA.

Kobe and Lebron facilitate trades for other All-Star players while Jordan made those around him All-Stars.

By: cantonbound13

cantonbound13 — Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:54:32 +0000

you’d like that, wouldn’t you, perv

By: justwannawinna

justwannawinna — Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:54:37 +0000

I mean though Lebron has made a good argument, the fact still remains when he went to Miami he promised multiple rings and as the best player on the planet i think he shouldnt go back on that now.
And as for Jordan, someone get this guy away from a mic please, he was the Greatest of all time but with dumb things like this that he says now is exactly why the Bobcats dont want him coaching or in as the GM. The question was Kobe or Lebron right now? Kobe whose been trying to be as good or better than jordan has won 3 rings with the most dominant player at the time, Shaq. Two of those yes it was his team and he did show up as the best on the court.
Now at Lebrons angle. At cleveland the best player, was MVP twice and carried his team on his back with a very weak roster, something Kobes shown that he cant do( look at the two seasons after Shaq left when he demanded a trade me or get me a better team) but management refused to get him a true 2nd guy or atleast a formidable lineup so he doesnt have to do everything like what the lakers did with Kobe ( Gasol and a LONG list of players that were atleast decent) Lebron finally couldnt take anymore and left. He went to two finals since and won 1. Hes most probably on his way to 2 rings seeing as how hes just realizimg his potential and keeps getting better.

So MJ would u want presently an old and ball hog Kobe or a better passer and younger better overall Lebron?
Because if it ultimately came down to titles you would only come after the old celtics with russell.

By: 00maltliquor

00maltliquor — Sun, 17 Feb 2013 02:20:38 +0000

TWO Klan references in the comment sections in one day! Oh boy!

By: thenmoveback

thenmoveback — Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:57:29 +0000

Boy? All man here lady! The way it works is teams go through the champs, not the other way. And yes the Knicks had beat the heat twice in the regular season, obviously you dont watch the NBA, a lot of teams beat the heat in the REGULAR season, playoffs are a whole different story lady.

By: ferrisdp

ferrisdp — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 23:57:32 +0000

Hold the phone here, I’m a Knicks fan, but the Knicks have to get past the Heat. The title goes through Miami my friend.

By: 132ave

132ave — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:58:24 +0000

Yeah, if my aunt had balls shed be my uncle.

By: asublimeday

asublimeday — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:55:43 +0000

Someone is confused with what year it is. Last year is over. And the Heat have not beaten the Knicks this year. So yes, they still need to get past the Knicks, boy.
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Lets not go around calling people “boy”. This isn’t a Klan rally.

By: cantonbound13

cantonbound13 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:36:56 +0000

Yeah, but if he didn’t take time off to play baseball he easily could have won 8 in a row.

By: cantonbound13

cantonbound13 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:34:58 +0000

Don’t you think we should wait to label him one of the all time greats after he wins at least 4 rings? If he does that then it is fair to give him that label. What ever happened to earning respect? I guess Chauncey Billups must be one of the all time great point guards, he won a ring.

By: montanecap

montanecap — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:32:42 +0000

Anyone who plays basketball knows that LeBron is an all around great player, and Kobe is just a scorer, by his own admission. LeBron can score, he is a gifted passer, he is a strong defender, and he makes the players around him better. Kobe can’t win unless everyone around him is also playing exceptionally well, as witnessed by what’s happening this year.

By: cantonbound13

cantonbound13 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:30:49 +0000

^that’s funny

By: cantonbound13

cantonbound13 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:28:22 +0000

When you want to compare yourself with the all time greats, championships are the difference.
Jordan- 6 rings
Magic- 5 rings
Kareem- 6 rings
Kobe- 5 rings
Larry Bird- 4 rings

By: montanecap

montanecap — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:26:16 +0000

LeBron shouldn’t feel badly. He needs to look no farther than MJ’s team to see how badly MJ judges talent. If MJ thinks you are good, you should worry.

By: aboogy123456

aboogy123456 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:24:35 +0000

the finals is only one series out of the 4 that were needed for the lakers to win it all. Shaq was great, but just because he won the finals MVP in 2002 does not mean he was more important than kobe that year. They played the bs nets who had no big men, so obviously the gameplan was go to shaq as much as possible. It’s not like the Nets were the second best team in the league that year, just a bad argument by you.

By: kerbyjr1

kerbyjr1 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:20:08 +0000

It’s not about the rings so why run your ass to south beach to get one

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:11:24 +0000

Someone is confused with what year it is. Last year is over. And the Heat have not beaten the Knicks this year. So yes, they still need to get past the Knicks, boy.

By: thenmoveback

thenmoveback — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:05:02 +0000

Miami has to get past the Knicks? Someone is confused on who the champs are! Go HEAT!!!

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:45:51 +0000

Miami still has to get past the Knicks.

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:44:35 +0000

lmao I don’t think anyone disagrees.

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:43:46 +0000

Sure. I won’t disagree there. Just correcting Kurt and his intentional misstatement of the facts.

By: gofishus

gofishus — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:55:04 +0000

Rings are not the only measure, and neither are MVPs. If Rings were the only measure, then Bill Russell would be the GOAT. If MVPs were the only measure, then Kareem Abdul Jabbar would be the greatest ever. However, Michael Jordan has that combination of Rings, MVPs, Finals MVPs, dominance, and impact that no other player can match. Its everything put together.

By: doctorfootball

doctorfootball — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:41:48 +0000

“rings don’t always define someone’s career”

That’s exactly what I would expect someone who doesn’t have multiple rings to say

By: money2long

money2long — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:31:56 +0000

here is my thinking and i hope a lot of you will understand it.

lebron said what he said obviously because he felt slighted by his childhood idol picking another talent over him. lebron is only partly correct, what he said is logically comprehensible. he points to less talented players having more rings than far superior players.

however, to me, the ring argument should ONLY take place when looking at players in the same CLASS. follow me guys, no one should bring up the ring argument when debating darko milicic and hakeem olajuwon. one is a hall of famer who played at a superstar level. the other was bench fodder.

lebron tries to make the case of picking horry over kobe, but one is a superstar and the other a role player, a very important one, but nonetheless, a role player. we CAN NOT use the ring argument here.

the ring argument should only be used when looking at players within the same class, and we can use our discretion to determine which players belong in which class.

there are rookies, vets, all stars, perennial all stars, superstars, hall of famers and anything in between you can think of. we can use the ring argument more accurately when comparing two superstars like kobe and lebron or kobe and jordan. not kobe and horry lebron.

obviously, both guys (a superstar and a role player) had different impacts to their team and played different roles. we can compare a patrick ewing and barkley because we can safely say both can be in the same sentence at least, the same discussion. darko milicic will never be in a barkley/ewing discussion, so bring up the ring aspect makes no sense in that case.

i hope this made sense, and this is my thought process on the matter. lebron made good points, but not great ones.

By: Maxa

Maxa — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:18:08 +0000

I’d guess that people who insist on rings are the same people who still insist on the importance RBIs and pitcher wins in baseball. They still haven’t figured out how to separate team outcomes from their evaluation of individual players.